What does the Red Sox middle infield look like in 2024?

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This post took a turn LOL.

I guess I’ll just say that I wasn’t exactly envisioning handing Anderson $12m and the starting 2B job. I was more envisioning giving him a split contract with a fairly high guarantee to get him into Ft. Myers, with the understanding that we might just be paying him a couple million to rehab a la Mondesí.

If someone else offers him a starting gig, he’ll take that. But dude was the worst player in the majors last year, unwatchably bad (I know; I watched him) on both sides of the ball. A few years ago he was a plus defender with an OPS starting with .8 for several seasons. He’s not that old.
If the knee’s healthy, I’d prefer him on a one-year deal over Merrifield, and I like the guy’s energy. I don’t feel especially confident he’d be better than Urias, though, and finding out if the latter can stick could help the ‘25 team (maybe via trade).
 

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And just to add, the reason I thought we should maybe be interested in a high-ceiling flyer like Anderson at 2B is that we have, in house:

Luis Urías, a RHH 2B/3B
Ceddanne Rafaela, a RHH OF/SS
Jarren Duran, a LHH OF who was a 2B in NCAA.
Enmanuel Valdez, a LHH 2B in AAA.
Nick Yorke, a RHH first-rounder 2B who should start the season in AAA.
Marcelo Mayer, a LHH first-rounder who should start the season in AA.

That’s a lot of depth. I might be tempted to spend on pitching, bring in TA as an upside play, but assume that we’re starting with Luis Urias and Manu Valdez in a platoon until one of the prospects or rehabbers forces his way into the lineup.


Rehab from what, being a terrible player?

If he wants to sign a minor league deal and be like Brandon Phillips circa 2018, fine. But MLBTR predicts he'll be paid $12M by someone this off-season. I don't think the Red Sox need to be any part of that.
I was thinking more like a split contract that pays $2m in the minors or $6m in the majors. If he’s getting $12m guaranteed, I definitely wouldn’t want to be the one giving it to him, but who would do that?
 

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Just for something to talk about - not that I think it'll happen but...

San Diego wants to cut payroll. We could use a RHH middle infield (or corner outfield) option that could profile in as a middle of the order bat. Would anyone else hope that Breslow would at least call on Bogaerts to see what amount of salary they'd eat.

His remaining salary is roughly 10/$255m ($25.5 AAV). If that were 10/$150m, I think I'd be on board with it (less would obviously be better).

I always wanted Bogaerts being offered roughly the Story deal. Don't love the length, but if the AAV were only around $15m, the duration would be at least tolerable in my opinion. Especially if that "frees up" Mayer to pursue a true cost controlled top of the rotation ace.
 

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Just for something to talk about - not that I think it'll happen but...

San Diego wants to cut payroll. We could use a RHH middle infield (or corner outfield) option that could profile in as a middle of the order bat. Would anyone else hope that Breslow would at least call on Bogaerts to see what amount of salary they'd eat.

His remaining salary is roughly 10/$255m ($25.5 AAV). If that were 10/$150m, I think I'd be on board with it (less would obviously be better).

I always wanted Bogaerts being offered roughly the Story deal. Don't love the length, but if the AAV were only around $15m, the duration would be at least tolerable in my opinion. Especially if that "frees up" Mayer to pursue a true cost controlled top of the rotation ace.
Bogaerts has a no-trade. Do we think he waives it to come back to Boston? I tend to think no, even with the new guy at the helm. I think the only chance that Bogaerts goes anywhere is if the Pads are asking him to move off SS and there's somewhere he can go that will keep him at SS. And that ain't Boston, at least not for very long.
 

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Yeah, I knew he has the NTC. I actually almost put that in there, but didn't want to go down another "Bloom" rabbit hole.

To me, and this is anecdotal of course, he never seemed to want to leave Boston. If it was truly Bloom's plan all along to give Story the deal and let Bogaerts walk as some on here have mentioned, I could see Breslow (as a former teammate as well) being able to "blame it on Bloom" and Bogaerts might consider it with Bloom gone.
 

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It's hard to imagine a worse fit culture-wise than Tim Anderson and the city of Boston. I doubt he'd even entertain the idea of playing there.
 

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It's hard to imagine a worse fit culture-wise than Tim Anderson and the city of Boston. I doubt he'd even entertain the idea of playing there.
I was Anderson-Curious as a potential trade deadline acquisition until someone alerted me to the fact that he's been on a steady decline and is an asshole. I'd rather see Arroyo out there and I don't want him anywhere in New England even
 

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Breslow spoke on the 2B situation...

“We’re kind of comfortable with the four we have,” said Breslow. “We can attack that in a number of different ways. We’ve got some right-handed depth, some left-handed depth. But also, like everywhere else, we’re going to be open-minded about the possibilities of meaningfully upgrading that position.

“And it is no secret that we weren’t good enough on the defensive side of the ball. I think we continue to look at ways to raise the floor there.”

Presumably, Breslow was referring to: Enmanuel Valdez, Luis Urias, Pablo Reyes and David Hamilton.
https://www.masslive.com/redsox/2023/11/whos-on-second-craig-breslow-open-to-internal-and-external-options.html

I would consider Rafaela in the mix more than Hamilton, but who knows?
 

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I'll be tracking Amed Rosario this off-season. If interest doesn't develop, I think he'd be an interesting option at 2B on a one year contract.

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I'm not seeing how Rosario is an upgrade over Urias.
I think it would come down to how the Sox anticipate their defense will play at 2B. Urias has only started 120 games at 2B over his career. Rosario never played 2B until last year, and only had 20 starts there.

I'm just tracking Rosario's market. If the dollars were the same between the two players, I think Rosario will be forecasted to have the better season next year. Fangraphs projects Rosario to have 2.2 WAR next year, Urias is projected at 1.3 (with fewer projected games played).
 
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I'll add a name that hasn't been mentioned much: Brendan Rodgers. He's an excellent defender at second base (career +16 DRS), and the well-established injury concerns are priced into his $3.3 million estimated salary for 2024. The Rockies have Tovar at shortstop already and top 2B prospect Adael Amador knocking on the door at AA, so Rodgers is probably not in Colorado's long-term middle infield plans. Given the defensive profile he's a better fit than Urias, without the expected cost of Rosario or Merrifield. BTV says Mata for Rodgers or Dalbec for Rodgers are both perfectly reasonable trades for both sides.
 

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I'll add a name that hasn't been mentioned much: Brendan Rodgers. He's an excellent defender at second base (career +16 DRS), and the well-established injury concerns are priced into his $3.3 million estimated salary for 2024. The Rockies have Tovar at shortstop already and top 2B prospect Adael Amador knocking on the door at AA, so Rodgers is probably not in Colorado's long-term middle infield plans. Given the defensive profile he's a better fit than Urias, without the expected cost of Rosario or Merrifield. BTV says Mata for Rodgers or Dalbec for Rodgers are both perfectly reasonable trades for both sides.
That +16 DRS all comes from a +22 rating in 2022, while he has had a negative DRS each of 2020, 2021, and 2023. You always have to take defensive stats with a grain of salt but that seems highly suspicious. If we are going with a glove over bat guy, I would call the Cardinals about Tommy Edman. His bat isn't likely to be good but seems to have a floor around 90 OPS+, and the glove is pretty consistently above average at 2B and SS. I think if we are going to pair someone with one of Urias or Reyes, the new guy will need to be able to backup Story.

The Cards have some other options they could play at 2B/SS (Gorman, Donovan, Winn) and I think are in the market for pitching. Does something centered around Pivetta make sense?
 

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I'll add a name that hasn't been mentioned much: Brendan Rodgers. He's an excellent defender at second base (career +16 DRS), and the well-established injury concerns are priced into his $3.3 million estimated salary for 2024. The Rockies have Tovar at shortstop already and top 2B prospect Adael Amador knocking on the door at AA, so Rodgers is probably not in Colorado's long-term middle infield plans. Given the defensive profile he's a better fit than Urias, without the expected cost of Rosario or Merrifield. BTV says Mata for Rodgers or Dalbec for Rodgers are both perfectly reasonable trades for both sides.
Denver would be an incredible place for Dalbec to land. He could launch 35 HR's out of that ballpark and probably another 12-15 on the road.
Still have the worst K rate on the planet and provide no other value though....
 

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Any interest in Jonathan India? Nightengale and Passan reporting the Reds are likely to trade him. Seems to be a not great but not terrible defender. Still very young and not too far removed from a 3.1 fWAR / 4.1 bWAR rookie season. Was a league average hitter last year and statcast thought he got unlucky.

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2023/11/reds-trade-rumors-jonathan-india.html
He had a craptacular second half and saw his OPS plummet. Not sure if it was injury related but definitely a red flag there. Was hoping to deal for him in early June
 

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Any interest in Jonathan India? Nightengale and Passan reporting the Reds are likely to trade him. Seems to be a not great but not terrible defender. Still very young and not too far removed from a 3.1 fWAR / 4.1 bWAR rookie season. Was a league average hitter last year and statcast thought he got unlucky.

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2023/11/reds-trade-rumors-jonathan-india.html
India had the 6th worst OAA at 2B this season (-3.4). Of course Urias was 7th & Valdez was 9th despite far fewer innings. He was 4th worse in '22 (-5.9). According to Statcast he's in the 8th percentile in range & 15th percentile in arm strength. Don't see a lot that separates him from our current motley crew.
 

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Was playing around with baseball savant and was surprised to find that the Sox’s worst defensive position last season (when they had the second worst Outs Above Average for any team in the Statcast era) was 2b - which is pretty remarkable considering how bad they were at 3b, 1b, LF and CF. Who were the culprits? Unfortunately the two worst were the only 2b the team has now: Valdez -6, and Reyes -5. The recently departed Urius wasn’t much better at -3.
So if the Sox could acquire a plus defender at 2b they could potentially improve their defense even more than they would taking Devers off 3b (their second worst defensive position).
Considering that they could also use a right handed bat, the two players available who might best fit their needs are Brandon Drury (who will likely be traded in the inevitable Angels fire sale) and Willy Adames (with Milwaukee apparently taking offers for anyone on their roster).
Of the two, Drury would make the most sense as 2b is his natural position (Adames would need to switch from SS, where he was excellent) and he’s less likely to cost as much in prospects as the younger Adames. Drury was also +5 in outs above average from 2b while hitting 26 home runs.
 
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I'll add a name that hasn't been mentioned much: Brendan Rodgers. He's an excellent defender at second base (career +16 DRS), and the well-established injury concerns are priced into his $3.3 million estimated salary for 2024. The Rockies have Tovar at shortstop already and top 2B prospect Adael Amador knocking on the door at AA, so Rodgers is probably not in Colorado's long-term middle infield plans. Given the defensive profile he's a better fit than Urias, without the expected cost of Rosario or Merrifield. BTV says Mata for Rodgers or Dalbec for Rodgers are both perfectly reasonable trades for both sides.
I like it.

Reunite Rodgers with Story....3 more years of control....Dalbec hits bombs are Coors Field.

The downside is he'll probably be the slowest guy on the team though.
 

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In this mailbag column today in the Athletic, Jim Bowden (I know) reports that we "have already engaged in trade talks with the Reds about Jonathan India and with the Yankees regarding Gleyber Torres."

I'd seen reports Cincinnati was shopping India, but haven't seen any confirmation that we'd discussed. Could be nothing.

FWIW, the line came in an answer to a question about Ha-Seong Kim, where Bowden speculates that Preller would consider a return of Yorke and Houck.

I like it.

Reunite Rodgers with Story....3 more years of control....Dalbec hits bombs are Coors Field.

The downside is he'll probably be the slowest guy on the team though.
Dalbec is oddly fast! His sprint speed was 28.1 ft/sec last year, and 28.3 the year before. That mark would rank as 3rd fastest on the Rockies 2023 team.
 

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Of the two, Drury would make the most sense as 2b is his natural position (Adames would need to switch from SS, where he was excellent) and he’s less likely to cost as much in prospects as the younger Adames. Drury was also +5 in outs above average from 2b while hitting 26 home runs.
I'm warming up to the idea of trade for Drury. I didn't appreciate how good his defensive numbers are at second base and the fact that he has played 1B, 2B, 3B, LF, and RF. If they could swing a trade, maybe work on an extension and he could potentially transition from 2B to super-sub over the next few years.

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I'm warming up to the idea of trade for Drury. I didn't appreciate how good his defensive numbers are at second base and the fact that he has played 1B, 2B, 3B, LF, and RF. If they could swing a trade, maybe work on an extension and he could potentially transition from 2B to super-sub over the next few years.

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I guess I'm not convinced Brandon Drury is a good baseball player. That chase/whiff/BB section of his profile suggests the drop-off could be pretty steep, when it comes.

Here's my personal pecking order of plausible 2B Boston Red Sox second basemen/2B scenarios, fwiw:

A. Jorge Polanco (trade)
B. Willy Adames (trade)
C. Jake Cronenworth (preferably in a complicated trade for Soto, which would catapult this scenario up to A)
D. Jonathan India (trade)
E. Tim Anderson (FA one-year pillow contract)
F. Tommy Edman (trade)
G. Miguel Vargas (trade)
H. Luis Rengifo (trade)
I. Enmanuel Valdez, Pablo Reyes, and Nick Senzel job share (status quo, plus small FA signing)
J. Enmanuel Valdez, Pablo Reyes, and Joey Wendle job share (status quo, plus small FA signing)
K. Brandon Drury (trade)
L. Enmanuel Valdez, Pablo Reyes, and Ceddanne Rafaela job share (status quo, with Rafaela playing out of position)
M. Amed Rosario/Adam Frazier/Gio Urshela/Elvis Andrus (low-risk FA signing)
N. Whit Merrifield (expensive FA signing)

Re Jonathan India, I think he's been dismissed on this board for his bad defense, and likely rightly so. But he's been hurt by hamstring, calf and plantar fasciitis injuries the last couple years, and I'd be curious how he fares if those are behind him. The bat is interesting even if he's never been good with off-speed stuff.
 

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On paper India makes a ton of sense (re the Bowden article). He's a right handed hitting, top half of the line up, middle infielder with several seasons of control remaining. So I can certainly see the appeal and - fully admit to not watching much Reds baseball - when I heard his name in trade rumors I was very intrigued.

However, looking a little further, he actually has a reverse split in his career, with a .783OPS against RHP and a .732OPS against LHP. Which is "fine" and a heck of a lot better than the Red Sox have at the non-Story middle infield position, but I don't know that he's as excellent a fit as it would appear on the surface.

Cost dependent, I'd obviously be on board, but I think the cost will be pretty high. Again - I think India is a heck of a lot better than what the Sox have, but I also think those pieces that would be needed to acquire him would be much better served finding rotation help.

On Drury, didn't he actually choose LAA over a higher offer from Boston last year. Not sure targeting a player that took less money to not be a Red Sox would be a good "fit".

FWIW, I really like the ideas of Edman and Vargas, though.
 
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FWIW, the line came in an answer to a question about Ha-Seong Kim, where Bowden speculates that Preller would consider a return of Yorke and Houck.
I know it's impossible to know what other moves will be made, but the 2024 Red Sox would have to look really good on paper to justify giving that up for one year of Kim.
 

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I'm warming up to the idea of trade for Drury. I didn't appreciate how good his defensive numbers are at second base and the fact that he has played 1B, 2B, 3B, LF, and RF. If they could swing a trade, maybe work on an extension and he could potentially transition from 2B to super-sub over the next few years.

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Drury is the guy that makes the most sense to me.
 

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A. Jorge Polanco (trade)
Polanco had a great offensive season in 2021 but has missed a bunch of time the last two years with ankle, knee, and hamstring injuries that did not seem to resolve over the season (he played in only 80 games last year after playing in 100 in 2022). Due $10.5 million next year and $12 million in 2025. Too much injury risk for me.

B. Willy Adames (trade)
Brewers will demand a massive haul for Adames who is only under contract for one more year. Seems like a bad use of resources for a short term solution.

C. Jake Cronenworth (preferably in a complicated trade for Soto, which would catapult this scenario up to A)
Owed $12 million a year through 2030, which will be his age 36 season. He's a left handed batter and just put up this stat line for 2023: .229/.312/.378. Seems like a terrible option.

D. Jonathan India (trade)
Lots of reports of poor defensive skills. Hasn't put up good offensive numbers since 2021. On the plus side, excellent mullet.

E. Tim Anderson (FA one-year pillow contract)
??? It looks like every stat is trending in the wrong direction. On the plus side, I did like him calling out Donaldson for being an a-hole.

F. Tommy Edman (trade)
I'd be on board with this one, assuming his defensive stats at 2B are as good as advertised.

G. Miguel Vargas (trade)
Too much uncertainty after being sent back to AAA this year.

Looking at that list, I'd much prefer signing someone like Amed Rosario... or a trade for Drury? Edman could be interesting. I find the defensive stats to be really subjective, so, I'd defer to the Sox braintrust to target a plus defender.
 

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A. Jorge Polanco (trade)
Polanco had a great offensive season in 2021 but has missed a bunch of time the last two years with ankle, knee, and hamstring injuries that did not seem to resolve over the season (he played in only 80 games last year after playing in 100 in 2022). Due $10.5 million next year and $12 million in 2025. Too much injury risk for me.
Fair, but he was an iron man before 2022 and only 30. The bat is still terrific for a 2B, with an expected wOBA of around .350 and an elite walk rate vs. RHP. Switch-hitting a big plus, can spell at 3B and he's a good enough hitter to DH. I don't think 2/$22.5M is prohibitive at all.

B. Willy Adames (trade)
Brewers will demand a massive haul for Adames who is only under contract for one more year. Seems like a bad use of resources for a short term solution.
I think they'd have rightfully demanded a haul last offseason, but Adames had a down (massively unlucky?) year at the plate and isn't tremendously cheap. Besides, his shortstop market could be thin. I'm not seeing a lot of contenders with holes at the position.

C. Jake Cronenworth (preferably in a complicated trade for Soto, which would catapult this scenario up to A)
Owed $12 million a year through 2030, which will be his age 36 season. He's a left handed batter and just put up this stat line for 2023: .229/.312/.378. Seems like a terrible option.
I'm not a big Cronenworth fan and certainly not willing to eat that entire contract. He was a very good second baseman before Preller's largesse pushed him to first. Given the situation with San Diego's reported need to shed payroll and the Soto decision, I have to think it would be something we'd be willing to consider.

D. Jonathan India (trade)
Lots of reports of poor defensive skills. Hasn't put up good offensive numbers since 2021. On the plus side, excellent mullet.
The defense concerns are noted, though maybe room for optimism if he's no longer hurt.

E. Tim Anderson (FA one-year pillow contract)
??? It looks like every stat is trending in the wrong direction. On the plus side, I did like him calling out Donaldson for being an a-hole.
This was discussed a couple weeks ago too. The fit could work in the same way Semien's one-year deal with Toronto did, in an even more favorable hitters' park. It's definitely risky, but with Valdez and Yorke as backups I could see it being an interesting bridge.

F. Tommy Edman (trade)
I'd be on board with this one, assuming his defensive stats at 2B are as good as advertised.
Edman just put up the same wRC+ you used to deride Cronenworth above. Not sure what happened to the defensive marks last year. I don't dislike him but I kinda want someone who can handle RHP better. I'd worry that I'd pine for Valdez to take over the strong side of a platoon, in which case what's the point.

G. Miguel Vargas (trade)
Too much uncertainty after being sent back to AAA this year.
Lot of uncertainty, and bad defense. Probably not a solution to 2B, but I really like the plate discipline and the bat. Still, if they got rid of Urias, Vargas is probably not the direction they're going.

Looking at that list, I'd much prefer signing someone like Amed Rosario... or a trade for Drury? Edman could be interesting. I find the defensive stats to be really subjective, so, I'd defer to the Sox braintrust to target a plus defender.
In general, I expect them to get someone with plus defensive metrics and a better-than-average chase rate/plate discipline. Rosario and Drury are each a bit too much of a hacker for my tastes (to be fair, Anderson very much is too).

Brendan Rodgers is someone I forgot to add in my original list, and depending on the cost I think he'd be a top-5 scenario.
 

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C. Jake Cronenworth (preferably in a complicated trade for Soto, which would catapult this scenario up to A)
Owed $12 million a year through 2030, which will be his age 36 season. He's a left handed batter and just put up this stat line for 2023: .229/.312/.378. Seems like a terrible option.

Looking at that list, I'd much prefer signing someone like Amed Rosario... or a trade for Drury? Edman could be interesting. I find the defensive stats to be really subjective, so, I'd defer to the Sox braintrust to target a plus defender.
I'll give my 2 cents on C, Jake Cronenworth. Presumably, taking him means less heading to San Diego in terms of prospects, while getting an incredible bat in Juan Soto. So, if that's something San Diego is interested in to reduce payroll, it's something I'd at least consider. He's a guy who can play all over the infield (only 1 inning at 3B because SD had Machado, but I think he could play there in a pinch). Last year was a disaster for him at the plate, but the prior two seasons he had an oWAR of 4.4 and 4.3. If you think you can fix what was wrong last year and get that Jake Cronenworth, it's worth thinking about. The one drawback to this kind of deal is that it makes the Red Sox even more left-handed, so you'd have to figure out how to add more RH bats to the lineup.

Another option with San Diego that doesn't include Soto/Cronenworth is Ha-Seong Kim. There have been some rumblings that SD would consider moving him to allow Cronenworth to move back to 2B and add a power hitting 1B. Something like Whitlock and Verdugo for Kim is relatively close in value according to BTV (or Yorke straight up) and would give SD an OF to replace Soto and a bullpen piece after they presumably lose Hader to free agency. I'm not sure SD would be interested in that deal since Kim is a fan favorite, but Kim took a big step forward offensively this year and his defense is as good as it gets in the middle infield. He'd be a really nice piece to add to the middle infield.
 

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If the Sox think that at least one of Mayer / Yorke is ready to help by 2025, than doesn’t a stop gap make the most sense at 2b? Can’t imagine they’d give up what it takes to trade for a rental like Kim, for example.
 

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If the Sox think that at least one of Mayer / Yorke is ready to help by 2025, than doesn’t a stop gap make the most sense at 2b? Can’t imagine they’d give up what it takes to trade for a rental like Kim, for example.
Yeah, you're probably right. But my thinking was a rental like Kim might be preferred to a guy like Cronenworth who's signed through 2030 so they can get Yorke/Mayer into the fold in '25.

But yeah, the cost probably isn't worth it given the pitching needs the team has and they'd only have Kim under contract for 1 year. Just thought I'd throw his name into the mix if we're talking trades.
 

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If we're going after Milwaukee players, how about Brice Turang? He's an exceptional defensive 2B with some speed and a track record of solid contact in the minors. Pretty bad at the plate this year but he hit .286 in AAA last year. Maybe there's a chance he could be a regular .240ish hitter? The glove alone is incredibly valuable. If they want to spend big on starting pitching, getting a guy like Turang won't cost a ton and shores up the middle infield defense nicely.
 

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In this mailbag column today in the Athletic, Jim Bowden (I know) reports that we "have already engaged in trade talks with the Reds about Jonathan India and with the Yankees regarding Gleyber Torres."

I'd seen reports Cincinnati was shopping India, but haven't seen any confirmation that we'd discussed. Could be nothing.

FWIW, the line came in an answer to a question about Ha-Seong Kim, where Bowden speculates that Preller would consider a return of Yorke and Houck.



Dalbec is oddly fast! His sprint speed was 28.1 ft/sec last year, and 28.3 the year before. That mark would rank as 3rd fastest on the Rockies 2023 team.
My bad....I was refering to Rogers being slow. I should have been clearer.
 

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If we're going after Milwaukee players, how about Brice Turang? He's an exceptional defensive 2B with some speed and a track record of solid contact in the minors. Pretty bad at the plate this year but he hit .286 in AAA last year. Maybe there's a chance he could be a regular .240ish hitter? The glove alone is incredibly valuable. If they want to spend big on starting pitching, getting a guy like Turang won't cost a ton and shores up the middle infield defense nicely.
With Adames in his walk year and Turang with years of control left (he's just finished his rookie season) I don't see the Brewers in such a hurry to move him. Taking that into account, if they do consider moving him they might be looking for a pitching return if they are prepared to move on from Burnes and Woodruff. Given the Sox pitching needs and desire to cultivate their own pitching talent is that something they would consider when the need at 2B seems to be a one year stop gap?
 

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N. Whit Merrifield (expensive FA signing)
Expensive? He’s 34 years old and in decline. The highest projection I’m seeing online is 2/years 18 million.
The question I have about Merrifield is his defense. Outs Above Average likes him but Defensive Runs Saved hates him. Not sure which should be trusted, but I’m sure the Sox have their own system. If they think he can still field he wouldn’t be horrible as all he’d cost is money, and even then, not much. Definitely not the most exciting option but at least better than doing nothing..
 

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Expensive? He’s 34 years old and in decline. The highest projection I’m seeing online is 2/years 18 million.
The question I have about Merrifield is his defense. Outs Above Average likes him but Defensive Runs Saved hates him. Not sure which should be trusted, but I’m sure the Sox have their own system. If they think he can still field he wouldn’t be horrible as all he’d cost is money, and even then, not much. Definitely not the most exciting option but at least better than doing nothing..
Merifeld will be 35 and had a WAR of 0.7 this past year. If “nothing” means going with Valdez and Reyes and spending the $$ elsewhere, I vote for nothing.
 

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I don’t think Anderson is a great fit for roster reasons, but this is a blog post by a person(?) with no twitter presence built around a tweet by a single random fan published by a sports media outlet owned by a long-standing parliament member and devotee of India’s extreme right-wing nationalist autocrat Narendra Modi.
Not a good fit, noore Bloom like injured retreads
 

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Merifeld will be 35 and had a WAR of 0.7 this past year. If “nothing” means going with Valdez and Reyes and spending the $$ elsewhere, I vote for nothing.
Definitely hope they can acquire someone better than Merrifield, but I don’t see doing nothing as a viable option. Both DRS (-5 in 196 innings for Reyes, and -6 in 357 innings for Valdez) and OAA (-2 and -4) hate both Valdez and Reyes - which is a good part of why the worst defensive position for the worst defense in the majors was 2nd base (according to OAA) last year. Considering that we aren’t even sure either will hit consistently that seems like a glaring hole to enter the season with.
 
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Expensive? He’s 34 years old and in decline. The highest projection I’m seeing online is 2/years 18 million.
The question I have about Merrifield is his defense. Outs Above Average likes him but Defensive Runs Saved hates him. Not sure which should be trusted, but I’m sure the Sox have their own system. If they think he can still field he wouldn’t be horrible as all he’d cost is money, and even then, not much. Definitely not the most exciting option but at least better than doing nothing..
Not really into Merrifield, but OAA is a much better measurement than DRS because it factors in where the player actually is positioned. He was a bad OF by all metrics which dragged down his overall defense.

The biggest question imo is whether he would be good enough at hitting to be someone you would want out there. His wRC+ the last 3 years has been 89, 88 & 93. Also, the Blue Jays benched him for the playoffs. Which isn't too surprising as he was awful the last 2 months...56 wRC+ in August & 25 in September/October (slashing .181/.250/.222 in 80 PAs).
 

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Pablo Reyes got a late start to the LIDOM season, but he joined Toros a couple weeks ago & has a .995 OPS in 45 PAs, including 4 home runs.
 

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View: https://twitter.com/mikedeportes/status/1729631752585466316

Source: Detroit Tigers are available to listen to trade offers for Javier Báez, Tigers owe the shortstop $98M for the next 4 years #JavierBaez #Detroit #Tigers ✍
There is a price point where one would be willing to see if Baez can bounce back from a 61 wRC+ in 547 PAs (he was at 117 as recently as '21) as he is a really good defender... but it's not even a third of 4/$98m.

He'll be 31 next season.
 

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I’m surprised at you all. I expected to see half a dozen fake trades posted by now where the Red Sox take on Baez’s deal but also get one of Detroit’s young SPs in the process. Bonus points for getting rid of Verdugo.
 

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The funny thing about Baez is that the biggest red flag when he signed with Detroit was his strikeout rate, and he's cut that way down, from 33.6% in 2021 to 22.9% last year. He's just not hitting the ball hard. Maybe tell him to just go back to who he was? He can still field, so he has value as utility player if nothing else. What would be the right price for his four remaining years, considering the upside? 20 mil (total, not AAV)?
 

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I’m surprised at you all. I expected to see half a dozen fake trades posted by now where the Red Sox take on Baez’s deal but also get one of Detroit’s young SPs in the process. Bonus points for getting rid of Verdugo.
I mean, that would actually make a ton of sense for us. Less for Detroit.
 

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I’m surprised at you all. I expected to see half a dozen fake trades posted by now where the Red Sox take on Baez’s deal but also get one of Detroit’s young SPs in the process. Bonus points for getting rid of Verdugo.
No need. Enmanuel Valdez has mastered 2B.

View: https://twitter.com/Enmanuel_valde/status/1729526381023780896


Buuuut...

Baez, Tarik Skubal, Reese Olsen, Jackson Jobe & Ty Madden for Verdugo & Pivetta comes out as a win for the Tigers on BTV.