Why Do I Continue to Read Peter King?

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DrewDawg said:
King just sent me another DM. He's getting salty.
 
"Problem with how column was viewed: 1 question some found offensive ruined 2200-word story. Social media at its finest"
 
Holy shit this is borderline incomprehensible. PK clearly yearns for the good ole days where a reader would have to mail in an actual letter to the editor for the print edition of SI, which the editors could then ignore so no one saw the comment to begin with. I can't even... I can't.
 

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DrewDawg said:
King just sent me another DM. He's getting salty.
 
"Problem with how column was viewed: 1 question some found offensive ruined 2200-word story. Social media at its finest"
Hey, maybe don't ask an offensive question next time, and people will pay attention to the content. But based on the comment above, he's not going to learn that lesson any time soon.
 
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I'll say this for King though: if I saw him on the streets (of Manhattan, obviously), I would not have the uncontrollable urge to kick his ass.  My feelings towards him are more like pity.  CHB, on the other hand, has built a career off of intentionally making people feel shitty or angry.  That man needs a good old-fashioned curb-stomping.  King just needs, uh, sensitivity training, some basic writing classes, a sense of curiosity, maybe some wit, and an introduction to whatever school of philosophy or religion might imbue him with some humility and perspective.  But match all that with his work ethic and rolodex and he'd be in Posnanski's league in no time!
 

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DrewDawg said:
King just sent me another DM. He's getting salty.
 
"Problem with how column was viewed: 1 question some found offensive ruined 2200-word story. Social media at its finest"
 
"Some found offensive." Fuck him.
I wonder what happens if I, bartender, serve King an interesting and distinctive beer that just happens to have a turd floating in it, and when he complains, I simply remove the turd with a spoon and give it back to him.
 
If King did 2500 compelling and sensitive words on Janay Rice, and ended it with, "while we stil dont know what Janay did to provoke her husband . . . ."
 
If the 17th graf of Peter Gammons's "And all of a sudden the ball was there, like the Mystic River Bridge, suspended out in the black of the morning. . . . ." had contained some sort of insensitive / inappropriate reference to busing (to pick a relevant issue of the day), the world would not have needed "social media" to condemn Gammons.
 
He is a stupid asshole. Both.
 

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Annnnnd, again from Peter King:
 
"Not blaming you. Just making this point: Story up for 10 hours, 2/3 people bitched about question, then avalanche. that is social media"
 

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And I'm not encouraging responses either. Weird. Seems like the backlash may be getting to him.
 

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He has to be bent out of shape about this ... starting with his discovery that he wasn't breaking anything new -- others had profiled the guy before -- having to admit that ... and having Twitter beat him up for inappropriateness. All in a story that he thought would shine incredible light on his talents
 

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I think he is breaking. I bet he retires in two years - sooner if he writes anything on a level of his Ray Rice story about the video.
 

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DrewDawg said:
Annnnnd, again from Peter King:
 
"Not blaming you. Just making this point: Story up for 10 hours, 2/3 people bitched about question, then avalanche. that is social media"
 
I think Hugo Eckener wired something similar to Herbert Morrison on May 7, 1937. "Not blaming you, but only a few dozen people died, and then you got all hysterical...now we're out of business."
 
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_Morrison_(announcer)
 

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His response to that was "Got it."

Yeah, he only cared about being called out, not fucking up.
 

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King responds:
 
THE KILL QUESTION. Thank you for spreading the word about Nate Boyer, and thank you for bringing attention to veterans and their causes over the years. But in the future, I’d ask that you refrain from asking any veteran if they have killed anyone or how many people they have killed. It often makes us very uncomfortable for a variety of reasons. It is unfortunately a very common question, with deeply personal reflections and ramifications, and in this case, didn’t really add to the story. Many veterans struggle with what they did or didn’t do during combat, and asking about kill counts is often one of those questions that makes a veteran simply shake his or her head. Thanks, and keep up the good work.

 

—Jake, Killeen, Texas
 

I appreciate you writing that. Thank you. I heard from quite a few people about that Monday. In response, let me share a brief story. In 2008, I was on a USO trip with three NFL players to Afghanistan. During the course of the trip, two of the players and I spent one evening with a group of Army Special Forces. I did ask at least two of them (it might have been more) about what I thought would be the most difficult part of their lives—the act of having to kill other people. And I asked how many they had killed. Neither seemed to be upset by the question or to think that it was the wrong question to ask. So that night I didn’t walk away thinking, that’s the wrong question to ask an active service member. Now, after hearing from quite a few veterans in the wake of that question to Nate Boyer, I realize that many in the service consider it an insulting question. And so I apologize for asking a question that upset quite a few people.

 
 
He shoud have cut all but the first three and last 2 sentences.
 
I appreciate you writing that. Thank you. I heard from quite a few people about that Monday. Now, after hearing from quite a few veterans in the wake of that question to Nate Boyer, I realize that many in the service consider it an insulting question. And so I apologize for asking a question that upset quite a few people.
 

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Yeah, he's still trying to absolve himself. He's not realizing that perhaps the guys he asked back in 2008 were just polite and knew they were talking to a reporter.
 

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DrewDawg said:
Yeah, he's still trying to absolve himself. He's not realizing that perhaps the guys he asked back in 2008 were just polite and knew they were talking to a reporter.
 
And that there may be a difference between those still in combat and those who have come home with time to reflect. 
 

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I mean, he'll apologize for it, because that's the thing you do in circumstances like this, but he's not really SORRY about it, because he has asked the same insensitive questions before and not been called on it, so how could he know!  If it is anyone's fault, it is those fuckers from 2008 who didn't clue him in to the fact that questions like that are offensive in the first place! 
 
I don't click on his columns anymore but it is almost to the point where I can't click on this thread anymore because he makes me want to wretch.
 

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I can't stand the way he wrote the apology. "I apologize for asking a question that upset quite a few people." It deflects blame. It makes it seem like the question is what upset people and is detached from Peter King. A real apology would have been to say "I apologize for upsetting or offending anyone with the question I asked". Own it.
 

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Undoubtedly he had numerous questions about this to choose from. I doubt it's coincidental that he selected the one that included it being a common question. See, it ain't just him guys.
 

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Next on MMQB:
 
Peter King learns that asking large-waisted women if they are pregnant is frowned upon.
 

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Next on MMQB:
 
Peter King learns that asking large-waisted women if they are pregnant is frowned upon.
 
But he once met a woman in 2005 and asked her when she was due, and she responded June 17.  How was he to know that that question was generally frowned upon?
 

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drleather2001, on 08 Apr 2015 - 12:16 PM, said:
drleather2001 said:
Next on MMQB:
 
Peter King learns that asking large-waisted women if they are pregnant is frowned upon.
 
drleather2001 said:
 
 
 
 
Red(s)HawksFan said:
 
But he once met a woman in 2005 and asked her when she was due, and she responded June 17.  How was he to know that that question was generally frowned upon?
perfect.
 
Would he ask, though, or would he just offer dieting tips?
 

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Would he ask, though, or would he just offer dieting tips?
 
 
Best case scenario: King and Melissa McCarthy are at a Milwaukee restaurant. King mentions to the waitress after lunch orders had been taken, "Did you hear, she's pregnant!"
 
The ironic thing is that this is the same waitress he told about the death of Robin Williams. 
 

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joe dokes said:
King responds:
 
 
He shoud have cut all but the first three and last 2 sentences.
 
I appreciate you writing that. Thank you. I heard from quite a few people about that Monday. Now, after hearing from quite a few veterans in the wake of that question to Nate Boyer, I realize that many in the service consider it an insulting question. And so I apologize for asking a question that upset quite a few people.
I'd add:  "I also called Nate to apologize to him personally for asking such an insensitive question."   Of course, even if he did that in perfect PK style the next sentence would have been; "Nate graciously accepted the apology and added that he get's asked that all the time and isn't offended."   He isn't capable of fully admitting he was wrong.
 

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Peter King is an eight-year-old with a pen. 
 
Exactly what I thought; at least he didn't say but Bill and Peter and Dan all asked that question and didn't get in trouble.  How fucking hard is it for a grown man to take responsibility instead of twisting criticism into an excuse for self-pity?
 

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Jesus fuck. I can cut someone a little slack for not realizing that it's an inappropriate question. I would never ask it - I have a handful of close friends that served and I've never asked because, well, I have some tact - but I could kind of see someone in King's seat not fucking "getting it". Up in his ivory Manhattan tower and all. But Jesus stop trying to justify it and defend yourself. A simple "mea culpa" goes a long fucking way.
 

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DrewDawg said:
Yeah, he's still trying to absolve himself. He's not realizing that perhaps the guys he asked back in 2008 were just polite and knew they were talking to a reporter.
And let's face it: Peter King has the self-awareness of a paramecium. They very well could've been exasperated at that question and he wouldn't have known the difference. 
 

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DrewDawg said:
Yeah, he's still trying to absolve himself. He's not realizing that perhaps the guys he asked back in 2008 were just polite and knew they were talking to a reporter.
 
Right--he doesn't get that they were being more respectful of him than he was to them. I expect this is a common part of King's life.
 
God, is he aptly named or what?

The attempt at absolving himself by introducing some doubt, the way the media gives "both sides of the story" equal shrift even if one side isn't worth the time of day and does so by trying to inject his own cred on the matter as someone who went on a USO tour is classic King as well. This guy is remarkably consistent--it is who he is.
 

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No one talks down to their audience like Peter
 
https://twitter.com/SI_PeterKing/status/586139449991364608
 

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Think of a cross between the man behind the curtain in the Wizard of Oz, and the no-nonsense English teacher who marked you down a full grade for one grammatical error in a five-page paper.
 
A charlatan preying upon the weak and scared *and* an asshole.  Donald Trump?  Jordan Belfort?
 
 
 
And then the non-sequitur is complete:
 
The Joel Busserts of the world live in the shadows. They like it there. They are comfortable with their books and their work projects and going home to their very private lives.
 
 
The second part simply does not follow from the first.  I think I know why.  Peter King thought he had come up with two great ledes. So forsaking quality and logic, he used them both.  It makes for a poor result.  But it shows how clever Peter King is.  We know what he thinks is more important.
 

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Complaints about the "avalanche" of negative social media, from someone who makes his living as an Internet presence, are pretty fucking rich.  I'm sure PK doesn't mind when there are 50000 RTs of one of his cutesy bon mots.  It's only a problem when he - ooops! - says something stupid.
 
I really think we should print out a copy of all 5700+ posts in this thread and mail it to him anonymously.  
 

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Without clicking on the link I am really curious what he did that caused his English teacher to mark him down a full grade.

Think of a cross between the man behind the curtain in the Wizard of Oz, and the no-nonsense English teacher who marked you down a full grade for one...
...incredibly long run-one sentence.
 

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OilCanShotTupac said:
Complaints about the "avalanche" of negative social media, from someone who makes his living as an Internet presence, are pretty fucking rich.  I'm sure PK doesn't mind when there are 50000 RTs of one of his cutesy bon mots.  It's only a problem when he - ooops! - says something stupid.
 
I really think we should print out a copy of all 5700+ posts in this thread and mail it to him anonymously.  
Why anonymously? I'd gladly sign my name to that.
 

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e. I am very into “Veep,” however. And I was lucky enough to be invited to see the first two episodes of the new season last week in Manhattan. 
 
 

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o. Apropos of nothing: I was waiting for a plane at LAX the other night, and heard “That Smell” by Lynyrd Skynyrd. One of the worst songs even created. Why did it become popular?
 
 
Oh god, he's doing "apropos of nothing" too now?
 

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o. Apropos of nothing: I was waiting for a plane at LAX the other night, and heard “That Smell” by Lynyrd Skynyrd. One of the worst songs even created. Why did it become popular?
 
It was not teenage me's favorite song. Nor is it Beethoven's 9th. But King is an asshole (and "that smell" is a thought that occurs when reading MMQB):
 
 
Van Zant's inspiration for the song was the increasing reckless indulgences of the band members culminating in the evening when guitarist Gary Rossington got drunk and high and survived the crash of his new car into an oak tree along Mandarin Road in Jacksonville, Florida[1] (where the band was founded). Van Zant was thus inspired to write the song as a warning about the consequences of careless overuse of drugs and alcohol. Van Zant said, "I had a creepy feeling things were going against us, so I thought I'd write a morbid song (as a warning)."[1] The lyrics cautioned that "tomorrow might not be here for you", and that "the smell of death surrounds you".Three days after the album was released, the band was devastated by a plane crash killing several members including Van Zant.
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/That_Smell
 

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I assume that PK has high school memories of walking into the cafeteria and hearing everyone singing that song as he passed by. For the life of him, young Peter couldn't understand why everyone liked that song so much. Like, everyone was always singing it.
 

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After some reflection, I wonder *where* at LAX he heard that song. I would think that AiportMuzak has Skynard on the no-fly play list.
 

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Literally 1/3 of his weekly column is "apropos of nothing."   
 
And, look, I think "That Smell" is kind of a boring, dumb, song, but anybody who follows rock and roll already made up their mind on that song when they were in their fucking teens.   Peter King opining on the quality of  massively popular and overplayed 1970s hits is just too perfect.    Next week: "Just heard of this guy Pink Floyd. Weird name, but there's something there!"
 

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drleather2001 said:
 
 
And, look, I think "That Smell" is kind of a boring, dumb, song, but anybody who follows rock and roll already made up their mind on that song when they were in their fucking teens.   Peter King opining on the quality of  massively popular and overplayed 1970s hits is just too perfect.    Next week: "Just heard of this guy Pink Floyd. Weird name, but there's something there!"
 
"Have you ever actually been 'Under the Boardwalk,'?  There's all kinds of nasty stuff down there.  I might put down a blanket, but then I'd throw it away." 
 

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Our Hero mocks Revis for getting testy on social media, then trying to explain it away.
 
Because, you know, he's the judge and jury of deportment on social media