That could simply be to prevent Yogi Ferrell from looking at him sideways which might cause Bogut's bent elbow to fall out of his skin. Ok, I will stop now...Bogut was held out of practice tonight, FWIW.
That could simply be to prevent Yogi Ferrell from looking at him sideways which might cause Bogut's bent elbow to fall out of his skin. Ok, I will stop now...Bogut was held out of practice tonight, FWIW.
His FG% allowed overall and at the rim is still lower than anyone on the Celtics and his rebounding percentages obliterate anyone on the Cs. His offensive game has deteriorated, but he's still one of the best rebounders in the league and an above average rim protector. Considering that rim protection and rebounding are the biggest weaknesses it seems to me like a perfect fit for a 15 or so minute a game rotation guy depending on matchup, especially when they have to give up nothing of value.Check his stats. Way down across the board. I've watched him for years while with the Warriors and I agree that a healthy, younger Bogut was a good player. He is none of those things anymore. They will get nothing out of him. Its fine if they acquire him. However its like the equivalent of getting a Trader Joe's rolled taco with freezer burn when you really wanted a nice Mexican dinner. I know that makes no sense to anyone but me.
See this is why I'd rather give up the 2017 Nets pick than the 2018 Nets pick (as mentioned in another thread). Seems to me that 2018 is a better chance to get a transcendent player than 2017, even if it's a lot less sure that the Cs will have a top 3 pick.I think I agree. It's really hard to win a championship without at least one transcendent talent and those guys aren't quite that. Besides the Pistons, has any team won a title without a once or future MVP since the Sonics did it in 1979?
No you're 100% right. If Andrew Bogut is the big score tomorrow then I will be mightily disappointed.That could simply be to prevent Yogi Ferrell from looking at him sideways which might cause Bogut's bent elbow to fall out of his skin. Ok, I will stop now...
Wasn't that last year's trade deadline?Roy Hibbert also rates pretty well by defensive FG% near the rim, but I don't see the Celtics clamoring for him (nor should they).
The Nets traded their pick away for Deron Williams when they were one of the worst teams in the league in 2011. It ended up being the 3rd pick in the draft (Enes Kanter). Granted, you'd think Deron Williams would have made them better but that didn't happen.When was the last time a top-4 pick changed hands, at a time when it was clear that it was going to be a top-4 pick? Maybe I'm forgetting one, but I think you have to go back to the Webber-Penny swap on draft night in 1993.
Point is, I don't think Danny is trading this year's BKN pick unless something crazy happens, like Westbrook wanting out of OKC.
Edit: Forgot about the 4/5 (Marbury for Allen) swap a few years later, but again, that wasn't a pick being dealt for a veteran. I suppose you could count the Wiggins/Love trade, but that's a cautionary tale that illustrates why I think Danny will keep the pick.
I would still trade David Lee for Roy HibbertWasn't that last year's trade deadline?
Well, it's pretty rare that a team with a team with a clear top 4 pick is a player away from contending. Typically those teams are terrible and looking for complete rebuilds. Unless I'm forgetting something, other than the Celtics last year, the Wiggins/Love trade was also the last time a good team had an early lottery pick. I'm also curious as to why you see that as a cautionary tale to keep the pick.When was the last time a top-4 pick changed hands, at a time when it was clear that it was going to be a top-4 pick? Maybe I'm forgetting one, but I think you have to go back to the Webber-Penny swap on draft night in 1993.
Point is, I don't think Danny is trading this year's BKN pick unless something crazy happens, like Westbrook wanting out of OKC.
Edit: Forgot about the 4/5 (Marbury for Allen) swap a few years later, but again, that wasn't a pick being dealt for a veteran. I suppose you could count the Wiggins/Love trade, but that's a cautionary tale that illustrates why I think Danny will keep the pick.
Standing at TJ checkout ruefully reading this.Check his stats. Way down across the board. I've watched him for years while with the Warriors and I agree that a healthy, younger Bogut was a good player. He is none of those things anymore. They will get nothing out of him. Its fine if they acquire him. However its like the equivalent of getting a Trader Joe's rolled taco with freezer burn when you really wanted a nice Mexican dinner. I know that makes no sense to anyone but me.
What if he's the only score and it costs no real assets? I don't they'd sell him as a "big score". He'd be like the Sox acquiring a bullpen arm on deadline day for a AAAA guy.No you're 100% right. If Andrew Bogut is the big score tomorrow then I will be mightily disappointed.
Yeah that was sarcasm. I'm just with Dejesus that I don't see the point in acquiring a made-of-glass Bogut who is going to ride the bench or injure himself.What if he's the only score and it costs no real assets? I don't they'd sell him as a "big score". He'd be like the Sox acquiring a bullpen arm on deadline day for a AAAA guy.
If he could rebound and was available for essentially nothing, they would trade for him.Roy Hibbert also rates pretty well by defensive FG% near the rim, but I don't see the Celtics clamoring for him (nor should they).
I think what is less likely is the trading of a pick that could be #1, #2, #3, or #4, since there is such a difference in value between #1 and #4.The Nets traded their pick away for Deron Williams when they were one of the worst teams in the league in 2011. It ended up being the 3rd pick in the draft (Enes Kanter). Granted, you'd think Deron Williams would have made them better but that didn't happen.
Also #3 OJ Mayo was traded for #5 Kevin Love in 2008.
In 2006, Chicago drafted #2 LaMarcus Aldridge and traded him for #4 Tyrus Thomas.
Oh yeah, and in 2005 #2 pick was traded right before the drafts for the 6th and 27th pick and a 1st rounder the following year.
in 2004, the #2 pick was also traded for the #4 pick and #33 pick. You also had #2 Tyson Chandler and #3 Pau Gasol being traded on draft night as well. So IOW, it happens all the time.
Favors has been hurt pretty much all year so I'd blame that on the drop off. I'd trade for him no question if it was Amir and 2018 celts first if it was possible to still have enough cap space to go after Hayward. Otherwise, that's a better deal in the summer, but then Amir and his $12 million are gone so alas.It's too bad Derrick Favors is signed for next year too. I think I'd prefer him to Bogut otherwise. It's amazing the dude is still only 25 years old. He's had a drop off this year though, and it's not all due to minutes. Do we really trust Bogut to stay healthy? Seems like Shaq redux. Obviously, if I knew the C's would have Bogut for the stretch run that would change my opinion.
Plus, Favors is signed for next year so it doesn't matter anyway.
His rebounding has been trending down for about 4 years and he's a black hole on offense. For $11M he isn't terrible but I'm not sure he's even a better player than Amir right now, I definitely wouldn't want to pay his next contract.Favors has been hurt pretty much all year so I'd blame that on the drop off. I'd trade for him no question if it was Amir and 2018 celts first if it was possible to still have enough cap space to go after Hayward. Otherwise, that's a better deal in the summer, but then Amir and his $12 million are gone so alas.
I'm curious just how big this gap is. If the lakers end up with the 4 pick and it goes to Philly, and Philly's own pick lands in the 6-8 range, would you trade #1 overall for 4+(say) 7? If you could somehow guarantee that you'd end up with Smith and Isaac (who looks like a great fit for what the C's are missing, but doesn't seem justifiable over Fultz/Ball/Jackson at the least), would that be enough to pass on Fultz? This is just out of curiosity, not any realistic expectation a deal like this could or should happen.I think what is less likely is the trading of a pick that could be #1, #2, #3, or #4, since there is such a difference in value between #1 and #4.
Why is that a cautionary tale? That's a perfect example of a team with title aspirations smartly cashing in assets to put them over the top.I suppose you could count the Wiggins/Love trade, but that's a cautionary tale that illustrates why I think Danny will keep the pick.
Yeah, I'm still waiting for the answer. Love helped the Cavs win a championship and was playing great this year until the injury. Meanwhile, Wiggins has been a disappointment.Why is that a cautionary tale? That's a perfect example of a team with title aspirations smartly cashing in assets to put them over the top.
Yeah, especially since Wiggins has been fairly slow to develop after a promising first year. They really just gave up him and the 24th pick in last year's draft for a terrific PF who helped them win a title, and helps make them consistent favorites to win the East.Why is that a cautionary tale? That's a perfect example of a team with title aspirations smartly cashing in assets to put them over the top.
It's a whole new world ... flatAll the NBA guys are trolling and, hell, I would too. Its hilarious.
Sorry - mistyped. Their point is that you lose time with either if a deal isn't done tomorrow so the price should go down.FWIW, Butler is under contract for 2 seasons after this, not just one. I can see why Chicago wants the moon for him - they have time to be patient. If anything, the bigger issue is that Butler will be 28 next year.
Butler's age is a huge reason to tread carefully.FWIW, Butler is under contract for 2 seasons after this, not just one. I can see why Chicago wants the moon for him - they have time to be patient. If anything, the bigger issue is that Butler will be 28 next year.
Love has been great for them but it is LeBron and to a lesser extent Kyrie that makes them favorites I would think.Yeah, especially since Wiggins has been fairly slow to develop after a promising first year. They really just gave up him and the 24th pick in last year's draft for a terrific PF who helped them win a title, and helps make them consistent favorites to win the East.
That 2002 Celtics team was fool's gold. A team with Horford/IT/Butler and one of the Brooklyn picks would be legit. He'll be turning 28 before next year, not 34. He has plenty of good basketball left before any decline unless injuries play a role, which to me is the biggest Butler concern.Butler's age is a huge reason to tread carefully.
If they give up too much the Celts will maybe win a playoff series or two and then go back into years of futility.
I remember the magic of the 2002 Celtics that caught lightening in a bottle and made it to the ECF only to get smoked by the Nets. Then they ended up pretty bad until the KG deal.
These deals can come along pretty quickly so all these articles are just speculation. End of the day, making a deal has always been the least likely outcome. Plus, E5 said it's not happening, which is something no amount of Twitter emojis can overcome.Bulpett and Woj going in opposite directions. We won't know a thing until tomorrow at 3.
Bulpett saying that the "sense" tonight is that Ainge is leaning more and more toward standing pat and keeping the Nets picks.
I'm going back and forth on this. On the one hand, I see an Eastern Conference that is there for the taking. On the other hand, I fucking love everything about the NBA draft and draft lottery, even if the ping pong gods always screw us.I'm fine with Ainge standing pat and going with the picks. Not because that's necessarily the best move, but because I really enjoy watching players develop. If they develop into a Championship team, so much the better. In any event it will not be boring.
I agree the 2002 team was fool's gold.That 2002 Celtics team was fool's gold. A team with Horford/IT/Butler and one of the Brooklyn picks would be legit. He'll be turning 28 before next year, not 34. He has plenty of good basketball left before any decline unless injuries play a role, which to me is the biggest Butler concern.