That could simply be to prevent Yogi Ferrell from looking at him sideways which might cause Bogut's bent elbow to fall out of his skin. Ok, I will stop now...
Celtics Trade Deadline Game Thread
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His FG% allowed overall and at the rim is still lower than anyone on the Celtics and his rebounding percentages obliterate anyone on the Cs. His offensive game has deteriorated, but he's still one of the best rebounders in the league and an above average rim protector. Considering that rim protection and rebounding are the biggest weaknesses it seems to me like a perfect fit for a 15 or so minute a game rotation guy depending on matchup, especially when they have to give up nothing of value.
It's too bad Derrick Favors is signed for next year too. I think I'd prefer him to Bogut otherwise. It's amazing the dude is still only 25 years old. He's had a drop off this year though, and it's not all due to minutes. Do we really trust Bogut to stay healthy? Seems like Shaq redux. Obviously, if I knew the C's would have Bogut for the stretch run that would change my opinion.
Plus, Favors is signed for next year so it doesn't matter anyway.
Plus, Favors is signed for next year so it doesn't matter anyway.
See this is why I'd rather give up the 2017 Nets pick than the 2018 Nets pick (as mentioned in another thread). Seems to me that 2018 is a better chance to get a transcendent player than 2017, even if it's a lot less sure that the Cs will have a top 3 pick.
No you're 100% right. If Andrew Bogut is the big score tomorrow then I will be mightily disappointed.
When was the last time a top-4 pick changed hands, at a time when it was clear that it was going to be a top-4 pick? Maybe I'm forgetting one, but I think you have to go back to the Webber-Penny swap on draft night in 1993.
Point is, I don't think Danny is trading this year's BKN pick unless something crazy happens, like Westbrook wanting out of OKC.
Edit: Forgot about the 4/5 (Marbury for Allen) swap a few years later, but again, that wasn't a pick being dealt for a veteran. I suppose you could count the Wiggins/Love trade, but that's a cautionary tale that illustrates why I think Danny will keep the pick.
Point is, I don't think Danny is trading this year's BKN pick unless something crazy happens, like Westbrook wanting out of OKC.
Edit: Forgot about the 4/5 (Marbury for Allen) swap a few years later, but again, that wasn't a pick being dealt for a veteran. I suppose you could count the Wiggins/Love trade, but that's a cautionary tale that illustrates why I think Danny will keep the pick.
The Nets traded their pick away for Deron Williams when they were one of the worst teams in the league in 2011. It ended up being the 3rd pick in the draft (Enes Kanter). Granted, you'd think Deron Williams would have made them better but that didn't happen.
Also #3 OJ Mayo was traded for #5 Kevin Love in 2008.
In 2006, Chicago drafted #2 LaMarcus Aldridge and traded him for #4 Tyrus Thomas.
Oh yeah, and in 2005 #2 pick was traded right before the drafts for the 6th and 27th pick and a 1st rounder the following year.
in 2004, the #2 pick was also traded for the #4 pick and #33 pick. You also had #2 Tyson Chandler and #3 Pau Gasol being traded on draft night as well. So IOW, it happens all the time.
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Well, it's pretty rare that a team with a team with a clear top 4 pick is a player away from contending. Typically those teams are terrible and looking for complete rebuilds. Unless I'm forgetting something, other than the Celtics last year, the Wiggins/Love trade was also the last time a good team had an early lottery pick. I'm also curious as to why you see that as a cautionary tale to keep the pick.
What if he's the only score and it costs no real assets? I don't they'd sell him as a "big score". He'd be like the Sox acquiring a bullpen arm on deadline day for a AAAA guy.
Yeah that was sarcasm. I'm just with Dejesus that I don't see the point in acquiring a made-of-glass Bogut who is going to ride the bench or injure himself.
If he could rebound and was available for essentially nothing, they would trade for him.
The thing about Bogut is that there is zero risk. You're trading a bench center who isn't good enough to play for you in the playoffs and a pick you wouldn't be able to sign anyway for a bench center who is injury prone, but is one of the best in the league at your biggest weakness and is above average at your second biggest weakness.
I think what is less likely is the trading of a pick that could be #1, #2, #3, or #4, since there is such a difference in value between #1 and #4.
Favors has been hurt pretty much all year so I'd blame that on the drop off. I'd trade for him no question if it was Amir and 2018 celts first if it was possible to still have enough cap space to go after Hayward. Otherwise, that's a better deal in the summer, but then Amir and his $12 million are gone so alas.
His rebounding has been trending down for about 4 years and he's a black hole on offense. For $11M he isn't terrible but I'm not sure he's even a better player than Amir right now, I definitely wouldn't want to pay his next contract.
I'm curious just how big this gap is. If the lakers end up with the 4 pick and it goes to Philly, and Philly's own pick lands in the 6-8 range, would you trade #1 overall for 4+(say) 7? If you could somehow guarantee that you'd end up with Smith and Isaac (who looks like a great fit for what the C's are missing, but doesn't seem justifiable over Fultz/Ball/Jackson at the least), would that be enough to pass on Fultz? This is just out of curiosity, not any realistic expectation a deal like this could or should happen.
Why is that a cautionary tale? That's a perfect example of a team with title aspirations smartly cashing in assets to put them over the top.
Yeah, I'm still waiting for the answer. Love helped the Cavs win a championship and was playing great this year until the injury. Meanwhile, Wiggins has been a disappointment.
Yeah, especially since Wiggins has been fairly slow to develop after a promising first year. They really just gave up him and the 24th pick in last year's draft for a terrific PF who helped them win a title, and helps make them consistent favorites to win the East.
Or that he's uncertain:
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"You'll be fine.Feeling unsure and lost is part of your path.Don't avoid it. Breathe. You'll be okay even if you don't feel it all the time"
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"No matter who you are, no matter where you are, or what your current circumstances, the magic of gratitude will change your entire life."
He's being a troll. Just like when they asked him about his tweeting and profile updating yesterday and he replied with "I'm a grown man I can do whatever I want to my twitter account"
Woj on FB Live saying that things are quiet with Celtics but they will be busy tomorrow. Says they'll play Chicago and Indy off of each other until somebody blinks. Goes on to say that this is the time for Danny to push his chips to the middle and offer enough to either team that they can't refuse the deal.
Just listening to the Vertical gang on Facebook Live and Woj et al think the C's will step up here for one of Butler or George because of how close Boston is to a short-handed Cleveland club. They also added that if the C's hang on the 2017 BKNY pick, it creates some issues with IT4 who might feel threatened by the C's bringing in his replacement in one of the PGs - they seemed to suggest that the C's are aware of this potential conflict which means they are motivated to part with this pick in particular.
They also mentioned that, from the C's perspective the 2017 BKNY pick should be enough for one of those guys in the offseason if something isn't done tomorrow given that there will be more hype around those players, they could wait until they have certainty where the pick lands and both Butler and George will have less utility given that they are under contract for just one season only.
They also mentioned that, from the C's perspective the 2017 BKNY pick should be enough for one of those guys in the offseason if something isn't done tomorrow given that there will be more hype around those players, they could wait until they have certainty where the pick lands and both Butler and George will have less utility given that they are under contract for just one season only.
FWIW, Butler is under contract for 2 seasons after this, not just one. I can see why Chicago wants the moon for him - they have time to be patient. If anything, the bigger issue is that Butler will be 28 next year.
Sorry - mistyped. Their point is that you lose time with either if a deal isn't done tomorrow so the price should go down.
Butler's age is a huge reason to tread carefully.
If they give up too much the Celts will maybe win a playoff series or two and then go back into years of futility.
I remember the magic of the 2002 Celtics that caught lightening in a bottle and made it to the ECF only to get smoked by the Nets. Then they ended up pretty bad until the KG deal.
Love has been great for them but it is LeBron and to a lesser extent Kyrie that makes them favorites I would think.
Bulpett saying that the "sense" tonight is that Ainge is leaning more and more toward standing pat and keeping the Nets picks.
That 2002 Celtics team was fool's gold. A team with Horford/IT/Butler and one of the Brooklyn picks would be legit. He'll be turning 28 before next year, not 34. He has plenty of good basketball left before any decline unless injuries play a role, which to me is the biggest Butler concern.
These deals can come along pretty quickly so all these articles are just speculation. End of the day, making a deal has always been the least likely outcome. Plus, E5 said it's not happening, which is something no amount of Twitter emojis can overcome.
I'm fine with Ainge standing pat and going with the picks. Not because that's necessarily the best move, but because I really enjoy watching players develop. If they develop into a Championship team, so much the better. In any event it will not be boring.
I'm going back and forth on this. On the one hand, I see an Eastern Conference that is there for the taking. On the other hand, I fucking love everything about the NBA draft and draft lottery, even if the ping pong gods always screw us.
I like Jimmy Butler but have always been a bigger Paul George fan. I think he would fit so perfectly on this current team. Given his contract status, I would only be willing to give up 1 Nets pick/Bradley/Memphis or LAC. I like Bradley but he's the first rotation player I'd be willing to give up (excluding Amir).
I agree the 2002 team was fool's gold.
I am just not sure how legit a Horford/IT/Butler team would be.
None of those three guys mentioned above were as good as Pierce. Stevens is the real wild card because of how good a coach he is.
I am just not sure how great Butler and Thomas would be together and it still doesn't do anything to solve the rebounding issues.
I would think the ceiling of the team with Butler is a Final's loss (barring some crazy situation).
I am okay with whatever Ainge does because I think the current team has a chance at the ECF or NBA finals also.
My thinking is that if Ainge nabs Butler he's also going to get Gibson who is a FA this year and is probably the best available rebounder on an expiring deal. The deal I could see is something like the following:
Celtics trade:
Nets 2017
Bradley
Memphis pick or maybe Yabusele
Amir
Zeller
Celtics receive
Butler
Gibson
Celtics trade:
Nets 2017
Bradley
Memphis pick or maybe Yabusele
Amir
Zeller
Celtics receive
Butler
Gibson
We've denied that they were going to be bystanders during another trade deadline
We've expressed anger at the unfair demands of other teams
We've bargained ourselves down from big expectations to the Bogut-for-junk possibilities
We've gotten depressed over what will seem like yet another letdown
And now we've accepted that standing pat was the best course all along
We've expressed anger at the unfair demands of other teams
We've bargained ourselves down from big expectations to the Bogut-for-junk possibilities
We've gotten depressed over what will seem like yet another letdown
And now we've accepted that standing pat was the best course all along