I mean, your post about the drops was actually a comparison, just substituting Mac for Herbert.
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And it's not a comparison. It was a satirical post showing how folks would respond to the very same types of drops if Mac threw them vs. someone else.
If anything, I was comparing the response by posters here, not the quarterbacks.
If it were Zach Wilson's receiver dropping the ball, would that make you feel better?
It still wouldn't be comparing Mac to Zach Wilson.
You are on crusade here and I respect it but it's wrong. Mac sucks. The sample size isn't small. He has a bad arm, he can't move, he can't evade a rush, and he can't run. The Patriots offense also sucks, by the way. Every player on offense is replacement level at best, except Stevenson, who is just good.
Comparing Zach Wilson to Mac would be more apt, by the way.
All of that is true. Never said otherwise. The only crusade I have is against folks reading into my words things that aren't there.
"Comparing Zach Wilson to Mac would be more apt, by the way."
Absolutely, would make a ton more sense, IF I WAS COMPARING QUARTERBACKS.
YOU asked "Why aren't they held to the same standards?" We've all listed incredibly obvious reasons why that's the case. I have no idea what the hell you're arguing anymore if you admit that Mac sucks. What does it matter if Mac sucks and some people think that some receiver drops are his fault because of ball placement/delivery/timing etc.? What point do you want me to concede?
I did? When?
This is what I wrote regarding different standards. I'll bold the important parts:
"My only point regarding that, and this Herbert stuff is folks holding Mac to a different standard than we do when other teams players fuck over their quarterbacks."
You've literally written something out in quotes that I didn't write, ending it with a question mark, when I didn't ask a fucking question?
But I completely understand your position, so we don't have to go back and forth. When the Patriots offensive line, coaching staff and receivers fuck up, it's Mac's fault.
When a good quarterback has that happen, it's everyone else's fault.
Which, checks notes, was exactly the fucking point I was making.
But I'll answer your question, on why it matters.
Because we have a future to discuss around here. The only thing I find surprising about this season is that so many of you were optimistic, when it should have been clear as day going back to February and again in April that this offense was going to suck. A LOT. With or without Mac, it was going to suck. Focusing solely on how Mac sucks, isn't going to make this team better, but I do find it ironic that now folks want to draft MHJ over a QB, when I've been told for years it's all about the QB. Receivers don't matter.
I should be surprised, but I'm not. You do not understand my position. With how condescending your posts are, you'd think that you'd at least be able to paraphrase the opposing argument, but you're obviously incapable of that because it doesn't mesh with whatever story you've created in your head.
The venn diagram of people here who think that Mac sucks and his receivers suck would be almost a single circle. It's a very small minority who actually thinks that either position is salvageable. Same goes for OL. Coaching is a different story but you could look up any post of mine on BB and see that I'm skeptical of him as the future solution for the Pats. I think the whole Off side of the ball needs an overhaul.
But basically, people on this board would not watch, for example, that Quentin Johnson drop and believe the blame is on Mac Jones were he the QB. If they did, I would be in agreement with you. But they're not. The Mac passes you're referencing usually have a gray area because he's a much worse QB than Herbert. You have to play make believe with these really obvious Herbert passes that are clearly the receivers fault and then pretend like this same thing happens to Mac all the time because it props up this ridiculous straw man you created.
Also, when you say something like "My only point regarding that, and this Herbert stuff is folks holding Mac to a different standard than we do when other teams players fuck over their quarterbacks," I'm inferring that you're asking the question "Why do we hold Herbert and Mac to a different standard?" Because what else is the point of saying this? You're saying that they're held to a different standard. You're saying that we on this board do so in similar situations. If you object to me paraphrasing this, then I'll just say that your statement is ridiculous rather than the paraphrased question. They both accomplish the same thing. Because yes, whatever you're on about is ridiculous.
I think DOTB usually writes interesting stuff! He's a good poster! Can I just ignore him by topic?
Thanks for the thoughtful response. Can't wait for you to sink your fists in the rotting corpse of this horse after the holiday.
Dude, the first throw in that series of drops in the Herbert video was behind the receiver, slightly.
That throw, even if it was caught by a Pats receiver, would have resulted in a dozen posts shitting on Mac, saying the throw sucked, it was late, it was behind him...And that's if it was caught. God forbid it was incomplete. When Boutte couldn't get his feet down in week one, twice, Mac got blamed. When Parker dropped a ball against the Raiders on the final drive, in his bread basket, Mac took shrapnel. When Bourne, also in game one, on a critical third down, dropped a dime in his hands, the response was "it would have been a tough catch." There's a shit ton of posts crapping all over Mac for the throw that JuJu dropped. Then we get the awesome "Mac can't drive them down the field to win a game" after each and every one of these situations (not to mention Rhamondre's fumble at the end of a game last year, and the lateral from hell)
Like I said, I get it. Because you believe Herbert is a better quarterback, you will blame someone else, correctly, I might add, when they fuck up. When Mac has a receiver make a drop that high school fucking receivers make, there's now a gray area.
Do you now understand what I'm saying? I'm not comparing Mac to Herbert, I'm comparing the responses to the same fucking situations. And I was just doing it for fun, originally, but some of you get very defensive about your "everything is always Mac's fault" takes being slightly challenged. I've been on this skill position and offensive line problem since 2019, this isn't new. Just because I don't blame Mac for all of the ills of this team doesn't make me a Mac apologist or someone who believes Mac is better than Justin Herbert or that I'm even comparing the two of them (that's the shit I push back on).
Don't worry, when Bailey Zappe or whoever else takes over this team, it'll be heaven. He's got skill position players all over the field that are only fucking up because Mac sucks, he'll set alignments and protections better than Mac so our offensive line will be awesome because Mac sucks, Rhamondre will get a jolt of energy and start breaking tackles so he can have a long run of 11 yards which he can't do now, because Mac sucks, and BoB will call a perfect game and Bill will make the right decisions on going for it/kicking field goals, etc. which he can't do now, because wait for it, Mac sucks. I mean, I can write Mac sucks as much as anyone (and probably quicker, because I can type fast), but it gets awfully boring saying the same shit everyone else says.
No. I don't know what you're saying. I don't think "everything is Mac's fault."
Players who suck get less leeway than players who do not suck. Every little thing Mac does wrong gets magnified because Mac sucks. Herbert does not suck; if he were the Pats’ QB, people would be much more tolerant of his shortcomings.
I think you may have unwittingly stumbled upon the root cause of Mac’s attitude problems. He sees what you’re seeing and thinks “why is everyone so hard on me?” — not realizing, of course, that the answer is “because you suck, Mac.”
DotB: what do you think Mac would be doing in Purdy’s situation based on what you’ve seen the last 3 seasons?
Denver Broncos safety Kareem Jackson has been suspended without pay for four games for repeated violations of player safety rules.
Jackson's latest infraction came on Sunday, his first game back after serving a two-game suspension for violating player safety rules. It came on a hit on Minnesota Vikingsquarterback Joshua Dobbs that created a turnover. Jackson was not penalized on the play.
Jackson would forfeit $558,889 in salary if the four-game suspension stands. It is not immediately known if Jackson plans to appeal.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/38946909/broncos-kareem-jackson-suspended-4-games-joshua-dobbs-hit
Jackson's latest infraction came on Sunday, his first game back after serving a two-game suspension for violating player safety rules. It came on a hit on Minnesota Vikingsquarterback Joshua Dobbs that created a turnover. Jackson was not penalized on the play.
Jackson would forfeit $558,889 in salary if the four-game suspension stands. It is not immediately known if Jackson plans to appeal.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/38946909/broncos-kareem-jackson-suspended-4-games-joshua-dobbs-hit
I don’t recall Mac getting blamed for Boutte not getting his feet down.
I do have a double standard, though. As soon as Mac brings the upside of Herbert I’ll judge him on the same scale. Until then he has to perform basic NFL QB actions way more consistently to even start asking us to look past his mistakes.
I do have a double standard, though. As soon as Mac brings the upside of Herbert I’ll judge him on the same scale. Until then he has to perform basic NFL QB actions way more consistently to even start asking us to look past his mistakes.
Monday Night Football
Eagles (8-1) at Chiefs (7-2)
Line: KC -2.5
O/U: 46
Broadcast on ESPN
Now to whomever has been VO for all of ESPN's 0:15 product promo segments over the past, I don't know, 30 fucking years? I hate your voice.
Finally, utterance of the word "Swift" = take a drink
Eagles (8-1) at Chiefs (7-2)
Line: KC -2.5
O/U: 46
Broadcast on ESPN
Now to whomever has been VO for all of ESPN's 0:15 product promo segments over the past, I don't know, 30 fucking years? I hate your voice.
Finally, utterance of the word "Swift" = take a drink
If Mac had started his career in SF, and had the benefit of the coaching and scheme and players around him that Purdy has had for his career, I think Mac could also be 7-3 with that team. Do I think he'd put up the same numbers that Purdy is, not sure, but I also noticed when they got hit by the injury bug for a few weeks, Purdy looked a bit different. The players around him matter, the confidence he has matters. Mac looked really good for long stretches of his rookie year, there was something to build on.
The team went the other direction, and you could see the confidence disappear and he doesn't have a guy like CMC or Kittle or Deebo or Aiyuk to count on when he needs to make a play (or the offensive line to hold up). Obviously, its impossible to know how it would have gone, but I think what I saw his rookie year was damn good, given what he was working with. He'll get another starting job at some point in this league, or at a minimum, a backup role that could turn into a starting job.
Dude should have the rest of the season off. He's a Burfict level asshole at this point.
He might be worse than Burfict. Player safety has been a thing for much longer at this point.
In fairness those are the only 13 penalties that have been called against the Chiefs all year.
He was out of the play because of a blatant hold at the point of attack. I don’t have a strong rooting interest in this game, just saying what I saw.
Oh it was definitely a hold. My rooting interest in this game is for the meteor.
And, I think, a fumble. I didn’t hear a whistle and don’t think he was down by contact.
There's a universe out there in which every play has not been turned into a Zapruder film, but we're not in it.
