I like the trade better for the Nets.
I think its great for Philly as well, but I think they need to win in the next two years.
I think its great for Philly as well, but I think they need to win in the next two years.
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This is the right trade for both teams, and it will be nice to see Ben back out there.
Good on Brooklyn for grabbing two firsts in the deal. I know that they're low firsts, but top heavy rosters can use role players. Most of the ring-chasers the last few years have been more chaff than wheat. And Curry helps a lot.
Good on Brooklyn for grabbing two firsts in the deal. I know that they're low firsts, but top heavy rosters can use role players. Most of the ring-chasers the last few years have been more chaff than wheat. And Curry helps a lot.
This felt like an inevitable trade. Great deal for both squads. The Nets take on a bit more short term risk, in my opinion, which is what the two low firsts mitigate against. But Simmons fits what they're trying to do and they extend their window a bit.
The Sixers had to pull the trigger and honestly they got Harden for a relative steal.
The Sixers had to pull the trigger and honestly they got Harden for a relative steal.
maybe not. 2027/28 is a long way away, not impossible Harden is truly done by then, and Embiid will be well into his 30s.
the 2022/23 pick is likely not going to be good, but even there, and injury to one or both of Harden/Embiid could well put that into a low 20s... maybe worse?
PHI is pretty shallow... it's built on 2 top 15ish players.
THis is a real indication of how people have overly soured on Simmons....
this is more than PHI was supposedly offerring for Harden last year, honestly significantly more I think... and you get a year less of Harden before the extension.
1) Simmons playing zero games is worth nothing to the Sixers.
2) It's pretty clear that HOU wasn't going to play ball with Morey (understandably).
The rumor last year was Houston wanted Simmons, Maxey, Thybulle and 3-4 first round picks from Philly. That’s a lot more than they paid today, even though I really like Curry.
It’s interesting that the perception here is that because Simmons wasn’t playing that Morey did really well, when the perception of the Celtics trade for White is that we gave up too much despite JRich being a low level FA pickup, Romeo having been flotsam so far, and the 1st round pick being in the 20s likely.
To me, this feels like Philly gave up a TON (Simmons is VERY good and VERY young) to get a somewhat bloated version of a guy who has quit on the last two teams he has played for. Simmons/Curry/Drummond and 2 1sts is aggressive for Harden — they need to win the championship in the next 2-3 years or this is a debacle. I lean towards it being a debacle.
To me, this feels like Philly gave up a TON (Simmons is VERY good and VERY young) to get a somewhat bloated version of a guy who has quit on the last two teams he has played for. Simmons/Curry/Drummond and 2 1sts is aggressive for Harden — they need to win the championship in the next 2-3 years or this is a debacle. I lean towards it being a debacle.
The whole situation was a debacle once Simmons decided he wasn't going to play for Philly anymore. Is there a better deal that Philly could have gotten?
From the old Simmons thread, I'm trying to remember what the most popular deal being discussed around here was early in the season. Was it CJ McCollum? I think Morey played a bad hand well.
From the old Simmons thread, I'm trying to remember what the most popular deal being discussed around here was early in the season. Was it CJ McCollum? I think Morey played a bad hand well.
Philly had to give up Simmons, players and 2 first round picks ...all for the pleasure of bringing in Harden who is potentially a FA at the end of the season, and has a player option for 47 million, and quit on the last 2 teams. UHHHH thats something.
I assume he's also gotten a tacit agreement from Morey that he'll be extended as soon as eligible
The trade is a wash. 2 star players who frankly won't win a title. I'm not making that big of a deal over this one because of that. I don't think Harden or Simmons are winning players.
I think Simmons in particular has a great chance to win a title. Playing with KD does that for you.
I think Philly gave up a ton here. Yes, Morey got a star in return, but he also gave up 2 FRP and some other pretty useful role players.
Plenty of time for him to mope his way off of yet another team before then.
The 2022-23 season is on his current contract (player option). I'd be inclined to let him walk after that. I would not want to pay anywhere near that much money for Harden's age 34-38 seasons.
I wonder if Brad gave any thought to overall team chemistry with all these trades. Not on court, but just as a group.
Half the guys in the locker room and on the team planes just got shipped out. Kind of weird for a surging team.
I'm sure the Lakers wish they could have done something like this of course.... but interesting moves overall from Brad.
Half the guys in the locker room and on the team planes just got shipped out. Kind of weird for a surging team.
I'm sure the Lakers wish they could have done something like this of course.... but interesting moves overall from Brad.
Great day for the OKC players... OKC didn't eat any deals, so they all get to split like $20M
The new play in format was the greatest thing ever for the trade deadline.
Last 2 years have been great. Not just smoke.
Last 2 years have been great. Not just smoke.
Read what I wrote again, it wasn’t a compliment of Harden. And yes, tampering with a direct competitor’s players to convince them to punt the season is the very definition of maximum sleaziness. The “But other teams are scummy too!!!” defense doesn’t work.
East Playoffs are going to be flat out awesome. Considering they have six great teams at the top (Miami, Chicago, Cleveland, Milwaukee, Philly, Brooklyn), it guarantees at least two great first round series and some really good 2nd round matchups.
Was curious what was going to happen here. Why didn't they?
Aren't there some lux tax teams with useless contracts that would ship them a pick/cash?
Pretty awesome for the remaining OKC roster though...
You have to include the current iteration of the Celtics there if you're doing Cleveland and Chicago (I'd argue even Miami).
It's a weird situation where the 3 most dangerous teams (Mil, Phi, Brooklyn) are sitting further down the standings.
It's also highly unusual for contenders in the same conference to swap star players in the middle of the season. Has that ever happened before?
I think I'd tend that way, too....but all 3 teams will have a legit shot if healthy (and if Kyrie can play, etc) More than anything I hope the seeding lines up such that Philly-Brooklyn match up before one of them faces Milw.
As bunched up as the East is, we could easily see two of the MIL/BKN/PHI axis of doom facing each other in the first round.
Knicks sent Walt Bellamy (and Butch Komives) to Detroit for Dave DeBusschere in December 1968. Knicks were 18-17 at the time of the trade. Pistons had lost 9 in a row to fall to 10-18. So maybe not "contenders"? )
Thunder players deserve it. They might not be the most talented bunch but they play hard. Heck, Dort's salary for the year has been doubled!
If you're worried about SGA wanting out of OKC (and I haven't read any reporting that we're at that point yet), giving him and all of his friends on the team seven-figure checks is pretty good way to convince him to stick out another year of the rebuild.
I've been duped by 538 being high on the Celtics before.... but hard to not have them at least somewhere in the top 6 teams in the East currently.
538 currently has them ranked #1 in the NBA based on RAPTOR player rankings.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2022-nba-predictions/?ex_cid=rrpromo
And a 17% chance of winning the Finals
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2022-nba-predictions/celtics/
Yeah those odds are clearly ridiculous, but this team is monstrous defensively. They have so much speed and length.
The Heat are this year's version of the '18 Celtics and Raptors. The hardworking somewhat talented team that rolls up regular season wins but isn't a serious contender. Philly entered that arena with the Harden deal, but pretty much this boils down to the Bucks, Nets, and Sixers.
MIA: Lowry, Herro, Robinson, Butler, Tucker, Adebayo
BKN: Irving, Curry, Mills, Harris, Durant, Simmons
PHI: Maxey, Harden, Green, Thybulle, Harris, Embiid
MIL: Holiday, Allen, Middleton, Giannis, Portis, Ibaka
The East playoffs is gonna be an absolute bloodbath. And none of the Cavs, Bulls, Raptors, Celtics, or Hawks are gonna be pushovers, either. Even the Hornets could be a tough out with Trez.
Right, the Heat have a PG nearly as old as I am, two guys that couldn’t defend LeBron to a room full of Laker fans and a pair of top 20 players. They’ll outwork everyone during the regular season, but come playoff time, health willing, the Bucks, Nets, and Sixers are going to spit roast opponents. But come round two whichever pair get matched up will produce some epic basketball.
The fact that Simmons demanded a trade, was traded the day of the trade deadline, and needs "weeks to get into shape and get acclimated" is kinda silly.
Shouldn't he have been working out hard and prepping for this exact moment?
That guy is such a clown. He and Kyrie deserve each other.
Shouldn't he have been working out hard and prepping for this exact moment?
That guy is such a clown. He and Kyrie deserve each other.