16 Days in January—Determining Trade Deadline Activity

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If you ever wanted proof that the local paper guys have no idea what they are talking about, and are worse than not just all the online guys, but at least half this forum......

Gary Washburn is arguing that the Celtics should trade Romeo and/or maybe a 1st to ORL for Terrence Ross.

Yes 30 year old, no defense, no rebounding, shooting 30% from 3 Terrence Ross.

Not only is Romeo probably the better player straight up... but you're paying tax for him, and missing the tax payment, AND hitting repeater earlier.
 
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Cellar-Door said:
If you ever wanted proof that the local paper guys have no idea what they are talking about, and are worse than not just all the online guys, but at least half this forum......

Gary Washburn is arguing that the Celtics should trade Romeo and/or maybe a 1st to ORL for Terrence Ross.

Yes 30 year old, no defense, no rebounding, shooting 30% from 3 Terrence Ross.

Not only is Romeo probably the better player straight up... but you're paying tax for him, and missing the tax payment, AND hitting repeater earlier.
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+1. This nitwit has the Celtic's going ALL IN for James Harden

https://www.audacy.com/weei/sports/celtics/greg-hill-celtics-should-go-all-in-for-james-harden
 
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Cellar-Door said:
If you ever wanted proof that the local paper guys have no idea what they are talking about, and are worse than not just all the online guys, but at least half this forum......

Gary Washburn is arguing that the Celtics should trade Romeo and/or maybe a 1st to ORL for Terrence Ross.

Yes 30 year old, no defense, no rebounding, shooting 30% from 3 Terrence Ross.

Not only is Romeo probably the better player straight up... but you're paying tax for him, and missing the tax payment, AND hitting repeater earlier.
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To be fair to Washburn, Ime also seems completely unaware that Romeo is allowed to be played prior to garbage time (except when he randomly gives him run against the Pistons and he looks good), so it's understandable Gary is confused.
 
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to be fair Radio has always had knowing absolutely nothing as a pre-requisite for employment.
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Greg Hill has somehow been involved in Boston radio for 30 years or so, including being a Boston sports fan, yet has figured out a way to know very little about any of the sports, the teams, or anything in between.

It's really an impressive thing to go so long without picking up anything by osmosis.
 
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They already have this guy and his name is Josh Richardson.
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Don't insult Richardson, who is a good defender like this.

The best analysis of Terrence Ross I saw was someone who said "people who don't watch him play think Ross is a 2 way player, when really, he's arguably not even a 1 way player"
 
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Is Washburn reporting that the Celtics are actually looking at Ross or is he saying that he thinks they should consider trading for Ross?
 
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Technically not trade related because nobody in their right mind would trade for him, but some rumors Gary Harris is likely to get bought out.

At $20M he's one of the worst values in the league as he's cratered (particularly on D) on a bad Magic team, but on the minimum he's interesting. He used to be a solid defender in DEN, and the only thing he is doing well this year is banging home 3s at 39%.
 
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Is Washburn reporting that the Celtics are actually looking at Ross or is he saying that he thinks they should consider trading for Ross?
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According to an NBA source, the club is working on a package to acquire Orlando swingman Terrence Ross, who has one more year left on his contract, with Dennis Schröder, another player and likely a draft pick headed to the Magic.

That's what is in the article. I have to assume that source is either Ross' agent or a Magic exec, because that's a trade that makes zero sense, sure Ross has another year on his deal, but he's also garbage, and even in his best year's he's not a knockdown shooter or anything.
 
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If Terrence Ross ends up on the Celtics this season something went terribly wrong (unless it's part of some big trade and his salary is needed I suppose).

But he definitely should not be on the floor unless we suddenly are tanking for some reason.
 

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I'd more say Ross is an idealized version of Nesmith. But with that salary I'm not sure I'd take him for free---you'd have to get off a bunch of money in order to have him because he's not close to worth the repeater tax etc.

I don't think he's useless, but you have to really believe he's going to be materially better in a different and more limited role in Boston than he has been recently in order to even want that salary.
 
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I also enjoy the Woj quotes that Harden really wants to join the Sixers but will not formally request a trade. All while sitting out with hamstring "tightness".

As if there is some formal process....

You just did it buddy. Your people told Woj you want out and you stopped playing. Thats as formal as it gets.
 
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Cellar-Door said:
According to an NBA source, the club is working on a package to acquire Orlando swingman Terrence Ross, who has one more year left on his contract, with Dennis Schröder, another player and likely a draft pick headed to the Magic.

That's what is in the article. I have to assume that source is either Ross' agent or a Magic exec, because that's a trade that makes zero sense, sure Ross has another year on his deal, but he's also garbage, and even in his best year's he's not a knockdown shooter or anything.
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That feels like way too much to give up.

To even consider this deal, I would have to be convinced that Ross's fading 3-point percentage is due to being on a bad team and not getting as many open looks, and that as a Celtic on the floor with Jayson and Jaylen he will get those looks and hit them.

The only way 'other players' makes sense is if it involves Boston shedding some salary (Bol Dozier Kanter Bruno) etc, especially if there will also be a draft pick.
 
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If it were Schroder, Bol Bol, Dozier for Ross it works on the cap. though it adds $2.5 mil to celts payroll, so presumably only makes sense if there's a different deal that sends JRich somewhere and takes back $5 mil or so. Thus, you'd need a third team in there to create some salary flex and that is awfully tricky.

You also are picking up Ross' salary next year so not sure any of that really makes sense
 
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The only talent/fit way I can make sense of that is if you are adding a Coby White for JRich to the Ross part.

You could plausibly prefer Ross/White to JRich/Schroder. But to both fit cap and get Celts under tax you'd have to do somtehing like Richardson to bulls, White and TBRown to Celts, then TBrown to OKC with a pick or something messy like that. Not sure Chi does that, and while Celts might do it they also might not.

Anyway, just agreeing that it's hard to see logic in a Ross for Schroder starting point
 
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I thought Ibaka was considered a buyout candidate.

Looks like Dragic will be a buyout now. Could be a fit for the Celtics.
 
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I thought Ibaka was considered a buyout candidate.

Looks like Dragic will be a buyout now. Could be a fit for the Celtics.
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Sadly his list is DAL, and then a bunch of top contenders supposedly.
Still one good thing is it's one less team in on the other potential buyout guys at PG/SG.
 
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radsoxfan said:
I also enjoy the Woj quotes that Harden really wants to join the Sixers but will not formally request a trade. All while sitting out with hamstring "tightness".

As if there is some formal process....

You just did it buddy. Your people told Woj you want out and you stopped playing. Thats as formal as it gets.
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James Harden really needs an agent to help spin this in his favor. It’s amazing that he looks like the bad guy here given that the other people involved include Morey, who is tampering with another team’s star player, and Simmons, who willfully chose not to play for a championship contending team this year.
 
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cheech13 said:
James Harden really needs an agent to help spin this in his favor. It’s amazing that he looks like the bad guy here given that the other people involved include Morey, who is tampering with another team’s star player, and Simmons, who willfully chose not to play for a championship contending team this year.
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When you go on strike to force your way to a team, and a year later start trying to force your way to another one you're always going to look bad. Honestly, not playing at all is going to get less attention than not trying at all
 
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So:
View: https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/1491827682568462342

Smith points out they didn't need to move both to get under (though they would need to move Bol and someone else to protect against a surprise Jaylen ASG replacement)
Himmelsbach noting that teams say Richardson is not getting traded, but Schroder is 50/50.
View: https://twitter.com/AdamHimmelsbach/status/1491828476583759874


Makes sense, more wiggle room after this deal in terms of what you can get back for Schroder since not only do you not need to cut salary, you could probably take on a little bit.
 
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Won't happen, but an interesting idea came to me while looking for guys on teams that need a PG who make in the 7-9M range (basically Schroder and a bench big (Enes please.. but also Bruno).

The Suns need a backup PG.. Cam Payne got hurt and CP3 is playing 39 minutes a game.

Dario Saric is out maybe for the year with an ACL, but he's under contract next year and he's a shooter

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Schroder/Enes
 
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BKN looks great now (assuming Kyrie eventually plays home games)....

Simmons is a great fit, Curry is an upgrade from Harris, Drummond upgrades C...

they are real good.

PHI... less clear they improved. Harden motivated and in shape is a great fit with Embiid for 2 man games, and it's an upgrade over a no-Simmons roster... but losing Curry hurts
 
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cheech13 said:
James Harden really needs an agent to help spin this in his favor. It’s amazing that he looks like the bad guy here given that the other people involved include Morey, who is tampering with another team’s star player, and Simmons, who willfully chose not to play for a championship contending team this year.
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Especially when one of the parties involved is the Brooklyn front office that was negotiating with a direct competitor’s player at the start of that team’s season. Hilariously Harden is the closest thing to a non-creep involved in this (Simmons might not be, but his agents are pretty repulsive).
 
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PHI... less clear they improved. Harden motivated and in shape is a great fit with Embiid for 2 man games, and it's an upgrade over a no-Simmons roster... but losing Curry hurts
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They just swapped Curry and Drummond for Harden....

Unless Harden is actually injured and can't play, how are they not significantly improved?
 
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What a pain the ass it must be to root for a team with Harden on it. He's obviously a great player, but the microsecond things aren't going his way, he screws his way out of town.
 
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Won't happen, but an interesting idea came to me while looking for guys on teams that need a PG who make in the 7-9M range (basically Schroder and a bench big (Enes please.. but also Bruno).

The Suns need a backup PG.. Cam Payne got hurt and CP3 is playing 39 minutes a game.

Dario Saric is out maybe for the year with an ACL, but he's under contract next year and he's a shooter

Saric

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Schroder/Enes
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I think the Celtics need a PG back, right? Maybe something like this, IDK, and then go buyout market.

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Even with Harden being a more than passable PG, there is diminishing returns for 3 guys whose top skill is scoring. Which is to say, Harden is of course better but Simmons might be a better fit on the Nets.
 
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nighthob said:
Especially when one of the parties involved is the Brooklyn front office that was negotiating with a direct competitor’s player at the start of that team’s season. Hilariously Harden is the closest thing to a non-creep involved in this (Simmons might not be, but his agents are pretty repulsive).
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huh? Dude quit on multiple teams, had his agent narrow the field of places he'd play to 1... twice (maybe 2 last year, but rumor is he strongly pushed for BKN over PHI), intentionally flouted COVID regulations last year to go to strip clubs so he wouldn't be allowed to practice... Harden is way worse than some "Tampering" which every team does.
 
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Sixers won each of their two titles 1-2 years after trading for a former MVP still near or at their peak so.... but I think this helps the Nets plenty as well.
 
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The Nets will get the Sixers' 2022 first-round pick unprotected with a right to defer until 2023 and a 2027 first-round pick protected 1-to-8, sources tell ESPN. The 2027 pick would roll over to 2028 protected 1-to-8 again. The pick turns into two seconds and $2M in 2029.
 
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