2016 Colts: Always a Banner Year

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Are they as bad as they seem? What, and 8-8 season? Worse? Better?
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Remaining schedule:
vs. Bears: seems easy, but coming back from London with no bye, and the Bears passing offense could pose issues
@ Houston: tough game
@ Tenn: should win
vs. KC: tough game
@ GB: likely loss
vs. Tenn: win
vs. Pitt: likely loss
@ NYJ: toss-up
vs. Houston: will give them a home W here
@ Minn: likely loss
@ Oak: tough road game
vs. Jax: win

So if you give them the benefit of the doubt - wins vs. Bears, Titans x 2, @ NYJ, vs. Houston, vs. Jax, that gets them to 7-9. To get to 8 wins they would have to win all of those games plus one of KC, GB, Pitt, HOU, or OAK as well. Seems unlikely.
 
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I guess ex-Patriot Reggie Wayne put the front office, HC, and players on blast. Pagano was asked about it during his presser today and wouldn't answer. Overpaid/underachieving/injured Trent Cole has a sad and told Reggie to pipe down.

The whole franchise has been operating in a fawning, adulating, naive market for the past generation... they aren't used to any kind of saltiness from the press or fanbase.
 
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I guess ex-Patriot Reggie Wayne put the front office, HC, and players on blast. Pagano was asked about it during his presser today and wouldn't answer. Overpaid/underachieving/injured Trent Cole has a sad and told Reggie to pipe down.

The whole franchise has been operating in a fawning, adulating, naive market for the past generation... they aren't used to any kind of saltiness from the press or fanbase.
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All of this.

With Polian, they were a very good, but unbalanced team. Now, they're a mediocre to bad unbalanced team.

The roster stinks. You have Luck, Hilton, and Allen on offense, Vontae Davis and maybe Mike Adams on D, and an excellent kicking game. There are a few guys with upside like Dorsett, Moncrief (injured) and Henry Anderson (coming back from an injury). Otherwise the roster sucks. They have a major lack of talent. O and D lines are awful, linebackers suck, running backs are mediocre at best, corners outside of Davis are shit.

They're just not a very good team.
 
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Just came in to post the same link.

Grigson embodies the old adage "Better to be thought a fool and remain silent than to open your mouth and remove all doubt."

I mean, that's shocking stupidity to say something like that as the GM. It's one of the fundamental reasons the Colts never got over the hump with Manning. Now they've made the same mistake and are using it as an excuse.

I love it.
 
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It also throws Luck under the bus. As if it's HIS fault that the team isn't very good.
 
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Dick Pole Upside said:
Just came in to post the same link.

Grigson embodies the old adage "Better to be thought a fool and remain silent than to open your mouth and remove all doubt."

I mean, that's shocking stupidity to say something like that as the GM. It's one of the fundamental reasons the Colts never got over the hump with Manning. Now they've made the same mistake and are using it as an excuse.

I love it.
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Were you in a coma after the 2006 AFC Championship?
 
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I was speaking more to the perception that the Colts, with Manning, were set up for multiple Lombardis. All the while whistling past the graveyard as Manning insisted on top dollar to the detriment of overall team-building. Blowhard Polian, Irsay et al added baubles on offense like James, Harrison, Wayne, Glenn, etc. while essentially hamstringing the defense.

Grigson has essentially used the same playbook, only with even worse judgment on talent acquisition.

(I think you already knew this...)
 
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I was speaking more to the perception that the Colts, with Manning, were set up for multiple Lombardis. All the while whistling past the graveyard as Manning insisted on top dollar to the detriment of overall team-building.
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Not to turn this into a Colts history thread but they didn't lose in the playoffs because they paid Manning too much, they lost because they put like 90% of their cap space into a handful of guys and had no middle class of the roster. Manning was part of that but so was Edge, Wayne, Harrison, Freeney, Mathis, and Sanders. That, and guys like Freeney and Mathis were able to be neutralized, and Bob Sanders was always hurt.
 
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Not to turn this into a Colts history thread but they didn't lose in the playoffs because they paid Manning too much, they lost because they put like 90% of their cap space into a handful of guys and had no middle class of the roster. Manning was part of that but so was Edge, Wayne, Harrison, Freeney, Mathis, and Sanders. That, and guys like Freeney and Mathis were able to be neutralized, and Bob Sanders was always hurt.
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I agree with this. The 2006 squad that won it all had a terrible D in the regular season (23rd in scoring D, 21st in yardage) but got healthy for the playoffs and played really well in their SB run. In 2005 they had been the #2 scoring D and in 2007 they were actually the #1 scoring D. Manning's Ds weren't always bad; they were just top-heavy, and they had less injury luck than on the offensive side.
 
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They also have had somewhere between below average and atrocious coaching for most of the last fifteen years.
 
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They're giving TY Hilton a cap hit of $11 million a year? Woof.

I know the Pats don't pay WR and I've got my Pats homer glasses on, but I actually like TY Hilton, but tying up $11 mill a year in a guy who gets 1,000 yards? I know there's a ton of WR contracts out there that are bad, but from an ROI it's pretty bad.
 
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Agreed. Dungy was a solid coach in both his NFL stops. He wasn't belichick, but no one is.

Pollian is the massively overrated part of those teams.

Grigson's an idiot and his comments prove it. Not that we needed proof
 
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I know people hate on Dungy, but do people really think he's a below-average coach? What he did in Tampa was pretty remarkable.
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With Peyton Manning in Indy, he went one-and-out in 2002, 2005, and 2007. Those 2005 and 2007 teams were probably the best or second-best teams in football those years. The 2006 team, which went all the way, actually overachieved significantly, so that's the only Indianapolis feather in Dungy's cap, as I see it. Jon Gruden and Jim Caldwell took over for him in 2002 and 2009 and immediately went to the Super Bowl.

Not a bad coach, but not an all-time great either.
 
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I know people hate on Dungy, but do people really think he's a below-average coach? What he did in Tampa was pretty remarkable.
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He was a fine/good coach, he's not a HOF coach in my opinion. He's definitely better than average but that's because so many coaches in the NFL in the last 20 years are a complete dumpster fire.
 
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The Texans practically gift-wrapped a divisional away-game victory for the Colts, but Indy threw up on itself once again.

The Colts have been a slow start/furious finish team... this was the opposite.

Vontae Davis returned, so their best defensive player was on the field as well. No where to turn now for excuses.
 
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Complete meldtdown last night. Up by two TDs with 7:00 left in the 4th, the Colts give up two TD drives, while managing to possess the ball for approximately 80 seconds total on their final two drives, and lose in OT.

They are now 2-4 and 0-2 in the division, with games against the Chiefs, Packers, Jets, Steelers, Vikings, and Raiders remaining. At best I see them going 2-4 in those games (assuming Roethlisberger starts for PIT). They'll likely need to sweep the remaining division games to win the division, which is a tall order given how much the talent gap has closed.

The silver lining should be that Grigson and Pagano are on their way out, but given their recent extensions and Irsay's kookiness, that's hardly a guarantee.

Not a happy state of affairs for Colts fans. While I enjoy this to a certain extent, I genuinely like Luck, and it's sad to watch his career being ruined by incompetence.
 
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(I don't actually think Andrew Luck is bad but I love this song and I love the karma with the Colts sucking).
 
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MarcSullivaFan said:
The silver lining should be that Grigson and Pagano are on their way out, but given their recent extensions and Irsay's kookiness, that's hardly a guarantee.
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I'm hoping they rally, and make it to 9-7 and just miss the playoffs while performing incredibly down the stretch and both Grigson and Pagano are given 5 year extensions. That would be best case scenario as those two are questionable at best, and a continuation of the current path is all a fan of anyone other than the Colts can wish for.
 
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Big Colts message board has completely turned on Irsay/Pagano/Grigson. http://coltfreaks.com/phpbb/search.php?search_id=active_topics

Indy Star: http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/nfl/colts/2016/10/17/colts-loss-must-leave-jim-irsay-fuming/92053470/

The Colts are now 2-4 this season, and the pressure and scrutiny on Pagano, Grigson and the players likely will reach a fever pitch.

It’s one thing to be blown out by New England or Pittsburgh, which the Colts have turned into an art form.
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And SoSH favorite Gregg Doyel:

And then with five minutes left the Colts remembered who they are, deep at their core. They are underachievers. They are timid. They are scared. And they are, for the fourth time in six games, losers.
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http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/columnists/gregg-doyel/2016/10/17/doyel-colts-show-themselves-disastrous-closing-minutes/92053202/
 
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The best part of it is that they apparently posted that when he first cracked it, and then he lost yards and went back to 99.
 
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blocked on my end. What is it?
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A tweet celebrating their first 100 yard rusher in 437 years.

Posted when he hit 100, and then he preceded to lose 2 yards on his next carry and go back under. Now, granted he eventually made it back over, but it's funny because it's kind of a stupid thing to celebrate in a loss so they should have probably waited until the game was over.
 
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A tweet celebrating their first 100 yard rusher in 437 years.

Posted when he hit 100, and then he preceded to lose 2 yards on his next carry and go back under. Now, granted he eventually made it back over, but it's funny because it's kind of a stupid thing to celebrate in a loss so they should have probably waited until the game was over.
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It has also been four years since a Colts player accomplished this, which makes it more funny/stupid to celebrate. Especially in a loss.
 
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Maybe I'm too cynical but so much of that comes across as ripe for a game of buzzword bingo.
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Not cynical enough. I turned it into buzzword concentration, and waited for the words to pair up

I love Grigson's constant praise for the Ravens, Seahawks and Packers as teams who "grind and find" complete rosters. If anyone had mentioned the Pats, I wonder what he would have done
 
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Not cynical enough. I turned it into buzzword concentration, and waited for the words to pair up

I love Grigson's constant praise for the Ravens, Seahawks and Packers as teams who "grind and find" complete rosters. If anyone had mentioned the Pats, I wonder what he would have done
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I saw that too. I've liked some of these MMQB pieces about other teams -- the one about the Cardinals, Arians, and Palmer was really great and impressive -- but this one was strange. It felt like fortune cookie wisdom and pablum that shouldn't need to be said. Take this quote about their 3rd round draft pick:

“We need him,” Grigson said. “We gotta hit on all our guys. That’s the attitude we all gotta have.”
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No shit, Sherlock.
 
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This article could be turned into an anti-drug commercial:

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/jim-irsay-on-colts-we-could-be-6-0-if-the-ball-bounces-a-little-differently/

"I have patience and nothing has changed,'' Irsay continued. "When I made the decision in January, it was a decision that was well thought out and a long-term decision. Both of the guys have accomplished a lot in their careers. We could be 6-0 if the ball bounces a little differently."
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Best of all worlds there. Long-term.
 
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We could be 6-0 if the ball bounces a little differently.
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There's a new banner in there somewhere. "Alternate Universe Division Winners?"
 
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Going back ten years (2007 draft), in the first round of the draft, the Ravens have drafted three (3) defensive players, three (3) offensive linemen, and two (2) offensive skill players (one (1) wide receiver and one (1) quarterback). The Seahawks have drafted four (4) defensive players, three (3) offensive linemen and zero (0) offensive skill players (the Seahawks traded away four of their first round picks but had two first round picks in 2010). The Packers drafted eight (8) defensive players, two (2) offensive linemen and zero (0) offensive skill players.

During that same time frame, the Colts have drafted two (2) defensive players, one (1) offensive lineman, and four (4) offensive skill players (two (2) wide receivers, one (1) running back, one (1) quarterback). The Colts traded away two of their first round picks during this time frame (cough cough Trent Richardson cough cough).

For shits and giggles, during that time frame, the Steelers drafted seven (7) defensive players, two (2) offensive linemen and one (1) offensive skill player (one (1) running back). The Patriots drafted seven (7) defensive players, one (1) offensive lineman and zero (0) offensive skill players (grumble grumble F.U. Roger Goodell, Troy Vincent, Jim Isray, ESPN, etc. grumble grumble).
 
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