Rondo officially signs with NO. http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/246911/Rajon-Rondo-Agrees-To-One-Year-Deal-With-Pelicans
2017 NBA offseason thread
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Crabbe and Harkless and Vonleh for Melo and Courtney Lee works in the trade machine, maybe POR throws in a first round pick. That is definitely better for NY and POR, but good luck getting Melo to agree to it, as was said. Lillard/McCollum/Melo/Nurkic is a pretty wild offensive core, though.
He would give up at that point. He is already stretched thin as it is.
And to Big John, yes the Blazers have paid up for some players but they are a team that plays in a town that isn't exactly a free agent destination. I can see why they made some of those moves - you get the talent that is available to you.
The problem is that Anthony does nothing to make them a more attractive destination and a move to get him will deplete their depth while making their defense even more porous (Lillard and McCollum tend to be turnstiles).
Portland could be the most attractive free agent destination in the NBA, but they won't have the cap space to sign one until 2021. And they are over the apron and can't even offer the full MLE to a third tier guy. Anthony's deal is a year shorter than the contracts the Blazers gave to Crabbe, Turner, Leonard and Harkless. That's what makes him attractive to the Blazers.
Reed to the Clippers.
It's funny...with West on board the Clippers are making the sort of small moves that would have been great when they had CP3 along with Jordan and Griffin. Doc was just terrible at getting those sort of complementary players in.....and now the window for when/how that would really matter has probably closed
It's funny...with West on board the Clippers are making the sort of small moves that would have been great when they had CP3 along with Jordan and Griffin. Doc was just terrible at getting those sort of complementary players in.....and now the window for when/how that would really matter has probably closed
This blows my mind! AND the Clippers had two larger exceptions that he couldn't convince Doc to part with! Not only was Reed an active and effective backup big in Miami but when Whiteside was out it was Reed who stepped in for five games with a 15/8/1.5 line while shooting 70% from the field. I'm guessing players aren't going to be running to sign up for Joel Bell's representation anytime soon. I mean, Reed is barely making more than Abdel Nader is to be the Celtics 12th-14th man this year.
Suddenly the backup bigs who were accustomed to being overpaid ever since the inception of free agency are being left hanging. The Celtics and Clippers benefitted greatly here with the Baynes and Reed signings.
Kyrie wants to be traded out of Cleveland. Relevant parts of Brian Windhorst's article.
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/20124505/kyrie-irving-seeking-trade-cleveland-cavaliers
I'm sure LeBron's pumped that this request came after George and Paul were already traded this summer.
But this does put some interesting things in play if it actually goes anywhere.
But this does put some interesting things in play if it actually goes anywhere.
Sounds to me like Irving knows James isn't sticking around in Cleveland and wants to get our early.
My first thought too. Won't happen but man oh man are things lining up well for the Celtics long term.
If this is true, Kyrie has a wildly overinflated understanding of his talent. No team is going to win a championship if Kyrie is the best player on it.
Edit: I suppose he's not technically saying that in the quote. Maybe Kyrie values having his "own team" more than winning a championship.
Kyrie is a top 15, maybe top 10 point guard in the NBA. I will be interested to see what he gets if they actually trade him.
If Kyrie wanted his own team, he'd just have to wait a year for LeBron to go to the Lakers. I think he probably knows this is happening and is trying to get ahead of it so he doesn't waste his prime on a garbage Cleveland team with so few assets.
I bet the Spurs would love to get their hands on him but they clearly don't have the assets to get it done.
I bet the Spurs would love to get their hands on him but they clearly don't have the assets to get it done.
I think it's pretty well understood that World B Flat is something of a moron, so I'm not sure that we should be surprised that his view might not make any sense.
That said, a Crowder/Thomas/IT trade would actually be pretty good value for Cleveland and make for an incredibly interesting Eastern Conference Finals. Granted, a Cleveland team led by an angry LeBron would almost certainly destroy the Kyrie led Cs, but at least it would be fun. For the Cs the biggest concern is that Kyrie seems like something of a nutjob, more concerned about being the man than actually winning...
But if he doesn't want to play with LBJ, then stay if LBJ is leaving.
Of course, they won't be all that good, but that was the case when he got there.
Last season, the Cavs were outscored by 90 points in 574 minutes when Irving played and James didn't. In the playoffs, they were outscored by 30 points in 61 minutes.
The rumored Irving / CP3 trade last summer looks like it woukd have been pretty good for both teams in retrospect.
I'm way behind so someone fill me in - why is Lebron leaving CLE next summer? the guy seems to want to move every 4 years
Oddly it seems CLE whether by LeBron's direction or not has sold out any future assets for aging vets to maximize the current window. LeBron now realizes that it's not enough to beat GSW and he remembered he still hates Gilbert.
What are realistic fits at this point for Kyrie. MIA, MIL, DEN? Do any of them have anything that CLE wants?
What are realistic fits at this point for Kyrie. MIA, MIL, DEN? Do any of them have anything that CLE wants?
Would it be crazy for the Cavs to trade LBJ for youth/picks and start over? They could easily win the fan base over by saying they knew James was going to leave again.
Maybe a Cavs thread?
However... How does Kyrie not have the idea to do this three weeks ago? Hell, two weeks ago...
He made his demands of Wolves, Knicks, Spurs, or Heat. Those teams don't look so appealing to the Cavs in terms of return. Phoenix has to be high on the list. Kryie for Bledsoe and more is the starting point.
However... How does Kyrie not have the idea to do this three weeks ago? Hell, two weeks ago...
He made his demands of Wolves, Knicks, Spurs, or Heat. Those teams don't look so appealing to the Cavs in terms of return. Phoenix has to be high on the list. Kryie for Bledsoe and more is the starting point.
LeBron has a no-trade clause so he'd have to agree to the destination, and it doesn't sound like he has any interest in leaving this year. If he wanted to pull a Paul George he would have done so much earlier in the off-season.
No interest in the Cs getting Irving. Save the assets for a bigger impact player. The delta between him and Thomas isn't that great, especially on D.
I would not want Kyrie. He is a solid player, but he is also an idiot who doesn't like doing the small stuff teammates have to do in order to win rings. And we already have an all-offense star point guard on the roster if that it your thing.
This. I think he simply doesn't want to be in Cleveland any more.
He hates Dan Gilbert, has a house in Los Angeles and is unhappy with the Cavs' roster.
Feel bad for Cavs fans. This is going to crap pretty fast. Hope they enjoyed that ring, it's going to be a while for the next one.
Meh, Cavs now are in pretty much the same situation Celtics were in 2013 - set themselves up perfectly for multiple championships over 3-4 years but due to bad luck only won one. Celtics fans still look back pretty fondly on those years so I'd suspect Cavs fans do as well, especially given how they won and the fact it broke their championship drought.
It does? Per NBA Trade Machine those three combined make just over $18 million. LeBron James is due to make over $33 million next year. Seems like the only way to not include Horford and pull off a trade for LeBron is to trade all of Crowder, Thomas, Smart, Brown and Morris. That's five rotation players plus (presumably) a collection of draft picks (including, at the very least, the Lakers pick next year). Of course, if you knew LeBron would commit long-term this is a trade that you do regardless, but it seems like the only way that LeBron would stay in Boston after next season would be if a LeBron led Cs team could beat the Warriors in the Finals. Would a Horford/Hayward/James big three (backed up by a shallow bench) have any chance of defeating GS? The answers is almost certainly no, which would mean that after cashing in all their chips to get him LeBron would probably walk after one season with the Cs...
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One interesting side note in all of this: Does this mean that the LeBron to the Lakers rumors are overblown? Presumably if that were the lock that everybody is making it out to be, Kyrie would have his own team in a year anyhow.
LeBron is close to untradeable.
- He has a no trade clause.
- There are few teams that can clear up the cap room to get him without gutting their roster.
- It is almost impossible to work out a deal that gives the Cavs fair value while also protecting the team trading for him from the high probability that he will walk away after the year.
yeah my bad, I misread th epost and thought it was a Kyrie reference. Lebron isn't happening.
I don't know. If the Cavaliers are certain LeBron is leaving after next season (and they might already know this) they have to consider trading him. And if LeBron is planning on leaving he'd have to consider accepting a trade. Next season could get exceedingly uncomfortable for all sides if they all know an ugly divorce is about to happen. Even if the return is only Horford and the Lakers pick, that's a lot of value for a player that you are one year away from losing for nothing. It also allows Gilbert to prevent LeBron from dumping him again, and all the negative publicity that comes of that when LeBron inevitably blames ownership as he walks away..
If he would waive it to Boston,the C's wouldn't have to gut their roster. Horford plus a couple young players and the Nets/Lakers picks would be pretty good value IMO.
Except LeBron can control where he goes, and if he tells Gilbert "I'll only accept a deal to the Lakers", Gilbert is in a tough spot. LeBron isn't going to want the Lakers to give up Ball or Ingram if he's going to go there and the Lakers will know they don't have any competition to force them to include one of those guys in an offer. It's like Melo to NYK all over again. If it's a deal that LeBron doesn't like, he just pulls his NTC and kills everything.
But if he really doesn't want to be in Cleveland anymore and plans to leave after the season he may be happy to accept any trade that lands him with a team that can contend. LA would be an unlikely choice as -even with LeBron - it's not clear that they have the makings of a contender. Their main hope for contention is to be able to pull in both LeBron and George next season. LeBron going to a different contender (like the Cs) would not only allow him to get away from Gilbert, but give him a chance at mixing things up in his quest to defeat GS. For LeBron, it would be pretty low risk. Barring injury, there is no chance a LeBron led Celtics team doesn't end up in the Finals against the Warriors. If this happens, the worst case scenario is a repeat of the 2017 Finals, which LeBron probably already expects if he stays with Cleveland. At least if he switches to the Cs (or a different contender) he gets a chance to mix things up a bit while getting away from an owner he hates. If in the end a LeBron led Cs doesn't do any better against the Warriors than Cleveland did, he takes off to LA and teams with George in 2018-2019.
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