Given that he just re-signed Tavon Wilson, maybe it says his taste in DBs is horrible
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That's the 3rd NFL contract for a guy drafted in the 2nd round that no one ever heard of before or during the draft.
How many 2nd round draft picks actually get to a 3rd contract? 20%? 10%?
This makes the draft pick look a lot different in hindsight.
How many 2nd round draft picks actually get to a 3rd contract? 20%? 10%?
This makes the draft pick look a lot different in hindsight.
Tavon wilson generally grades out as a pretty decent safety with the exception of last season when he played with a torn biceps. He's a solid player.
Jets trade up to #3 pick in the draft. They trade the Colts the #6 pick, 2 2nds this year, and a 2019 2nd. Wow.
They better not be targeting 1 specific guy. If he isn’t there at 3, they’re screwed. That’s the downside of the deal.
If you are giving up that much, you better move up to the point where you are confident you are getting an NFL-ready QB.
Of course, it’s the Jets, so ...
Of course, it’s the Jets, so ...
I mean they drafted Sanchize and then Geno and then Hack, what could possibly go wrong
But the big cat on theganggreen is giddy.
http://forums.theganggreen.com/threads/jets-acquire-3-overall-pick.90145/#post-3669487
Were they? What are the comps for moving up this close in the top of the 1st round?
That’s what matters, not whether you or I would do the deal or think it’s crazy.
If the Jets wanted to be guaranteed a QB and lock it up before draft day they had to get to #3. They overpaid but only lost one first round pick and I have to believe that ARI and BUF were competing for this pick as well. I think this was a good move for the Jets.
Bears 49ers last year is somewhat close. The Bears moved up one spot to #2 overall, and they gave up a third and fourth in that draft, plus a third in the next draft.
Great trade for Indy. Trading down makes a ton of sense for teams that have high picks but are stable at quarterback. ETA - teams that are picking high but stable at QB are pretty rare, I guess.
Here’s some recent analysis on the hypothetical cost of a trade from 7 to 3, from Tampa Bay Bucs’ perspective.
http://m.buccaneers.com/news/article-smith/The-Cost-of-a-Deal-Trade-Up-Scenarios/ae6b5880-1fbf-4c71-8b08-a86f063395fd
http://m.buccaneers.com/news/article-smith/The-Cost-of-a-Deal-Trade-Up-Scenarios/ae6b5880-1fbf-4c71-8b08-a86f063395fd
I know it's not 100% accurate anymore but they essentially traded:
#6 (1,600)
#37 (530)
#49 (410)
2019 2nd (420) - generously giving them middle of the round value on that
for
#3 (2,200)
So assuming they somehow end up middle of the pack next year, which is a stretch, they essentially overpaid by the equivalent of the #23 pick in the draft (760).
Considering they have two variables in front of them, as no one knows what CLE and NYG are going to do or who will be left at 3, yes, I think it's fair to say they were fleeced. Which is to say nothing of the fact that teams could still trade up in front of them and they're sitting there with the third QB available. That's a steep price.
Unless I’m reading that article incorrectly - very possible - it tells me that the Jets overpaid by quite a lot for a move from 6 to 3.
In the end, it comes down to how good the pick is. If they get a guy who becomes a solid NFL QB, it will be worth it.
Edit: beaten by DrewDawg. (And autocorrect.)
In the end, it comes down to how good the pick is. If they get a guy who becomes a solid NFL QB, it will be worth it.
Edit: beaten by DrewDawg. (And autocorrect.)
Well, hat tells you - he's proposing the Bucs give up a third or high second to move from 7 to 3. The Jets just gave up 3 seconds to move from 6 to 3.
I get that these point systems have some legitimacy as a guide but I’m happy they are going for a QB if they like 3 of them. My concern is, I’m not sure they are good at evaluating QBs.
If it a Bortles or a Goff they get, the trade is shit. If they get a Wentz or Wilson, it’s a big win.
It’s a great trade for the Colts if Luck is healthy.
Assuming the target is a QB, they almost had to move up though. It does give the impression that both the Colts and Jets think Allen/Darnold/Rosen/Mayfield (in some order) are all going to be taken within the top 5 picks.
Looks as though they wanted to get above the Browns' second pick. If Cleveland was thinking Barkley at 1, then their choice of QBs at 4. Of course, the Browns have enough draft capital to do a 4 for 2 swap with the Giants.
Your first concern should be they're the Jets.
I get that you need to make a move, but you have a lot of needs. McCown played well last year, Fitzy played well the year before and you still were awful. It's not like inserting a QB prospect - at the cost of four other top 50 picks - is making you a contender.
All rivalry aside, while I understand you like the aggressiveness and have been aching for a QB since Namath, I think it was a bad trade. Even if they hit, it was still an overpay, if not an RG3 level. I base that in large part on the uncertainty of who will be there when their card is called - I find it hard to believe they couldn't have this cued up for draft day. If the guy they waned was there, then get into a bidding war. Don't do it in March.
The coach is controlling him like it’s a video game right? Maybe that’s good enough, idk. Seems like that head coach could do that with a lot of guys but maybe not.
Everything you say is valid, but end of the day I’ll take the chance on the QB and use money to solve the other problems.
The collective we want your team mired in the Kevin O’Connor, Ryan Mallet, Matt Cassel, Rohan Davey draft zip codes, to be honest. We’re Pats fans.
You’re way better off near the top of a draft with several pretty good draft prospects. It’s still no better than 50/50, maybe 1 out of 3 — but that’s vastly better than the alternative. Cousins would have been nice, but that was out of your control.
And let’s be clear — nobody “knows” how to do this, whether the Jets, the Pats or anyone else. It’s a rare occasion and no more than a well researched and educated judgement call.
And maybe it's not so much about a guy they like as much as a guy they don't like. There's Darnold, Mayfield, Allen and Rosen and perhaps they see three of them as legit.
Edit: And moving to two or one was an even higher price that didn't seem worth it since three were legit.
Edit: And moving to two or one was an even higher price that didn't seem worth it since three were legit.
Will be great to see them beef up the OL after Luck’s shoulder has been irrevocably messed up.
I had to Google Couch-McNabb-Smith to get which Smith it was (obv. not Alex). So, Akili Smith, who sounds like he should be a member of the Brady 6 but he wasn't. Donovan McNabb they'd be ecstatic with, but other than him, it shows what a crapshoot drafting QBs is.
My theory about this draft is that Giants are in GFIN mode and have a massive hard on for Barkley. Going to be interesting if the Browns draft Barkley. Do the Giants upset poor Eli and go with a QB at 2? That’s the smart move, but I’m not at all confident it’s their move. If I’m the Browns I tell them flat out I’m taking Barkley and see if we can scare them into a trade up.
I came to this thread to mock and laugh at the jets. I'm honestly surprised that anybody thinks its a good move. This was dumber than the Philadelphia/Sam Bradford trade (though an unintended consequence was getting a far better coach who drafted an entirely different QB).
1: Browns
2: Giants
3: Colts (now jets)
4: Browns
5: Broncos
6: Jets (now colts)
The Broncos got "their guy". I don't think Elway is stupid enough to draft a QB on top of that, since that would be a fucking expensive move. The Colts were never drafting a QB (they have two already). The browns are taking a QB, for sure, but won't take two. Let's assume that the Browns draft a QB fourth.
While it is possible that a number of these teams will decide to trade down, as of this trade, the Jets were likely to have one of the top 3 QBs in the draft. Of course, this assumes that these teams make intelligent moves; so far it appears the Colts have.
Yes, completely. Your own cited article says as much. They gave up three second rounders to move up three slots in the 1st round. Its indicative of a woefully incompetent ownership and FO to approve that trade. Almost Browns-esque...
Not really, the top 6 picks are below, strikethroughs indicate picks that were unlikely to be used on drafting a QB:
2: Giants
4: Browns
6: Jets (now colts)
The Broncos got "their guy". I don't think Elway is stupid enough to draft a QB on top of that, since that would be a fucking expensive move. The Colts were never drafting a QB (they have two already). The browns are taking a QB, for sure, but won't take two. Let's assume that the Browns draft a QB fourth.
While it is possible that a number of these teams will decide to trade down, as of this trade, the Jets were likely to have one of the top 3 QBs in the draft. Of course, this assumes that these teams make intelligent moves; so far it appears the Colts have.
That's the only explanation for this trade, which is why it is so dumb. The trade may drive the Browns to draft a QB with the top pick (since they may not be able to with the 4th anymore), so it doesn't change anything if your interest is one guy among 3 QBs.
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post hoc ergo propter hoc, good buddy. It's a great trade for the colts. period.
Turning to money to solve problems in a tight cap system usually fails to pan out.
EDIT: Wait, you think Goff is a bad QB?
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2765077-johnathan-hankins-released-by-colts-after-year-1-of-27m-contract
Colts have released DT Johnathan Hankins. I'm surprised to say DT is not really a need for the Pats and he will probably cost too much, but he is a very good player.
Colts have released DT Johnathan Hankins. I'm surprised to say DT is not really a need for the Pats and he will probably cost too much, but he is a very good player.
Well, I’m assuming Indy knows their QB situation.
As for Goff, maybe I shouldn’t have used him as an example because I don’t know if he is good. He might be.
They cleared the cap and are going to get a QB they believe in. Good enough for me.
I can’t read evaluate this because I have no clue about how to evaluate college QBs. I hope Bates and the GM do.
I wanted them to take Watson last year and everyone said at the time it was bad value so I’m a little skeptical of NFL heads talking about value.
The Giants are in the wrong division for GFIN mode. And Solder's a start but they still have a lot of holes to patch on both sides of the ball.
With a new GM and coach it (IMO) makes more sense for building for the future. Not a lot of pressure for these guys to win now, just don't be an embarrassment and be better than the Jets. Way more pressure on Mac and Bowles to deliver this year.
As we touched on earlier if they could get a #1 or a comparable package for OBJ, I'd trade him. He's a PitA and a team distraction. If the Browns go for Barkely the Giants at #2 have their pick of QBs, or they could trade for a boatload of picks to a team that really wants Darnold/Rosen/Mayfield/Allen, and perhaps still get a QB to takeover from an aging quickly Opie and fill some holes to boot.