2023-24 Yankees Offseason Discussion

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jon abbey said:
NY picks up former CLE OF Oscar Gonzalez off waivers, now their 40 man is at 37. Gonzalez was dreadful last year but is still pretty young, 26 in January, and was pretty solid in 2022. He had the game-winning RBI in game 3 of the ALDS against NY. Maybe @Sad Sam Jones can tell us if he thinks there's any potential here, but anyway the 40 man spot was open.
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I am perhaps an irrational fan of Oscar. Being a fan of the Akron RubberDucks beyond whatever future value the prospects there may offer the Guardians, I have a little extra attachment to the guys who break out there. In short, this news pisses me off as does the way Oscar was mishandled. He earned every chance he was given by the Guardians and as soon as he struggled they gave up on him in favor of Will Brennan and Gabriel Arias, who were playing worse than he was. Brennan improved somewhat with the increased playing time, but seems to have a pretty limited ceiling. Arias has continued to fail upwards into bigger roles based on potential he's never tapped into.

Gonzalez will probably never have long-term success unless he improves his plate discipline, but he does have surprisingly good contact skills for a big guy. It wouldn't surprise me if he's a guy who can string together a few useful power seasons after he gets two or three chances like a Jesus Aguilar or Domingo Santana type.
 
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Sad Sam Jones said:
I am perhaps an irrational fan of Oscar. Being a fan of the Akron RubberDucks beyond whatever future value the prospects there may offer the Guardians, I have a little extra attachment to the guys who break out there. In short, this news pisses me off as does the way Oscar was mishandled. He earned every chance he was given by the Guardians and as soon as he struggled they gave up on him in favor of Will Brennan and Gabriel Arias, who were playing worse than he was. Brennan improved somewhat with the increased playing time, but seems to have a pretty limited ceiling. Arias has continued to fail upwards into bigger roles based on potential he's never tapped into.

Gonzalez will probably never have long-term success unless he improves his plate discipline, but he does have surprisingly good contact skills for a big guy. It wouldn't surprise me if he's a guy who can string together a few useful power seasons after he gets two or three chances like a Jesus Aguilar or Domingo Santana type.
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Thank you!

And sorry for your loss, after I posted the above, I went back and searched for your previous mentions of him and I got the sense you were probably pretty bummed about it.

How is his defense? Some seem to think adequate, some think pretty lousy.
 
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Yeah. Go after him hard as a FA next off-season. Try to get more pieces in place this year.

It sucks, but I'm not confident the offense can rebuilt in one season even with Soto on board.
 
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Sounds like when the Yankees wouldn't give up Hughes and Kennedy and Melky for Santana and the Red Sox wouldn't give up Lester and Ellsbury and Lowrie....I think I'm remembering that correctly. So the Twins ended up with Carlos Gomez.
 
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EvilEmpire said:
Yeah. Go after him hard as a FA next off-season. Try to get more pieces in place this year.

It sucks, but I'm not confident the offense can rebuilt in one season even with Soto on board.
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How do the Yanks do this? 2025 would have commit of roughly $136M to Judge/Cole/Stanton/Rodon. Add Soto at say at least $40M per. $175M with five players? I am genuinely curious as to how this could work.... I think 2025 gate is $241M - So you have less than $70M to allocate to 21 players? Seems like an impossible needle to thread.....
 
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I just don't think the Yankees go after him unless (assuming he produces) they intend to sign him long term. There are too many holes on this team to go all in for just next season.

On the positive side, there is a lot of young talent on the team now and in the pipeline. Some of those cheap young guys are going to help the budget quite a bit if they can produce well enough to stick at the major league level.
 
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21st Century Sox said:
How do the Yanks do this? 2025 would have commit of roughly $136M to Judge/Cole/Stanton/Rodon. Add Soto at say at least $40M per. $175M with five players? I am genuinely curious as to how this could work.... I think 2025 gate is $241M - So you have less than $70M to allocate to 21 players? Seems like an impossible needle to thread.....
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No it's pretty easy, it's the Steve Cohen method of no longer caring about any of the tax limits.

Also Stanton's AAV is $22M, not his actual salary, so those four are actually $125 total AAV each year going forward.
 
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I will read more about this later, but I would have much rather had Kepler for a similar role and presumably a similar price.
 
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Why would the Padres want Verdugo for one year?
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Well, it gives them an outfielder on a set salary that they don't have to make a long-term investment in as they work through what the death of their owner means to their already odd financial situation. That's not much to hang a hat on, but it's the only thing I can come up with
 
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Well, it gives them an outfielder on a set salary that they don't have to make a long-term investment in as they work through what the death of their owner means to their already odd financial situation. That's not much to hang a hat on, but it's the only thing I can come up with
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Also, they could extend him as part of the trade negotiations. Or let him see how awesome SD is to live in and hope he re-ups.

That said, SD already seems to have a weird clubhouse and adding Verdugo wouldn't help.
 
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Also you lose the ability to threaten Gleyber and Verdugo with being traded for each other if they're on the same team.
 
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"Talks have reignited and intensified between the Yankees and the Padres." - @JackCurryYES
 
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The Yankees are comfortable with playing Aaron Judge "a lot" in centerfield if they are able to acquire Juan Soto, per @martinonyc
 
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Verdugo should sit against lefties, but he had a good DRS number this year in Fenway's big RF, +9, which was the 6th most DRS for any AL OF.

https://www.fieldingbible.com/drs-leaders/players?position=789

So NY will have five roster spots for OF/DH, while they wait for Dominguez: Judge, Verdugo, Stanton and Pereira currently in four of them (Florial, Cabrera, Oscar Gonzalez also on the 40 man).

They will add one more, hopefully his name rhymes with Ron Hoho.
 
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jon abbey said:
Verdugo should sit against lefties, but he had a good DRS number this year in Fenway's big RF, +9, which was the 6th most DRS for any AL OF.

https://www.fieldingbible.com/drs-leaders/players?position=789

So NY will have five roster spots for OF/DH, while they wait for Dominguez: Judge, Verdugo, Stanton and Pereira currently in four of them (Florial, Cabrera, Oscar Gonzalez also on the 40 man).

They will add one more, hopefully his name rhymes with Ron Hoho.
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And, Verdugo is a much cheaper version of Bellinger (I know these stats are cherrypicked, but still):

View: https://twitter.com/mike_petriello/status/1732222003677999109?s=20
 
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I'm increasingly OK with Michael King being the main chip in a Soto deal. He looked amazing down the stretch but not sure you can count on him for a full SP load, and he is only controlled for two more seasons.

Guys I really don't want to see in this deal who have been rumored to maybe be in there are Spencer Jones and Will Warren, fingers crossed.
 
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I'm increasingly OK with Michael King being the main chip in a Soto deal. He looked amazing down the stretch but not sure you can count on him for a full SP load, and he is only controlled for two more seasons.

Guys I really don't want to see in this deal who have been rumored to maybe be in there are Spencer Jones and Will Warren, fingers crossed.
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That’s exactly right. But traded guys that are or have been 6/7/8’s on the depth chart seems like a very smart move for Soto,
 
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Last night Curry stayed live until midnight or later I think. My gut tells me that he wouldn't do that if the trade or something else wasn't close. If the trade happened today I wouldn't be shocked.
 
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And yes, I hate to lose King. He's going to be great, but I'm okay with it for a player who is the best offensive player aside from Judge that we've had in the last 10 years.
 
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My birthday is tomorrow (14 hours from now), last year Cashman kindly got me Judge, this year Soto would be very welcome.
 
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If the Yankees sign Yamamoto then you actually get younger by trading away King. Yamamoto + Soto offseason to maximize Judge and Cole window seems like good business. Terrifying for the division
 
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