FIBA World Cup 2023
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man, what a shitty game by the USA. Played most of the 1st and all of the 3rd like it was a pickup game, and couldn't make up for it in the rest of the minutes. Going down to a team led by Daniel Theis, Dennis Schroeder, the Moritz brothers, and Isaac Bonga. What a world, what a world.
on the other hand, we play Canada for the bronze... (at 4:40am on Sunday)
on the other hand, we play Canada for the bronze... (at 4:40am on Sunday)
For the best, he was the most disappointing player on the roster (and I don't think it's close). I believe he averaged more ppg this past year than anyone else on the team, but he's 9th in the tournament. He was one of the oldest guys on the roster, and he looked like he didn't belong.
I read this ESPN article:
"The U.S. played a spirited and aggressive game. The team was just too small, and it showed up repeatedly, just as it did against Lithuania last weekend in the previous loss....the German NBA big men feasted. Franz Wagner finished with 22 points and Daniel Theis had 21."
I'm sorry, but a team whose bigs are Franz Wagner and Daniel Theis should never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever be able to dominate a US national team inside. Yes they may be a tick bigger, but my word that's.....terrible. Absolutely terrible.
Wagner is just 6'9" and averaged 4.1 rebounds a game last year (in 33 min/g). Theis...well...we know all about him. Just 6'8", who averages 4.9 rebounds a game over his career. Legit NBA players, yes, absolutely. But good enough to "dominate" inside against the US? Holy crap.
"The U.S. played a spirited and aggressive game. The team was just too small, and it showed up repeatedly, just as it did against Lithuania last weekend in the previous loss....the German NBA big men feasted. Franz Wagner finished with 22 points and Daniel Theis had 21."
I'm sorry, but a team whose bigs are Franz Wagner and Daniel Theis should never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever be able to dominate a US national team inside. Yes they may be a tick bigger, but my word that's.....terrible. Absolutely terrible.
Wagner is just 6'9" and averaged 4.1 rebounds a game last year (in 33 min/g). Theis...well...we know all about him. Just 6'8", who averages 4.9 rebounds a game over his career. Legit NBA players, yes, absolutely. But good enough to "dominate" inside against the US? Holy crap.
Yeah this is pathetic. It's one thing to note that most of the very best big men in the game are international and not feel ashamed about getting clowned by Giannis or Jokic (or even KAT or a stiff but legit giant like Gobert), it's another thing to lose to the undersized end of the rotation big men on the German roster (outside of Wagner, who is also the only player on their team who should be able to legit compete with the USA team). If size was the only problem, maybe play Kessler, Banchero and Portis more than a combined 26 minutes.
First of all this USA team has low end talent. I get Reaves is a Laker, but for him to be on a team of the USA's best is laughable. He is 4th best American on a 7th place team. As I said I think the USA does this on purpose to get KD, Tatum, et al to play in the Olympics. I expect LBJ has already signed a Netflix deal for "Redeem Team 2." As we speak he workshopping the speech he will make with his acting coaches. But, a USA team with a chip on the shoulder is terrifying.
There are tons of coaches in the USA and Canada that don't teach post play at all. If they do they teach the crab walk to the middle jump hook, with a spin the other way. On Canada Powell and Olynyk are both weak scoring around the hoop. If Powell can't dunk it he won't score and Kelly needs to a foul or he isn't scoring. SGA has an array of post moves, turn around, drop, up and under, that were once standard for any starting forward in college but now lost for North American Bigs.
The European kids are much better at using their bodies to finish, and finishing with contact. 30 years ago I would never have believed anybody would surpass the USA at this. Some of this is rather than having elite age group teams the best players play against older guys, in very physical leagues. Kids in these situations learn to use their bodies, have quick footwork, or they will never score against bigger, older guys. Big kids here catch and dunk against guys their own age as the guards have the ball all the time. While in the USA and Canada kids go down a position (a 2 become a 1, a 5 a 4 or 3) as they go up levels, Euro kids often go the other way. Young Gasols play on the wing until the grow into forwards. We have lost our way so much on NBA network the other day they were actually debating if Shaq could play in today's NBA.
There are tons of coaches in the USA and Canada that don't teach post play at all. If they do they teach the crab walk to the middle jump hook, with a spin the other way. On Canada Powell and Olynyk are both weak scoring around the hoop. If Powell can't dunk it he won't score and Kelly needs to a foul or he isn't scoring. SGA has an array of post moves, turn around, drop, up and under, that were once standard for any starting forward in college but now lost for North American Bigs.
The European kids are much better at using their bodies to finish, and finishing with contact. 30 years ago I would never have believed anybody would surpass the USA at this. Some of this is rather than having elite age group teams the best players play against older guys, in very physical leagues. Kids in these situations learn to use their bodies, have quick footwork, or they will never score against bigger, older guys. Big kids here catch and dunk against guys their own age as the guards have the ball all the time. While in the USA and Canada kids go down a position (a 2 become a 1, a 5 a 4 or 3) as they go up levels, Euro kids often go the other way. Young Gasols play on the wing until the grow into forwards. We have lost our way so much on NBA network the other day they were actually debating if Shaq could play in today's NBA.
I do miss post play. when Al Jefferson suddenly couldn't miss a hook shot his second or third year it was extremely fun to watch.
Slovenia edges Italy for 7th place.
Latvia is currently finishing up blowing Lithuania off the court for 5th.
RIP to anyone getting up for the bronze medal match tomorrow at 4:40am. Reggie, we salute thee. I'll catch some of the Final over breakfast though.
Latvia is currently finishing up blowing Lithuania off the court for 5th.
RIP to anyone getting up for the bronze medal match tomorrow at 4:40am. Reggie, we salute thee. I'll catch some of the Final over breakfast though.
Latvia plays with a lot of pride in every sport. Even more so when facing Lithuania, Estonia or Russia
This is a shocking result to me at least on paper
Just imagine what Latvia could have done with a healthy Porzingis. As it was, their loss to Germany was closer (79-81) than the USA's was.
ha! I just watched the highlights, where he gets cooked a few times in the last minutes.
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RIP to anyone getting up for the bronze medal match tomorrow at 4:40am. Reggie, we salute thee. I'll catch some of the Final over breakfast though.
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I just did my first full day of coaching since my heart attack. I am wiped out, so I will pvr that game.
I think USA will play really hard. They don't want Canada beating them. If I am coaching USA I say "they think this is rivalry. Let's show them how far they still have to come."
RIP to anyone getting up for the bronze medal match tomorrow at 4:40am. Reggie, we salute thee. I'll catch some of the Final over breakfast though.
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I just did my first full day of coaching since my heart attack. I am wiped out, so I will pvr that game.
I think USA will play really hard. They don't want Canada beating them. If I am coaching USA I say "they think this is rivalry. Let's show them how far they still have to come."
Canada up 9 to start the 4th.
Shai now also at 20+ points.
Edit: And it's tied on a 12:3 US run to start Q4.
Shai now also at 20+ points.
Edit: And it's tied on a 12:3 US run to start Q4.
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I wish the semifinal hadn't been on either, awful basketball that I wish I hadn't watched.
I've only been watching the second half but Serbia is not getting a good whistle. Screwed on a couple non-calls that became fast breaks the other way, got a tech for complaining about it. And now they're getting some soft makeup calls too. (they're just like the NBA!)
Went from a tie game to 11 point Germany lead in a few minutes of refball.
Went from a tie game to 11 point Germany lead in a few minutes of refball.
Serbia cuts it to as little as 2 late, but then throws it away on a bad entry pass. It's Joever, Deutschland takes it.
