I'm not sure how great a fit he would have been. Great shot-blocking and a stretch 4, both of which help, but not really a rebounder.Ibaka would have been a great fit, but there wasn't really a deal to be made for Boston. Boston's trade assets are too valuable to give up for a year of Ibaka.
does Serge Ibaka work better for the Raptors than Paul Milsap?Replacing some of Sully/Nogueria's minutes with Ibaka is huge for Toronto, but losing Ross hurts their bench. Good thing they're 4 GB because I think it helps them overall.
No, but I think Millsap is a much better overall player than Ibaka is. Either way Valanciunas and Ibaka is a very solid frontcourt. And that's less minutes for Sullinger which is a plus.does Serge Ibaka work better for the Raptors than Paul Milsap?
I don't know if I've ever been more baffled by a plan than the one the magic have done the last two years.both picks will likely be close to one another. not a bad return on Ibaka. Obviously that trade looka horrible, but at least they cut their losses and got some value in return.
For the relative costs involved? Yes.does Serge Ibaka work better for the Raptors than Paul Milsap?
2017 Bebe > 2017 Ibaka.Replacing some of Sully/Nogueria's minutes with Ibaka is huge for Toronto, but losing Ross hurts their bench. Good thing they're 4 GB because I think it helps them overall.
Plus wasted two thirds of a season of their best prospect playing out of position!I don't know if I've ever been more baffled by a plan than the one the magic have done the last two years.
The magic traded tobias Harris, oladipo, and sabonis for a half season each of Brandon Jennings and illysova, 50 games of ibaka and Terrance ross. And a pick In the 20s.
Plus the BB signing and Jeff Green deal (which is only 1 year but still)
Exactly! Maybe they will stop botching Aaron Gordon now.Plus wasted two thirds of a season of their best prospect playing out of position!
Noel (and Stauskas for salary ballast) for Bradley is a good roster fit both ways and a fair trade.I'm starting to think that Bradley might be expendable. He is not the greatest fit with IT (defensively), a choice on Smart-IT-Bradley is looming, the apparent reluctance to include Rozier in potential rentals, and his salary is desirable - all make him a desirable commodity for the Celtics to move and for other teams to acquire. I could see him in move for someone like Vucevic (maybe not the best example)without losing a ton of flexibility to bring in another all-star.
Every team competing for a championship needs a player like Bradley. Inevitably a team needs defensive stops in a half court game. Even better if he can shoot a jumper. Thomas is NOT that player. If you think the Celtics won't be competitive fast enough to utilize Bradley's elite defensive skillset then it makes sense. Otherwise why trade a piece you will need?I'm starting to think that Bradley might be expendable. He is not the greatest fit with IT (defensively), a choice on Smart-IT-Bradley is looming, the apparent reluctance to include Rozier in potential rentals, and his salary is desirable - all make him a desirable commodity for the Celtics to move and for other teams to acquire. I could see him in move for someone like Vucevic (maybe not the best example)without losing a ton of flexibility to bring in another all-star.
someone tell Masai Ujiri before he hands Ibaka that big contract this summerIbaka is scoring at one the most efficient rates of his career (taking and making more 3p and having a great season at the line) which is good. However his rebounding is just above last year's career lows and his blocks are at career lows however you measure it. Defensively, whether you use DBPM or DRTG, he is having his worst season though I suspect you can chalk some of that up to Orlando's overall weakness and usage. Its worth reiterating (someone mentioned this upthread) that though Ibaka "turned 27" this past fall, many of his stats have shown a decline over the past three or four years - supporting a completely unsubstantiated theory circulating among NBA-heads that he is actually a fair bit older than an age at which he should be peaking.
This isn't to say that Ibaka won't help Toronto but he is clearly in a decline phase and some of the skills Toronto acquired him for aren't coming as easily as they once did. I don't know that this is such a clear-cut win for the Raptors.
Ibaka's impact is going to depend heavily on how they manage Patterson's minutes. If they find enough minutes for Patterson, I'm onboard with this move. If Ibaka's minutes come at the expense of Patterson, I'm not sure the upgrade is substantial enough to move the needle a ton.Replacing some of Sully/Nogueria's minutes with Ibaka is huge for Toronto, but losing Ross hurts their bench. Good thing they're 4 GB because I think it helps them overall.
So you're saying that Danny should sit tight unless Paul George becomes available? I somewhat agree. However, if they can get a big man that can take up space and rebound they should do that.I think RR is largely spot on though I would argue that the Cs are a break or a transformational trade away from getting out of the ECF. Yes Cleveland is daunting even without Love but LeBron is playing the second most minutes in the NBA and this number won't decline anytime soon given Loves absence. This is not conducive to a healthy, well rested set up for the playoffs. So the Cs have a punchers chance of making it out of the East.
That said, nobody is beating the Warriors and the points made earlier about Thomas' liabilities being magnified in the playoffs are valid.
As such, Danny should only make a move if a transformational player somehow becomes available and even then he should be cautious given that two of the three candidates most often mentioned aren't a clear fit on their current roster and may age out before the Cs get to championship contender status.
If that big man is Andrew Bogut, then no. The guy cannot stay on the court. The fact is that there are very few big man candidates out there who are worth the cost.So you're saying that Danny should sit tight unless Paul George becomes available? I somewhat agree. However, if they can get a big man that can take up space and rebound they should do that.
And you have Zizic coming over for next season. I do agree with RedOctober that if there is a rental defensive/rebounding big man who can be had for the figurative bag of basketballs then I'd go for it but you're right outside of Bogut I don't think there is anyone like that on the market. Maybe Tyson Chandler but he'd probably cost more.If that big man is Andrew Bogut, then no. The guy cannot stay on the court. The fact is that there are very few big man candidates out there who are worth the cost.
I wonder if the fact that Ainge wouldn't part with Rozier means that (1) Ainge is really high on Rozier, (2) Ainge doesn't think Ibaka can get them over the hump, or (3) Ainge doesn't think Ibaka is worth Rozier and a future first.Talks for Ibaka stalled over Terry Rozier:
http://www.celticsblog.com/2017/2/14/14611328/source-celtics-orlando-magic-trade-talks-over-serge-ibaka-stalled-out-terry-rozier-toronto-raptors
It might not even matter if they can rebound. Protect the rim for IT's deficiencies and be able to space the floor on offence with an outside shot - that's still worth acquiring.So you're saying that Danny should sit tight unless Paul George becomes available? I somewhat agree. However, if they can get a big man that can take up space and rebound they should do that.
Not many. Two guys I would be looking at are Nikola Mirotic and Al Farouq Aminu. Both are decent rebounders. Both have been terrible from beyond the arc this year but were nearly 40% last year. And both are on losing teams with high payrolls, so an expiring deal like Zeller's plus a non-Brooklyn pick (or picks) might be attractive.I'm not sure how many floor stretching rim protectors exist in the NBA let alone are currently on the trade block.
Both of these guys and especially Mirotic are good from the three perspective but neither rebounds or rim protects that well.Not many. Two guys I would be looking at are Nikola Mirotic and Al Farouq Aminu. Both are decent rebounders. Both have been terrible from beyond the arc this year but were nearly 40% last year. And both are on losing teams with high payrolls, so an expiring deal like Zeller's plus a non-Brooklyn pick (or picks) might be attractive.
As for Ibaka, he looked absolutely terrible when the Celtics played the Magic a few weeks ago. Maybe he'll be rejuvenated in Toronto, but I doubt it.
One interesting thing is the article assumes the deal is simply Butler for the Nets pick. I'd expect it takes more than that, wouldn't others?SI looks at both sides of a Jimmy Butler possibility
http://www.si.com/nba/2017/02/15/boston-celtics-nba-trade-deadline-jimmy-butler-trade
I think Sharp references the idea that one of Crowder, Bradley or Smart would be involved.One interesting thing is the article assumes the deal is simply Butler for the Nets pick. I'd expect it takes more than that, wouldn't others?
Sure there is. Part of Butler's value is helping win this year, and that goes away if they wait. I can easily see Boston wanting to do he deal now but saying no if they are holding the first or second pick on draft day.The other obvious hold-up is the valuation of this year's Brooklyn pick. There's no smart reason for Chicago to make a deal now, unless they can get more, rather than wait to see where the lottery balls fall.