Yeah, expected them to make a big defensive signing and this was on the list of possibilities. Also gives them some insurance if they cant reup Butler.Gilmore is a true shutdown corner. The idea of rolling into next season with Butler and Gilmore maning the two outside corner positions is really exciting.
Well...that and the sack where he spun Jets-Favre around like a drunken square dancing partner before driving him to the turf.I'll always remember him better for torpedoing the locker room.
That's not at all true. Granted, the Pats aren't in salary cap hell and facing the "poison pill" contract scenario. And yes, Butler comes with a first round pick tax. But it's not out of the question that someone offers something for him that Bill won't match. It's entirely possible.I don't think it's that complicated. They have Butler this year regardless, so if anything it is ensuring they have two good corners for '17, and then they have this year to develop Jones or find someone else in the draft.
Butler Gilmore>>> Revis BrownerI don't think it's that complicated. They have Butler this year regardless, so if anything it is ensuring they have two good corners for '17, and then they have this year to develop Jones or find someone else in the draft.
Yup. My memory was that ADT was much better in 08 than 07 until he got hurt.Well...that and the sack where he spun Jets-Favre around like a drunken square dancing partner before driving him to the turf.
If Butler doesn't get an offer from another team he plays for the 1st round tender money next season right?I don't think it's that complicated. They have Butler this year regardless, so if anything it is ensuring they have two good corners for '17, and then they have this year to develop Jones or find someone else in the draft.
He was reasonably solid last season, so Id say no.Is it overly optimistic to think that Rowe with a full camp/learning experience etc can develop into a solid+ CB?
Or maybe butler is going to NO for Cooks.
Hmmm. I could be on board with this.I like the Butler for Cooks idea in a vacuum . Seems like a nice swap. Both 2 years of control i believe.
Bankshot called it, Rowe. I was impressed by him last year.Yup. My memory was that ADT was much better in 08 than 07 until he got hurt.
As for Ryan replacement and Cyrus, is there anyone else currently on the roster who could be a dark horse? Am I misremembering or did Jonathan Jones start getting CB snaps in the last few games of the year?
So let's just say BB heard whispers a team was planning this.. Would you rather have Gilmore as insurance not to be backed into a corner and to be able to take the first rounder or no Gilmore all the FA's are gobbled up( very likely) and only the pick no butler and no one of comparable talent to spend the $ on ?That's not at all true. Granted, the Pats aren't in salary cap hell and facing the "poison pill" contract scenario. And yes, Butler comes with a first round pick tax. But it's not out of the question that someone offers something for him that Bill won't match. It's entirely possible.
The thing is, the teams that would have the necessary cap space to sign Butler are picking near the top of the draft. Would you trade a top 15 pick and shell out a big contract for Butler? I wouldn't in a million years.That's not at all true. Granted, the Pats aren't in salary cap hell and facing the "poison pill" contract scenario. And yes, Butler comes with a first round pick tax. But it's not out of the question that someone offers something for him that Bill won't match. It's entirely possible.
To go from an undrafted guy, to Super Bowl hero, to pro bowler and then to a guy a team gives "max" money PLUS a 1st rounder would be an incredible story. Either way, he's in a hell of a spot.That's not at all true. Granted, the Pats aren't in salary cap hell and facing the "poison pill" contract scenario. And yes, Butler comes with a first round pick tax. But it's not out of the question that someone offers something for him that Bill won't match. It's entirely possible.
I thought Rowe did a pretty decent job coming in mid-season. A big CB who played tight coverage.He was reasonably solid last season, so Id say no.
I have no idea how to verify this beyond using our collective memories but it seemed like there were a bunch of plays where Rowe was right on someone and they made a great catch and/or he was flagged for a weak DPI.I thought Rowe did a pretty decent job coming in mid-season. A big CB who played tight coverage.
I'd be fine with this, honestlyIf Butler plays under the first round tender, then gets franchised next year, in essence the Pats are paying him around $19M for two seasons. Then they could let him walk in 2019 when he turns 29. Not totally out of the question.
I look at it like this--the fact that Brady is a $14m hit instead of $23m gives then room to play. Because of this, it *may* be possible to pay Gilmore and Butler. But likely not Gilmore, Butler, and Hightower.It's early here in Denver, so I may not be thinking clearly - but wouldn't this indicate that they're going to let Butler walk? I cannot imagine the Patriots paying $14m+ per year to two corners, and if Gilmore demands $14m per, what is Butler worth? $16m? $18m?
Revis and Browner probably the closest to that.Rowe and Gilmore both over 5'11". That's unprecedented for the BB era Pats, right?
What makes you believe that? The Pats signed Mayo to an extension in recent memory. If Ed Werder is to be believed, Hightower is looking for 10-13M a year. That seems reasonable to me.I think it's more likely that Hightower is gone than Butler. They'd rather spend the money on a CB than a linebacker.
I'd love for New Orleans to give up the younger, better player under an extra year of control and let the Pats move up 21 spots in the first round, but I don't think that happens...The Patriots could now do Butler and #32 to the Saints for Cooks and #11.
You really think Cooks is the better player than Malcolm Butler? I don't at all.I'd love for New Orleans to give up the younger, better player under an extra year of control and let the Pats move up 21 spots in the first round, but I don't think that happens...
When is the last time players of similar caliber were swapped in the NFL?The Patriots could now do Butler and #32 to the Saints for Cooks and #11.
I agree. I was saying "no, I dont think its too optimistic because he contributed last year". He played pretty well in favorable matchups.I thought Rowe did a pretty decent job coming in mid-season. A big CB who played tight coverage.
Given the age difference, I would probably take Cooks, though Butler is arguably at a more valuable position. I would say they are pretty evenly matched.You really think Cooks is the better player than Malcolm Butler? I don't at all.
Clinton Portis for Champ Bailey?When is the last time players of similar caliber were swapped in the NFL?
In this scenario, would NO and NE be able to collude to some extent where NO makes an offer to Butler, NE matches it and then they trade. I amDianna RussiniVerified account @diannaESPN 7s8 seconds ago
The New England Patriots are considering trading Malcolm Butler to the New Orleans Saints for Brandin Cooks per sources
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The New England Patriots are considering trading Malcolm Butler to the New Orleans Saints for Brandin Cooks per sources
The Jimmy G Franchise/Trade scenario after the season could mess this up.If Butler plays under the first round tender, then gets franchised next year, in essence the Pats are paying him around $19M for two seasons. Then they could let him walk in 2019 when he turns 29. Not totally out of the question.
Because New Orleans doesn't want to lose the pick.In this scenario, would NO and NE be able to collude to some extent where NO makes an offer to Butler, NE matches it and then they trade. I am
Not sure why they would not just sign him and lose the pick, then on a separate but parallel track, flip Cooks for #32?
Both teams would be subject to the Wrath of Roger it they attempted any sort of funny business.In this scenario, would NO and NE be able to collude to some extent where NO makes an offer to Butler, NE matches it and then they trade. I am
Not sure why they would not just sign him and lose the pick, then on a separate but parallel track, flip Cooks for #32?
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Agreed, but in the trade scenario they are losing/using the pick anyway.Because New Orleans doesn't want to lose the pick.
In a hypothetical Butler/32 for Cooks/11 scenario but there's currently no reason to believe something like that is on the table.Agreed, but in the trade scenario they are losing/using the pick anyway.
That's insane. I don't understand the infatuation with Cooks. Please walk away Bill.