Pats sign JuJu Smith-Schuster

[8slim]

It's funny, I was actually looking at some Edelman stats and he only had 8 regular season games with more than 9 catches with the Pats. I would've bet my house on the over there.

Playoff Edelman was the best Edelman, of course. And honestly that's why I think he was a top guy. When the season was on the line, he wreaked havoc.

I hope Kendrick Bourne has a 12/150 in the Wild Card game this year, believe me.

 

[BigSoxFan]

I know nothing about what they would cost, but I would take Higgins, then Ridley, then Evans, then Chark

Higgins is the only one I really want on that list for the price it'll take. Ridley turns 29 in December and Evans is already 30 - don't want to be the one giving either their next contract. Chark doesn't really move the needle for me. Honestly, I think I look at the draft to fill this need. Harrison Jr. will be out of our range but that still leaves guys like Egbuka from Ohio State, Nabers from LSU, Coleman from FSU, Worthy from UT, etc. I really like Egbuka having watched him a bit this year but all of these guys have impressed when I've watched their games. Will be interesting to see SMU's write up on this group when the time comes but feels like a good WR year to my untrained eye.

 

[rodderick]

The thing with Brady and his receivers were that yes Brady would give them an accurate pass but the receiver had to be in sync with Brady on what route they needed to run or convert and where they needed to be. It takes two. To me Brady elevated his OL more than his WRs. He called better protections, identified blitzers, and most importantly knew the limitations of his protection to get the ball out quickly.

I just think of the guys that played actual snaps with him in the offense and had actual roles and weren't corpses like Ochocinco, most of them had their best seasons of their careers with Tom. Troy Brown, David Patten, Deion Branch, Wes Welker, Randy Moss, Reche Caldwell, Brandon LaFell, Chris Hogan, Amendola. Of course, talking only about the players who had substantial time with different quarterbacks in their careers. Sure, he couldn't turn garbage into good (although they did have the 8th best offensive EPA in football in 2013 throwing a whole lot to Aaron Dobson and Kenbrell Thompkins), but I think he did get the most out of guys very consistently. Even the ones who didn't have their very best seasons with Brady like Gaffney or Brandon Lloyd still performed above their medians.

 

[Auger34]

I know nothing about what they would cost, but I would take Higgins, then Ridley, then Evans, then Chark

It's hard to overstate the gulf between the first 3 receivers on this list and DJ Chark.

 

[azsoxpatsfan]

It's hard to overstate the gulf between the first 3 receivers on this list and DJ Chark.

Agree with both you and @BigSoxFan. Higgins is a dawg. Ridley is a beast but yea he’s getting up there, Evans I’ve thought was gonna fall off for like 4 years now and he just consistently drops 1000 yards every year. Chark isn’t in that tier

 

[Joe D Reid]

The overall theme emerging from all of the various offense threads is that merely OK Mac isn't good enough to elevate his merely OK skill group, and the merely OK skill group isn't good enough to insulate its merely OK QB. Somebody has to be actually exceptional for the thing to work at the level needed to compete for a playoff berth. You can build it around different positions or position groups, but it can't be heartbreakingly average turtles all the way down.

 

[azsoxpatsfan]

The overall theme emerging from all of the various offense threads is that merely OK Mac isn't good enough to elevate his merely OK skill group, and the merely OK skill group isn't good enough to insulate its merely OK QB. Somebody has to be actually exceptional for the thing to work at the level needed to compete for a playoff berth. You can build it around different positions or position groups, but it can't be heartbreakingly average turtles all the way down.

This post has single-handedly summarized like 6 different threads. Good job

 

[Joe D Reid]

This post has single-handedly summarized like 6 different threads. Good job

Cross-post and then lock the forum

 

[azsoxpatsfan]

Cross-post and then lock the forum

But then we wouldn’t get to see all the well thought out posts about Mac being the whiny Antichrist and what fun is that?

 

[Bowhemian]

Edit: deleted due to my crappy formatting

 

[InstaFace]

It's hard to overstate the gulf between the first 3 receivers on this list and DJ Chark.

Counterpoint: I can't wait to sing his name to the tune of "Baby Shark".

doot doot doo-doot doo-doo.

 

[8slim]

The overall theme emerging from all of the various offense threads is that merely OK Mac isn't good enough to elevate his merely OK skill group, and the merely OK skill group isn't good enough to insulate its merely OK QB. Somebody has to be actually exceptional for the thing to work at the level needed to compete for a playoff berth. You can build it around different positions or position groups, but it can't be heartbreakingly average turtles all the way down.

Other than needing to include the OL, this pretty much is it.

 

[slamminsammya]

The overall theme emerging from all of the various offense threads is that merely OK Mac isn't good enough to elevate his merely OK skill group, and the merely OK skill group isn't good enough to insulate its merely OK QB. Somebody has to be actually exceptional for the thing to work at the level needed to compete for a playoff berth. You can build it around different positions or position groups, but it can't be heartbreakingly average turtles all the way down.

Extremely well said

 

[Deathofthebambino]

I don’t know why they chose JuJu over at Meyers. But JuJu’s contract is lower than Meyers as is so clearly, Belichick is, at most, paying JuJu to simply replace Meyers, and that is what the market bears. I think it is abundantly clear that they don’t view JuJu as a number one receiver, and they certainly did not offer him number one receiver money. But I agree with your overall point in that they certainly need to get better production out of that position, and they really do need a true number one receiver And I even think that at this point it’s clear they overpaid even for JuJu.

But let’s say they did would you suggest and paid Meyers an extra million per year more and kept him instead of signing JuJu. Would you then the arguing that they see Meyers as a true number one receiver? Or do you think that the Raiders view Meyers as a true number one receiver? He is after all making more money than JuJu, and you argued that JuJu’s contract makes him a number one receiver. so the same would hold for Meyers, right?

Yes, I'd argue that they viewed Meyers as their #1 last year, and would view him as their #1 this year.

I'm not saying because the Pats viewed them that way, means they are actually #1's. I'm saying this is how BB and the Pats, with the exception of Moss have viewed their #1 receiver forever. They don't pay for top tier high end talent at that position, but instead expect one of their #2-#4's to end up with the most catches, but paying guys like Agholor and JuJu the way they have, they damn well better expect those guys to do more than what they are doing. They are being paid to be the best WR's on the team.

To answer your question, yes, I thought they should have paid Meyers what Oakland did, instead of getting JuJu. I was on record here thinking that Meyers was going to get Kirk type money. I was shocked at how little it took, and once again, it didn't matter, it was too much for the Patriots.

@Reverend touched on this. It's a composition issue, and has been going back to 2019 or earlier. They refuse to bring in a true stud #1 and instead insist on trying to turn #2's and #3's into #1's for short money. It's not what you do to a young quarterback, and then compound that with the disaster of the offensive line.

 

[Deathofthebambino]

Not really the topic but Edelman had such a killer instinct/fearlessness that I really believe he’s extremely underrated and there’s only a handful of guys I would’ve taken over him. What is this slander

How can people talk about Edelman without also noting he spent most of his productive years on the field with the greatest tight end of all time, and pass catchers like Vereen/Lewis/White coming out of the backfield. He missed the entire 2017 season, and Cooks was able to step in and go for over 1,000, and Amendola made 60+ catches.

Edelman didn't need be a difference maker, he just needed to be a guy that could beat man out of the slot, which he was, because everyone else was focused on stopping Gronk from eating them alive.

 

[Deathofthebambino]

I think Thornton is the deep threat, Parker they don't seem to be playing him like a deep threat, ADOT for Bourne and Douglas (and Boutte in very limited action) is quite a bit higher. It seems like they are using Bourne on the most deep balls, and he stinks at them (though also, going back to when they had Agholor who is legit good at that 1 thing, Mac is not a great deep ball thrower overall). I'd like to see Thornton eat into Bourne's snaps starting week 5.

Mac is a perfectly fine deep ball thrower. You just have to give him some time to throw it, and guys who can get open deep. He currently has neither and hasn't since he got here, but this video should be all anyone needs to see to understand he can absolutely throw the deep ball:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fhttS706yc


Of course, the two guys catching most of those passes are now catching passes in the NFL from other Bama QB's in Miami and Philly, and doing so with Tyreek Hill and AJ Brown opening the field up for them. That's what you do for young quarterbacks, instead of giving them guys like Agholor and Parker and JuJu and Bourne...

 

[BaseballJones]

Yes, I'd argue that they viewed Meyers as their #1 last year, and would view him as their #1 this year.

I'm not saying because the Pats viewed them that way, means they are actually #1's. I'm saying this is how BB and the Pats, with the exception of Moss have viewed their #1 receiver forever. They don't pay for top tier high end talent at that position, but instead expect one of their #2-#4's to end up with the most catches, but paying guys like Agholor and JuJu the way they have, they damn well better expect those guys to do more than what they are doing. They are being paid to be the best WR's on the team.

To answer your question, yes, I thought they should have paid Meyers what Oakland did, instead of getting JuJu. I was on record here thinking that Meyers was going to get Kirk type money. I was shocked at how little it took, and once again, it didn't matter, it was too much for the Patriots.

@Reverend touched on this. It's a composition issue, and has been going back to 2019 or earlier. They refuse to bring in a true stud #1 and instead insist on trying to turn #2's and #3's into #1's for short money. It's not what you do to a young quarterback, and then compound that with the disaster of the offensive line.

Every team has a #1 WR in that every team has a WR that’s their best. But we are here talking about #1 WRs. The studs. The game changers. And clearly they don’t view him as THAT.

 

[Deathofthebambino]

Every team has a #1 WR in that every team has a WR that’s their best. But we are here talking about #1 WRs. The studs. The game changers. And clearly they don’t view him as THAT.

Of course not. I'm saying they view him as THEIR #1 receiver. That's all I've been trying to say. This is how the Pats view the position.

I sure as shit don't think, and never have thought, that JuJu was actually a #1 receiver.

 

[BaseballJones]

Of course not. I'm saying they view him as THEIR #1 receiver. That's all I've been trying to say. This is how the Pats view the position.

I sure as shit don't think, and never have thought, that JuJu was actually a #1 receiver.

We are agreed on this then.

 

[Eck'sSneakyCheese]

Isn’t Parker the 1?

 

[MuppetAsteriskTalk]

This is correct. JuJu was offered less than what Jakobi Meyers and Allen Lazard signed for. Neither of those guys is anywhere near a #1 WR by any reasonable measure.

They got JuJu because they thought he’d be helpful, and his contract was what the FA market was at the time. His contract doesn’t indicate that the Pats signed him to be a #1 WR. No way.

I think Myers led the Pats in receptions and yards 3 years in a row. How is that nowhere near being a true 1?

 

[Deathofthebambino]

Isn’t Parker the 1?

Dude hasn't had more than 40 catches in a season since before there was a COVID vaccine in December, 2020. He's making 7mil this year and 6mil next year.

If the Pats thought at any time he was going to be their #1, they're even shittier at analyzing WR's than I gave them credit for...

 

[lexrageorge]

Yes, I'd argue that they viewed Meyers as their #1 last year, and would view him as their #1 this year.

I'm not saying because the Pats viewed them that way, means they are actually #1's. I'm saying this is how BB and the Pats, with the exception of Moss have viewed their #1 receiver forever. They don't pay for top tier high end talent at that position, but instead expect one of their #2-#4's to end up with the most catches, but paying guys like Agholor and JuJu the way they have, they damn well better expect those guys to do more than what they are doing. They are being paid to be the best WR's on the team.

To answer your question, yes, I thought they should have paid Meyers what Oakland did, instead of getting JuJu. I was on record here thinking that Meyers was going to get Kirk type money. I was shocked at how little it took, and once again, it didn't matter, it was too much for the Patriots.

@Reverend touched on this. It's a composition issue, and has been going back to 2019 or earlier. They refuse to bring in a true stud #1 and instead insist on trying to turn #2's and #3's into #1's for short money. It's not what you do to a young quarterback, and then compound that with the disaster of the offensive line.

I'm not 100% convinced that Bill the GM will continue in this mode. He has invested some draft capital in the position recently; still need to see if that works out with Douglas, Boutte, or (unlikely) Thornton. I think the JuJu signing was a matter of misjudging how much he had in the tank after last season's revival; receivers are not normally washed at 27. The WR market this offseason was non-existent except for Hopkins; Pats have 200 more passing yards than the Titans.

The big test will be this coming offseason, when the FA market is supposed to be much better and some highly touted receivers available in the draft.

As for this season, I think it's time to give more snaps to Douglas and Boutte.

 

[BaseballJones]

I think Myers led the Pats in receptions and yards 3 years in a row. How is that nowhere near being a true 1?

Just because you lead your team in receptions doesn't make you a true #1 - and remember, what we are talking about in THIS conversation is a #1 stud WR - a top tier, game-changing receiver. Like Jefferson, Chase, Hill, Waddle, Brown, Diggs, etc.

 

[Over Guapo Grande]

Dude hasn't had more than 40 catches in a season since before there was a COVID vaccine in December, 2020. He's making 7mil this year and 6mil next year.

If the Pats thought at any time he was going to be their #1, they're even shittier at analyzing WR's than I gave them credit for...

I don't want to Roethlisberger stuff... but:

 

[MuppetAsteriskTalk]

Just because you lead your team in receptions doesn't make you a true #1 - and remember, what we are talking about in THIS conversation is a #1 stud WR - a top tier, game-changing receiver. Like Jefferson, Chase, Hill, Waddle, Brown, Diggs, etc.

Those are more than #1's imo - those are all pros. I mean there are only what 6 to 12 in the entire league that fit your description of a true #1 receiver? And therefore most teams don't have a #1?

 

[Deathofthebambino]

I'm not 100% convinced that Bill the GM will continue in this mode. He has invested some draft capital in the position recently; still need to see if that works out with Douglas, Boutte, or (unlikely) Thornton. I think the JuJu signing was a matter of misjudging how much he had in the tank after last season's revival; receivers are not normally washed at 27. The WR market this offseason was non-existent except for Hopkins; Pats have 200 more passing yards than the Titans.

The big test will be this coming offseason, when the FA market is supposed to be much better and some highly touted receivers available in the draft.

As for this season, I think it's time to give more snaps to Douglas and Boutte.

From your lips to Bill's ears, but I've been hoping he would get out of this mode since the 2020 draft. Maybe he will eventually, but who knows. There might be a cornerback from Tufts he likes, so he'll trade down out of the 1st and grab him 34th overall.

 

[Deathofthebambino]

I don't want to Roethlisberger stuff... but:

View attachment 71450

LOL, totally missed that, if that was the joke.

 

[Over Guapo Grande]

Eck's cheese is sneaky.

 

[BaseballJones]

Those are more than #1's imo - those are all pros. I mean there are only what 6 to 12 in the entire league that fit your description of a true #1 receiver? And therefore most teams don't have a #1?

By my reckoning, here's who I think has a true stud #1 WR:

Buffalo - Diggs
Miami - Hill, Waddle
NYJ - Wilson
Cin - Chase, Higgins
LAC - Allen
LV - Adams
Dal - Lamb
Phi - Brown, Smith
Min - Jefferson
Det - St. Brown
NO - Olave
TB - Evans, Godwin (when healthy, Godwin fits this IMO, but YMMV on that)
LAR - Kupp (again, when healthy)
SF - Samuel
Sea - Metcalf

So to me that's 15 teams, and 19 guys. Obviously just my opinion. I don't think Pickens is there yet. I think Hopkins WAS there but isn't anymore. McLauren I'm on the fence about. Very good, but a true #1 stud? Not sure. Aiyuk? Maybe. He's really good. Amari Cooper? Possibly. Jakobi has good numbers right now, but I don't see him in the same category as these guys at all.

 

[BigSoxFan]

By my reckoning, here's who I think has a true stud #1 WR:

Buffalo - Diggs
Miami - Hill, Waddle
NYJ - Wilson
Cin - Chase, Higgins
LAC - Allen
LV - Adams
Dal - Lamb
Phi - Brown, Smith
Min - Jefferson
Det - St. Brown
NO - Olave
TB - Evans, Godwin (when healthy, Godwin fits this IMO, but YMMV on that)
LAR - Kupp (again, when healthy)
SF - Samuel
Sea - Metcalf

So to me that's 15 teams, and 19 guys. Obviously just my opinion. I don't think Pickens is there yet. I think Hopkins WAS there but isn't anymore. McLauren I'm on the fence about. Very good, but a true #1 stud? Not sure. Aiyuk? Maybe. He's really good. Amari Cooper? Possibly. Jakobi has good numbers right now, but I don't see him in the same category as these guys at all.

Think you can add Pittman and DJ Moore. Both guys are really good and are getting held down by sub-par passing attacks. I also think Zay Flowers has the potential to get there. But I think you got all the obvious ones.

 

[Euclis20]

How can people talk about Edelman without also noting he spent most of his productive years on the field with the greatest tight end of all time, and pass catchers like Vereen/Lewis/White coming out of the backfield. He missed the entire 2017 season, and Cooks was able to step in and go for over 1,000, and Amendola made 60+ catches.

Edelman didn't need be a difference maker, he just needed to be a guy that could beat man out of the slot, which he was, because everyone else was focused on stopping Gronk from eating them alive.

Yeah there was an earlier (slightly tongue in cheek) post that we lost the 2017 super bowl without Edelman and we won the 2016 super bowl without Gronk, and that there's something to be gained from noting those facts. The 2017 season when Edelman missed the entire year is NOT in any way a point in his favor. The Pats were 2nd in points and 1st in yards in the regular season, and then averaged 30+ ppg in the playoffs. They lost the super bowl not because they didn't have Edelman, but because the defense completely fell apart. At no point did we miss Jules in 2017, sorry.

 

[Deathofthebambino]

Yeah there was an earlier (slightly tongue in cheek) post that we lost the 2017 super bowl without Edelman and we won the 2016 super bowl without Gronk, and that there's something to be gained from noting those facts. The 2017 season when Edelman missed the entire year is NOT in any way a point in his favor. The Pats were 2nd in points and 1st in yards in the regular season, and then averaged 30+ ppg in the playoffs. They lost the super bowl not because they didn't have Edelman, but because the defense completely fell apart. At no point did we miss Jules in 2017, sorry.

I am a massive Jules fan, and there is a lot to be said about the chemistry he and Brady built up throughout the years. He was a beast when Gronk was covered up, and he came up fucking huge in the biggest games.

But let's not get crazy. If Gronk isn't on that team along with guys like White, a great offensive line and the GOAT throwing it to him, well, he's just another slot guy. He wasn't going to be a guy who could get you to the promised land by himself. He was more like 2006 Welker, until Welker turned into 2007 Welker when Randy was outside. Same thing happened in 2010 when Randy left, and then Welkers numbers exploded when Gronk/Hernandez become monsters in 2011

 

[CoffeeNerdness]

I wouldn't have been a huge fan of the signing but Adam Thielen signed a similar deal with Carolina as JuJu and he's managed 20 catches for 211 yards and two TDs catching balls from a rookie and Andy Dalton. In the brief times I've seen Carolina on Red Zone, he actually looks much more athletic than the corpse of JuJu. Remarkable that they put so much stock in his "resurgent" season in KC.

 

[BaseballJones]

I am a massive Jules fan, and there is a lot to be said about the chemistry he and Brady built up throughout the years. He was a beast when Gronk was covered up, and he came up fucking huge in the biggest games.

But let's not get crazy. If Gronk isn't on that team along with guys like White, a great offensive line and the GOAT throwing it to him, well, he's just another slot guy. He wasn't going to be a guy who could get you to the promised land by himself. He was more like 2006 Welker, until Welker turned into 2007 Welker when Randy was outside. Same thing happened in 2010 when Randy left, and then Welkers numbers exploded when Gronk/Hernandez become monsters in 2011

In 2016, they were without Gronk weeks 11-17 plus playoffs (technically he played in week 12 but only played 7 snaps, so I'm counting it).

In those games, here's what Edelman did:

Weeks 11-17: 7 g, 50 rec, 649 yds, 13.0 y/c, 2 td
Playoffs (3 g): 3 g, 21 rec, 342 yds, 16.3 y/c, 1 td

So in those 10 games: 71 rec, 991 yds, 14.0 y/c, 3 td

Project that out over 16 games: 114 rec, 1,585 yds, 14.0 y/c, 5 td

I'd say he did really well without Gronk when given the chance. Now you could turn it around and say, well, without Gronk, Brady was going to use Julian as his go-to guy. Which would be true. But it would also show that he didn't need Gronk to produce big time numbers, that he could absolutely handle being a #1 WR.

But OBVIOUSLY everyone is helped by having more great players around you. QBs are helped by having great receivers; receivers are helped by having great QBs, etc. So I think your larger point is valid on the whole.

 

[j44thor]

I wouldn't have been a huge fan of the signing but Adam Thielen signed a similar deal with Carolina as JuJu and he's managed 20 catches for 211 yards and two TDs catching balls from a rookie and Andy Dalton. In the brief times I've seen Carolina on Red Zone, he actually looks much more athletic than the corpse of JuJu. Remarkable that they put so much stock in his "resurgent" season in KC.

The irony is that Thielen looked a lot like 23 Juju last season. Outside of his propensity to get open in the end zone he was a catch and fall guy and that was while playing with the best WR in the league and a top 3 TE most of the season. Of course that is probably why he was always open in the end zone, otherwise he was a complete jag who looked like toast last year. Juju showed a little juice last year but perhaps there is more truth to the rumors about his knee condition than we are lead to believe.

 

[tims4wins]

This doesn’t come off well from TB80

View: https://twitter.com/philaperry/status/1706688181649707389?s=46

 

[BigSoxFan]

This doesn’t come off well from TB80

View: https://twitter.com/philaperry/status/1706688181649707389?s=46

Yeah, the issue isn’t effort or execution or whatever, it’s that he might simply not have much left physically to offer. JuJu might be a reverse Jonnu.

 

[Eck'sSneakyCheese]

Eck's cheese is sneaky.

Indeed

 

[leetinsley38]

Yeah, the issue isn’t effort or execution or whatever, it’s that he might simply not have much left physically to offer. JuJu might be a reverse Jonnu.

Yeah Giardi was saying the same thing this am. He just has no burst or cutting ability. Seems like he’s got a degenerative knee issue. Maybe when Thornton is ready you put JuJu on IR to rehab for a few weeks and hope he comes back later in the year with some more pop.

 

[Jimbodandy]

I'm not seeing a lack of physical ability watching him, but I guess that could be it. Just seems like he's not on the same playbook. Rounding routes, dragging too deep on things where a square cut was thrown. Seems like here's not where Mac is looking, but he is when Mac is looking.

 

[BigSoxFan]

Jonnu Smith today: 95 yards

JuJu after 4 games: 80 yards

What an epic bust of a signing. Another BB offensive FA special.

 

[rodderick]

Jonnu Smith today: 95 yards

JuJu after 4 games: 80 yards

What an epic bust of a signing. Another BB offensive FA special.

Jonnu has as many yards on the season as Gesicki and Juju combined.

 

[BigSoxFan]

Jonnu has as many yards on the season as Gesicki and Juju combined.

In only 3 games…

 

[jezza1918]

Jonnu Smith today: 95 yards

JuJu after 4 games: 80 yards

What an epic bust of a signing. Another BB offensive FA special.

This may be a distinction without (substantial) difference but these two coupled with each other make me think it’s more of an epic failure in how to utilize their talents…at least with regards to jonnu.

 

[FL4WL3SS]

Or, you know, having a shitty QB (not) throwing to you.

 

[Cellar-Door]

I have to say... noting the great play of a guy who struggled here to compare it to two new signings..... might not actually tell you that the new signings are bad.

 

[rodderick]

I have to say... noting the great play of a guy who struggled here to compare it to two new signings..... might not actually tell you that the new signings are bad.

Yeah, I do think it points to a lot to these guys being misused. Not that anyone believes Jonnu Smith to be a great player now, but the fact that he's instantly been productive in Atlanta is an indictment on this coaching staff more than on Juju and Gesicki. The roster construction is just flawed, they have way too many guys who like to operate out of the same spot and do similar things. Henry, Gesicki, Juju, Boutte, Bourne. How many "big slots" do you need?

 

[jezza1918]

Yeah, I do think it points to a lot to these guys being misused. Not that anyone believes Jonnu Smith to be a great player now, but the fact that he's instantly been productive in Atlanta is an indictment on this coaching staff more than on Juju and Gesicki. The roster construction is just flawed, they have way too many guys who like to operate out of the same spot and do similar things. Henry, Gesicki, Juju, Boutte, Bourne. How many "big slots" do you need?

This is really what I was trying to get at last night, thanks for laying it out there in far clearer fashion. Maybe jonnu could’ve done things differently here, and certainly mac deserves a share of the blame pie, but imo you nail the primary issue

 

[BigSoxFan]

Yeah, I do think it points to a lot to these guys being misused. Not that anyone believes Jonnu Smith to be a great player now, but the fact that he's instantly been productive in Atlanta is an indictment on this coaching staff more than on Juju and Gesicki. The roster construction is just flawed, they have way too many guys who like to operate out of the same spot and do similar things. Henry, Gesicki, Juju, Boutte, Bourne. How many "big slots" do you need?

This was my point, which I guess wasn’t as obvious as I thought. Jonnu is doing all this with Desmond Ridder, an absolutely awful QB. We couldn’ even get him to do anything.