I'll put money down this does not ever happen win another Super Bowl title in New England. He will be hard pressed to even make the playoffs with this shitty roster he has constructed. The sooner the Patriots move on from him the better because it isn't going to getter better with him only worse.
Oh for SURE that's the safe bet - that he won't win a SB here.
THis is a good point, I thought of it during the "he let the offense decline by letting... X go", Solder, turned to dust after he left, all the guys who left then he got back for cheap... JCJ, Collins (twice), Trent Brown, Van Noy, but also a bunch of others. Bill has generally been very good at knowing which of his guys are not worth paying market for, which is key since a lot of teams that have good years hamstring themselves by bringing everyone back
Except you don't know that. I'd rather take my chances on someone new than with someone the game has pretty much passed by. The roster is in horrendous shape under BB. That cannot be denied and anyone that wants to run it back is an absolute fool. We have seen 4 years of this team rotting into the ground. Its beyond embarrassing.
I didn't say we "know" anything. But it's always the safe bet that any particular coach will NOT win a Super Bowl with your team than that they WILL.
This kind of thing is all too common on this site right now, and for a forum that prides itself on being higher quality than most it is, to coin a phrase, beyond embarrassing.
BJ
LOL in my house we left out Ritz crackers and a glass of scotch.
Definitely not a lot of coaches survive that.
What’s funny is that Bill would never give this much rope to any player of his. 4 years of mediocre-to-bad performance? Is there any example in his 22 years here where he hung on to anyone more than maybe 1 year past their ability to contribute at a meaningful level?
It's apples and oranges, but not in the direction you are thinking. So the salary cap motivates the team to cut players quicker and put dead money on the cap, but hold on to coaches when it only costs the owners real money and not towards the cap to buy them out and hire a new coach?
Vinatieri, the example used in the original post, was a free agent. The Pats didn’t use the franchise tag on him. There was no dead money on the cap for the Patriots when he signed with the Colts.
I missed that interjection, thanks. My point holds for FA signings like Adalius Thomas, where the Patriots brass probably wanted to get rid of him well before they did but had to factor in the cap hit.
I was going to include a reference to this in my post, because I knew it’d be the first thing someone countered with.
Say what? Is this satire? I mean:
Well I don't know if Bill is going to fire himself. Maybe Kraft will, but then again, Kraft's philosophy may not be the same as Bill's. We shall see.
I mean look, would Sean McVay, Andy Reid or Kyle Shanahan miss the playoffs because of some injuries or bad QB play? How about John Harbaugh?
If only there were a thread. Or better yet, multiple ones where we could ask such questions.
I feel the same, and I'd even go as far to say that I think him passing Shula will be diminished (as in, potentially hurt his legacy) if it comes threw a slew of sub-.500 seasons.
I can't imagine Kraft thinks fans will be showing up in droves to see BB get there coaching a mediocre team.
Great point. A death march of mediocrity, just to break a longevity/counting stat record would do nothing for me either.
This is a legit position to have. As legit as wanting BB gone. What are you talking about?
I don't think it will. Shula had a couple of losing seasons, though to be fair, his record is actually pretty remarkable. Dude was a phenomenal HC. But at the end of the day, I care less about BB's win total and where it ranks than I do that my team - the New England Patriots - is good.
I live 15 minutes from the stadium and have had tickets for years. They have been going downhill for 4 years. Look at the roster. Very little impact talent on the roster. Awful coaching every week with the same mistakes over and over again with multiple penalties to boot. They are a train wreck. BB should get the Tom Landry treatment after this year. His drafting has been historically bad in the past 5 plus years forcing them to overspend money on crappy free agents. This is all on Bill. The buck stops with him.
They were more like a 5-6 win team last year that had a very easy schedule. I think this year they are about the same with a tougher schedule and more injuries. It's a bad team.
I think you miss that they basically did the impossible for almost 20 years, took it to the limit for the last SB, and then turned the roster over the last few years.
Yes it is very clear that 1) they tried to rebuild on the fly rather than bottoming out and 2) that they thought Jones would get them back to the playoffs. 2 definitely didnt work, but the first one looks like it has moved from unlikely to highly doubtful. The bottoming out process is almost never a year.
Thanks for putting this in to words as I’ve been trying to think of a way to articulate my thoughts and failing.
