I believe the Yankees will be out of the top tier free agent market until after they burn off the Teixeira and Sabathia contracts in 2016. They have been over the salary cap for three years which means they will pay an extra $.50 on the dollar for each new contract. If they, for example, sign Lester for 7/140, their effective cost will be 7/210. I find it hard to believe that even the Yankees would be willing to absorb additional costs at that level.glennhoffmania said:There is zero chance that NY waits for a bunch of international teenagers to start contributing. They'll sign at least one of Lester, Scherzer and Shields this year. Maybe they sign Markakis for RF. I wouldn't bet on Hanley but they obviously need two middle infielders and they have nothing to trade to get them. The potential 2B FA pool is very shallow but there are a couple of SS that will be available.
Lose Remerswaal said:No, it's the best players on this page
jon abbey said:Can we keep this thread to Tanaka discussion? If you want to start a thread about how thoroughly fucked NY is in 2015 and beyond (I couldn't agree more), feel free.
E5 Yaz said:25% of his pitches were splitters? That's insane. Did those in authority just not care?
If the MRI came back unambiguously 100% clean then it seems like they would have just made an announcement by now to clear the air, as they've had the results for more than 24 hours at this point. I'm not saying its TJ surgery but there is a lot of secrecy and delay going on here.
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Girardi says he won't divulge whether he's optimistic about Tanaka's arm. #Yankees
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So did Matt Harvey last year.DrewDawg said:Chad Billingsley had same diagnosis in 2012. Not good...
Shhhh! I'm fine with the Yanks current plan. It works better than well for me.BigSoxFan said:Should have the surgery immediately to possibly have him for the stretch run in 2015. Now they're going to delay the inevitable and will lose him until 2016.
Yeah, good luck with that.RedOctober3829 said:@FeinsandNYDN: @FeinsandNYDN: Cashman said Tanaka could be back in six weeks if the rehab program is effective.
Don't delay the inevitable. All they're doing is wasting 6 weeks of rehab time.Jon Morosi @jonmorosi 2m
Matt Harvey to reporters last summer: "I'm going to do everything I can so I don't have to get surgery." . . . He had the surgery.
He's already broken. Fix him.Hoplite said:I know TJS has become somewhat routine, but there's an inherent risk in any surgery and 15% of people who get TJS never recover. So it makes sense for the Yankees to try out rehab first for six weeks before possibly breaking their $155 million investment.
RedOctober3829 said:
Don't delay the inevitable. All they're doing is wasting 6 weeks of rehab time.
Well yea, but can't you say this about almost any pitcher? Why is Koji for 2 years any more of a health risk than signing Lester for 6 years? (Injury wise, because I think if he stays healthy Koji is a decent bet to be at least a solid bullpen arm for the next two years).Van Everyman said:Aaaaand this is why you don't give Koji a multi-year deal.
I think the Sox would be crazy to give Koji a multi-year deal or even a QO but because some pitchers hurt their arms isn't a reason why.Van Everyman said:Aaaaand this is why you don't give Koji a multi-year deal.
Toe Nash said:I think the point is that Koji throws a lot of splitters which makes him a bigger risk. Of course, that may be offset by only throwing <15 pitches in a normal outing instead of 100+ like Tanaka.
EvilEmpire said:Eh. They should do whatever the doctors recommend. The most conservative, careful way forward possible. There are risks in any surgery. They'll probably know early in the rehab if it isn't working and he needs surgery, so it might not even be six weeks anyway.
Even if it is, so what? Six weeks over the course of a contract is nothing. He likely wouldn't be back in form for the rest of 2015 anyway. Giving him the next offseason and then spring training, while conservative, might be best anyway.
He won't make it through rehab to make any starts if he isn't fit. But your goal for Bogaerts is duly noted.Rovin Romine said:I'd like to see a few crappy starts later this year - a resurgent X might make a credible ROY run.
15% of "people". I presume this stat refers to all people who have it? Among professional athletes who have it done by the "best" surgeons, the modern day statistics are likely much better than 15% non-recovery of the overall surgeries.Hoplite said:I know TJS has become somewhat routine, but there's an inherent risk in any surgery and 15% of people who get TJS never recover. So it makes sense for the Yankees to try out rehab first for six weeks before possibly breaking their $155 million investment.
What injury are you anticipating Abreu suffering?Rovin Romine said:I'd like to see a few crappy starts later this year - a resurgent X might make a credible ROY run.
That's going to have to be one hell of a resurgence.Rovin Romine said:I'd like to see a few crappy starts later this year - a resurgent X might make a credible ROY run.
Van Everyman said:Aaaaand this is why you don't give Koji a multi-year deal.
EvilEmpire said:Eh. They should do whatever the doctors recommend. The most conservative, careful way forward possible. There are risks in any surgery. They'll probably know early in the rehab if it isn't working and he needs surgery, so it might not even be six weeks anyway.
Even if it is, so what? Six weeks over the course of a contract is nothing. He likely wouldn't be back in form for the rest of 2015 anyway. Giving him the next offseason and then spring training, while conservative, might be best anyway.
I had no idea he was up to 28 hr. That's a wrap.VORP Speed said:What injury are you anticipating Abreu suffering?
I think the general consensus for Koji is 1 yr + 1yr option. Not exactly in the same ballpark as Tanaka's deal.Van Everyman said:Aaaaand this is why you don't give Koji a multi-year deal.
Interesting but I wonder how many of those 135 were marginal MLB pitchers to begin with? And that is a pretty big spread (1996-2012), 16 years. I'd be curious to see the results of the last 5 years. It seems like most of the guys we've heard about the last few years have come back better. I'm having back surgery next week and have been doing a lot of research about it. 10 years ago I would have avoided it like crazy but the techniques and success rates have sky rocketed in that time. Just food for thought.staz said:232 pitchers on MLB rosters 1996-2012 have had TJS. 135 (58%) never threw another MLB pitch after their surgery.
$155M says NY needs to play the percentages and try anything to avoid TJS, but at the same time, they need to know what their 2015+ rotation needs will be.
strek1 said:Interesting but I wonder how many of those 135 were marginal MLB pitchers to begin with? And that is a pretty big spread (1996-2012), 16 years. I'd be curious to see the results of the last 5 years. It seems like most of the guys we've heard about the last few years have come back better. I'm having back surgery next week and have been doing a lot of research about it. 10 years ago I would have avoided it like crazy but the techniques and success rates have sky rocketed in that time. Just food for thought.