Trade for Dame?

[Euclis20]

Isn't it fine for Portland if Dame doesn't report? Keeps his body fresh for trade value, and it's fine for an acquiring team if they get him at the deadline (KD to Phoenix), or next summer (3 years left on deal; no wear on his body this season).

Also, as others mention, Miami could look quite bad with a thin roster.

Dame may play hardball, but Portland's leverage seems stronger to me, and I'm sure their front office has gamed it out similarly.

I think it's too early to say who has more leverage (Dame or Portland). I don't think there's any pressure on anyone until the season starts, and then we see whether or not he shows up, and how the fans and media respond to whatever happens. It's easy to compare this to the KD situation last year or Simmons the year before that, but the fact that Lillard both means far more to Portland than those two did to their respective franchises AND Portland is already in rebuilding mode regardless really makes this situation harder to predict.

 

[wade boggs chicken dinner]

I think it's too early to say who has more leverage (Dame or Portland). I don't think there's any pressure on anyone until the season starts, and then we see whether or not he shows up, and how the fans and media respond to whatever happens. It's easy to compare this to the KD situation last year or Simmons the year before that, but the fact that Lillard both means far more to Portland than those two did to their respective franchises AND Portland is already in rebuilding mode regardless really makes this situation harder to predict.

I think what leverage Dame had he has used up. PDX doesn't care if he doesn't play so I don't think that's additive.

Plus, if Dame wants to win, foregoing a half-season of playing with Jimmy and Bam isn't good from the Heat perspective.

At some point, is MIA really going to hold up the chance to get Dame over Jacquez? Caleb Martin? Taking on Nurkic's salary?

 

[NomarsFool]

Sure. And he's using more leverage now, as is his right. And that's ok too. He isn't the first and won't be the last.

I guess I would just respectfully disagree that threatening not to honor his contract (basically saying he won't play) is appropriate leverage.

 

[EvilEmpire]

I guess I would just respectfully disagree that threatening not to honor his contract (basically saying he won't play) is appropriate leverage.

Eh. It's not like he took an oath and joined the military. If he doesn't want to play somewhere and is willing to sit out and not get paid, that's fine.

Lots of people walk away from jobs while under a contract. Just don't expect to be paid. The consequences of those actions are usually covered in the contract they sign, right? If someone is willing to accept those consequences, fine.

 

[Smokey Joe]

I guess I would just respectfully disagree that threatening not to honor his contract (basically saying he won't play) is appropriate leverage.

It would be nice if it was that honest. Sadly, I expect a flare up of his chronic (Back pain, Knee pain, Toe pain, Lumbago, Grippe, Marthambles, Strong Fives, or whatever) that will keep him from playing but keep the pay checks flowing.

 

[lovegtm]

I think what leverage Dame had he has used up. PDX doesn't care if he doesn't play so I don't think that's additive.

Plus, if Dame wants to win, foregoing a half-season of playing with Jimmy and Bam isn't good from the Heat perspective.

At some point, is MIA really going to hold up the chance to get Dame over Jacquez? Caleb Martin? Taking on Nurkic's salary?

It's not that Miami is holding it up over those things. It's that they're not enough to get a deal done, even if thrown in.

 

[wade boggs chicken dinner]

It's not that Miami is holding it up over those things. It's that they're not enough to get a deal done, even if thrown in.

Hollinger was on Lowe the other day and they went through all of the realistic (and not-so-realistic) possibilites for PDX. Hollinger thought MIA's best offer - all the picks/swaps, taking on Nurkic, plus Herro, Jovic, Jacquez, and Martin, and salary filler - was a "good" return. Lowe thought it was "acceptable". More importantly, they couldn't figure out a better package (except, perhaps interestingly enough, from the Cs, depending on how many picks the Cs are willing and how PDX values them).

I would guess that MIA gets Dame for something less than than MIA's best offer.

 

[lexrageorge]

Hollinger was on Lowe the other day and they went through all of the realistic (and not-so-realistic) possibilites for PDX. Hollinger thought MIA's best offer - all the picks/swaps, taking on Nurkic, plus Herro, Jovic, Jacquez, and Martin, and salary filler - was a "good" return. Lowe thought it was "acceptable". More importantly, they couldn't figure out a better package (except, perhaps interestingly enough, from the Cs, depending on how many picks the Cs are willing and how PDX values them).

I would guess that MIA gets Dame for something less than than MIA's best offer.

The bolded is where we differ. Portland doesn't have to trade Lillard if they don't like the return. Cronin may or may not consider Miami's "best" offer sufficient. If he does, it seems likely that the Heat will relent when the season gets closer, because it is likely that Miami wants Lillard more than the Blazers want to trade him. It's also possible that Cronin plays hard ball and waits for another team to beat Miami's offer (real or hypothetical best). Cronin is not going to get fired for refusing to sell low on Lillard.

 

[Cellar-Door]

Hollinger was on Lowe the other day and they went through all of the realistic (and not-so-realistic) possibilites for PDX. Hollinger thought MIA's best offer - all the picks/swaps, taking on Nurkic, plus Herro, Jovic, Jacquez, and Martin, and salary filler - was a "good" return. Lowe thought it was "acceptable". More importantly, they couldn't figure out a better package (except, perhaps interestingly enough, from the Cs, depending on how many picks the Cs are willing and how PDX values them).

I would guess that MIA gets Dame for something less than than MIA's best offer.

That was a good pod, I think my takeaway was they both think he gets traded to MIA for close to but not all of the best offer, but also might take a while. Of course part of that might be change if one of the teams Hollinger thought wouldn't be interested changes it's mind. Basically my feeling is POR probably does the MIA trade, but also waits into the season to see what happens

 

[wade boggs chicken dinner]

The bolded is where we differ. Portland doesn't have to trade Lillard if they don't like the return. Cronin may or may not consider Miami's "best" offer sufficient. If he does, it seems likely that the Heat will relent when the season gets closer, because it is likely that Miami wants Lillard more than the Blazers want to trade him. It's also possible that Cronin plays hard ball and waits for another team to beat Miami's offer (real or hypothetical best). Cronin is not going to get fired for refusing to sell low on Lillard.

Definitely agree with you that nothing is going to happen for a while. Beginning of training camp - October - is probably one point when we'll see a flurry of action, and if it doesn't get done by then, the next pressure point will be opening day.

It's interesting to me that according to latest reports, MIA and PDX haven't even begun talking (I'm sure Dame's agent is doing some groundwork). There is some pressure on MIA to get this done because they are going to have to figure out how to fill out their roster and the earlier they can start doing that, probably the better for them.

Don't get me wrong. I'd be thrilled if Cronin picked MIA clean like a pack of vultures. I just get the feeling that there's not going to be a robust market; that there's not going to be another team that will drive up the bidding; and Riley is going to get this done saving himself one or another asset (which isn't a huge deal in the grand scheme of things).

Unless, of course, JT can talk Dame into coming to BOS . . . .

 

[lars10]

All the people saying he probably gets traded to MIA for not even their best offer.. why would PDX feel the need to do this? Dame is under contract.. can sit out.. but if he does that he either gets fined or extends the duration of his contract.. his value trade-wise seemingly will never be lower than it is right now… given that he says he only wants to go to Miami..

If Miami is the only suitor.. then why would they up their offer?

Seems utterly foolish for PDX to basically just get rid of their best player for peanuts. If Dame is unhappy he shouldn’t have signed the extension.

 

[Cellar-Door]

All the people saying he probably gets traded to MIA for not even their best offer.. why would PDX feel the need to do this? Dame is under contract.. can sit out.. but if he does that he either gets fined or extends the duration of his contract.. his value trade-wise seemingly will never be lower than it is right now… given that he says he only wants to go to Miami..

If Miami is the only suitor.. then why would they up their offer?

Seems utterly foolish for PDX to basically just get rid of their best player for peanuts. If Dame is unhappy he shouldn’t have signed the extension.

What makes you think a 34 year old Dame who hasn't played in a year would have more value than Dame now? His trade value is what it is, now they may hold on to him and hope that he wants out bad enough that he opens it up to other teams, and with that assurance one of those teams offers up a great deal, and they may way wait until February to see what happens. But yeah... if you're a non-contender with Dame (they are), while something like Jovic, 3 1sts and Herro (plus filler) isn't a great offer, it's more valuable to you than Dame probably, given you have multiple years of proof that this isn't a contender, and you now have 2 young guards you'd like to re-set around.

 

[AlNipper49]

If Dame doesn’t play Portland has a guaranteed high lottery pick and he’ll likely be more willing to accept a trade to at least a few more teams. Herro gets Portland absolutely nothing. He’s be a negative for that team. There is no worse place to be in the NBA than a fringe lottery team.

 

[Cellar-Door]

If Dame doesn’t play Portland has a guaranteed high lottery pick and he’ll likely be more willing to accept a trade to at least a few more teams. Herro gets Portland absolutely nothing. He’s be a negative for that team. There is no worse place to be in the NBA than a fringe lottery team.

Herro is getting re-routed. But also, the worst case scenario for Portland isn't Dame not playing, it's Dame playing with less effort.

They may wait some to trade Dame, but he isn't a house, his value won't go up over time. They can take half a year (ala KD and Simmons) to see if the market changes, or he helps create one, but after that they probably need to move him, they won't get more next year (honestly might get less since some of the future picks would be potentially impacted by the new CBA pushing them down in the round.

 

[EvilEmpire]

Has Dame or his management team said or leaked to friendly media that he'll sit out if Portland doesn't trade him at all? I'm kind of losing track of the current state of things. The earlier report said if traded to someplace he doesn't want to be. I'm curious if things have escalated further, though I'll be surprised if Dame goes that far.

 

[wade boggs chicken dinner]

Has Dame or his management team said or leaked to friendly media that he'll sit out if Portland doesn't trade him at all? I'm kind of losing track of the current state of things. The earlier report said if traded to someplace he doesn't want to be. I'm curious if things have escalated further, though I'll be surprised if Dame goes that far.

He hasn't come out and said he won't play for PDX but he's asked the team to trade him and if it goes to October, it doesn't do anyone any good for Dame to be in training camp (and having him and the rest of the team answer questions about his status every day) and it makes even less sense for him to play and risk injury.

If Dame isn't traded by September, I suspect he's going to up his rhetoric.

 

[wade boggs chicken dinner]

All the people saying he probably gets traded to MIA for not even their best offer.. why would PDX feel the need to do this? Dame is under contract.. can sit out.. but if he does that he either gets fined or extends the duration of his contract.. his value trade-wise seemingly will never be lower than it is right now… given that he says he only wants to go to Miami..

If Miami is the only suitor.. then why would they up their offer?

Seems utterly foolish for PDX to basically just get rid of their best player for peanuts. If Dame is unhappy he shouldn’t have signed the extension.

With regard to PDX, sure they can play hardball but at some point, they're going to want to move on.

As for MIA, Dame and Jimmy ain't getting younger so the quicker they can get Dame in, the better for their team.

 

[lovegtm]

With regard to PDX, sure they can play hardball but at some point, they're going to want to move on.

As for MIA, Dame and Jimmy ain't getting younger so the quicker they can get Dame in, the better for their team.

As we saw with KD, however, "some point" can easily be much later in the season if the right offer isn't there in the summer.

People forget how scorched-earth KD's request got ("fire the coach and GM!"), and it still didn't get him dealt right away.

 

[jose melendez]

The lesson over and over is don’t take a garbage deal for a great player with years left on his contract just because he’s being a jerk. If you hang tight a good deal will come— see Ben simmons

 

[wade boggs chicken dinner]

As we saw with KD, however, "some point" can easily be much later in the season if the right offer isn't there in the summer.

People forget how scorched-earth KD's request got ("fire the coach and GM!"), and it still didn't get him dealt right away.

I feel like KD's demand ("It's me or the coach/GM" - https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba/news/kevin-durant-timeline-trade-request-nets/nnv1nth3vi6p2ng4cjcmtnuc) is a bit different because that left the door open for KD's return, which he did. And if BRK had offered KI the extension KI wanted, KD might still be playing for BRK.

 

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View: https://twitter.com/espn_macmahon/status/1678495961839190016

 

[BigSoxFan]

View: https://twitter.com/espn_macmahon/status/1678495961839190016

Message from Cronin is loud and clear.

Dame: You better give me more teams.

Miami: Better offer everything you’ve got now because current offer ain’t it.

We’ll see if it works but Cronin is doing the responsible thing and is letting Team Dame know that they’re in for the long haul….unless they soften their stance and expand their consideration set.

 

[SemperFidelisSox]

Shams was on with Pat McAfee today and said there is a framework with Miami and Portland where the Blazers could end up with three or four first round picks but the question still remains if that is enough for Portland. I don’t know who would be willing to give up a first for Herro and whether it would be at a potentially enticing enough spot for Portland.


View: https://twitter.com/PatMcAfeeShow/status/1678447332285890560?t=rcZ26hQpC9lEJ1vZ83iLiQ&s=19

 

[BigSoxFan]

Shams was on with Pat McAfee today and said there is a framework with Miami and Portland where the Blazers could end up with three or four first round picks but the question still remains if that is enough for Portland. I don’t know who would be willing to give up a first for Herro and whether it would be at a potentially enticing enough spot for Portland.


View: https://twitter.com/PatMcAfeeShow/status/1678447332285890560?t=rcZ26hQpC9lEJ1vZ83iLiQ&s=19

Problem for Miami is everyone knows they’re desperate to trade Herro so I bet the offers have been discounted accordingly. Forgetting the Lillard trade, I wouldn’t trade an unprotected or lightly protected first for the right to pay Herro $30M / year.

 

[wade boggs chicken dinner]

Shams was on with Pat McAfee today and said there is a framework with Miami and Portland where the Blazers could end up with three or four first round picks but the question still remains if that is enough for Portland. I don’t know who would be willing to give up a first for Herro and whether it would be at a potentially enticing enough spot for Portland.


View: https://twitter.com/PatMcAfeeShow/status/1678447332285890560?t=rcZ26hQpC9lEJ1vZ83iLiQ&s=19

3 MIA picks, a pick for Herro, and then Jovic and Jacquez is like 6 first round picks. And then they could get Caleb Martin, who is probably an asset.

In case anyone cares, Lowe keeps talking about the potential trade. This time it was Bontemps. Bontemps was wondering why everything thought this package was crappy; he basically thought it was decent to good. Lowe has settled on the package being "palatable."

The problem for PDX is that neither of them really saw any alternatives other than maybe BOS but we've discussed why POBOBS might not want to do it.

None of which adds anything new to this discussion.

 

[slamminsammya]

3 MIA picks, a pick for Herro, and then Jovic and Jacquez is like 6 first round picks. And then they could get Caleb Martin, who is probably an asset.

In case anyone cares, Lowe keeps talking about the potential trade. This time it was Bontemps. Bontemps was wondering why everything thought this package was crappy; he basically thought it was decent to good. Lowe has settled on the package being "palatable."

The problem for PDX is that neither of them really saw any alternatives other than maybe BOS but we've discussed why POBOBS might not want to do it.

None of which adds anything new to this discussion.

How are Jovic and Jacquez like first rounders? I thought there's a strong discount once the car leaves the lot effect?

 

[HomeRunBaker]

With regard to PDX, sure they can play hardball but at some point, they're going to want to move on.

As for MIA, Dame and Jimmy ain't getting younger so the quicker they can get Dame in, the better for their team.

Right? Lillard one year down the road isn't going to fetch what he can now. Lillard one year down the road after sitting out the year isn't getting much in return at all. Dame can afford to make this play imo bc the Blazers hands are tied if they want any significant return on their best player.

 

[BigSoxFan]

Right? Lillard one year down the road isn't going to fetch what he can now. Lillard one year down the road after sitting out the year isn't getting much in return at all. Dame can afford to make this play imo bc the Blazers hands are tied if they want any significant return on their best player.

Dame isn't going to sit out the year though. Nobody outside of Ben Simmons is pulling that stunt. The Blazers will absolutely call his bluff on that. And they'll be right. I'm not sure the return is much different now vs., say, December or whatever. Best bet remains Portland and Miami eventually coming to a deal but both sides are equally motivated to make this work. If this drags into the season and Bam and/or Jimmy suffer a major injury, Dame likely opens up his list. I think there is upside and downside present on both sides of this deal.

 

[wade boggs chicken dinner]

How are Jovic and Jacquez like first rounders? I thought there's a strong discount once the car leaves the lot effect?

Because they are 1st rounders?

!st round draft picks are like lottery picks. Obviously, a PHO 2030 pick has the potential to be really really good (high) so Jovic and Jacquez isn't close to that in value. And maybe PDX hates Jovic so maybe PDX doesn't consider that to be like a first round value. But Jacquez hasn't really played so he has that shiny new car gleam so I think he's like 1st round value. At least until he goes out and stinks up the joint during the regular season.

 

[BigSoxFan]

Because they are 1st rounders?

!st round draft picks are like lottery picks. Obviously, a PHO 2030 pick has the potential to be really really good (high) so Jovic and Jacquez isn't close to that in value. And maybe PDX hates Jovic so maybe PDX doesn't consider that to be like a first round value. But Jacquez hasn't really played so he has that shiny new car gleam so I think he's like 1st round value. At least until he goes out and stinks up the joint during the regular season.

I think Jaquez might fetch a lotto-protected first right now on the open market. But he also doesn’t really profile as a guy you can dream on. Not really sure what Jovic would fetch but he went #27 and didn’t show much last year so not sure he has first value. Maybe a second or two.

I feel like the hang up here continues to be Herro. I doubt PDX is interested in him with Simons and I bet Miami isn’t getting much traction with dealing him. Miami’s best bet may be an injury in training camp that makes someone more desperate to trade for Herro. But, end of the day, paying a first for the right to pay Herro 4/120 just isn’t that attractive for most teams.

 

[slamminsammya]

Because they are 1st rounders?

!st round draft picks are like lottery picks. Obviously, a PHO 2030 pick has the potential to be really really good (high) so Jovic and Jacquez isn't close to that in value. And maybe PDX hates Jovic so maybe PDX doesn't consider that to be like a first round value. But Jacquez hasn't really played so he has that shiny new car gleam so I think he's like 1st round value. At least until he goes out and stinks up the joint during the regular season.

I don't think guys who were formerly first round draft picks are of equal value as draft picks for trades. More discounting for each year into the rookie contract they are, and then extra discounting if its someone just drafted mid first round.

 

[Euclis20]

Dame isn't going to sit out the year though. Nobody outside of Ben Simmons is pulling that stunt. The Blazers will absolutely call his bluff on that. And they'll be right. I'm not sure the return is much different now vs., say, December or whatever. Best bet remains Portland and Miami eventually coming to a deal but both sides are equally motivated to make this work. If this drags into the season and Bam and/or Jimmy suffer a major injury, Dame likely opens up his list. I think there is upside and downside present on both sides of this deal.

Assuming he doesn't get hurt (if he even plays), Lillard's value will be the highest at the trade deadline. If Miami is still the only legit suitor, at least Portland will have more information - Jacquez, Jovic and even Herro could be more attractive assets. The only way Miami wouldn't be willing to at least pay the same price to get Lillard in 6-7 months is if Bam or Butler get hurt and are out for the year, and 2024 looks like a lost cause for them.

 

[Devizier]

Because they are 1st rounders?

A large part of the value of draft picks is that you get to choose who to use them on.

 

[benhogan]

Assuming he doesn't get hurt (if he even plays), Lillard's value will be the highest at the trade deadline. If Miami is still the only legit suitor, at least Portland will have more information - Jacquez, Jovic and even Herro could be more attractive assets. The only way Miami wouldn't be willing to at least pay the same price to get Lillard in 6-7 months is if Bam or Butler get hurt and are out for the year, and 2024 looks like a lost cause for them.

Yea, I'd guess the Trade Deadline is when PDX would get the most bidders, since ~8 teams would feel they are a "DAME away" from winning it. Getting 3rd teams to help out would be more plentiful since a handful will have thrown in the towel & will be in full draft pick-collecting mode.

DAME will also probably have softened on "Miami or bust", if he's sitting on the Shelf that long.

 

[Van Everyman]

Yea, I'd guess the Trade Deadline is when PDX would get the most bidders, since ~8 teams would feel they are a "DAME away" from winning it. Getting 3rd teams to help out would be more plentiful since a handful will have thrown in the towel & will be in full draft pick-collecting mode.

DAME will also probably have softened on "Miami or bust", if he's sitting on the Shelf that long.

The capitalizing of DAME sort of reminds me of this:

“D.A.M.E. – He can’t be a Blazer any longer.”

 

[wade boggs chicken dinner]

A large part of the value of draft picks is that you get to choose who to use them on.

I would say that the biggest attraction of future 1st round picks is the possibility of adding talent. Picks from good teams that are further out are better than picks in the near future because of the potential to add (best case scenario) a Jayson Tatum.

But at the end of the day, the point of getting additional draft picks is to try to add talent. If PDX had a 1st round grade on Jaquez, then to me it's more or less like adding a first round pick at this point. Jovic is I agree probably should discounted because he's already burned a year of control and still looks to need work but who knows how PDX has evaluated him.

Getting back to the original point, I don't think MIA's best offer is horrible but more to the point I don't think PDX is going to get everything from MIA. Yes it's a far cry from what KD got but Dame is also no KD. Every contender would take KD in a heartbeat if the price is right, but there aren't a lot of teams that want Dame. I mean he's not going to NYK to play with Brunson; he's not going to PHI to play with Harden; he's not going to CLE; he's not going to DAL; he's not going to PHO; BOS's not trading JB to have Dame play with Brogdon and White; etc. etc. etc. Maybe as suggested above an injury will change the marketplace and I'm sure PDX is going to wait as long as it can to try to create a market but there just aren't a lot of landing spots for Dame right now.

So "months" is probably correct.

 

[BigMike]

I think Jaquez might fetch a lotto-protected first right now on the open market. But he also doesn’t really profile as a guy you can dream on. Not really sure what Jovic would fetch but he went #27 and didn’t show much last year so not sure he has first value. Maybe a second or two.

I feel like the hang up here continues to be Herro. I doubt PDX is interested in him with Simons and I bet Miami isn’t getting much traction with dealing him. Miami’s best bet may be an injury in training camp that makes someone more desperate to trade for Herro. But, end of the day, paying a first for the right to pay Herro 4/120 just isn’t that attractive for most teams.

I think Jaquez might fetch a first, but it is more of a late first from a contender. A lot of his value was tied to his ability to play right away. He was also not really perceived as a first for much of the process, but rose late, and was considered a perfect Miami fit.

In terms of jovic, does he really even have more value right now that ty ty Washington, who has already been traded twice this offseason for zero positive value (and one of the deals was a pure contract dump where Houston paid to get rid of him). And he will not make the OKC roster, so he'll either be traded or waived by October. tyTy was drafted 2 picks after Jovic, and both were equally lousy at the NBA level. At least TyTy dominated G-league, Jovic did not.

 

[BigSoxFan]

I think Jaquez might fetch a first, but it is more of a late first from a contender. A lot of his value was tied to his ability to play right away. He was also not really perceived as a first for much of the process, but rose late, and was considered a perfect Miami fit.

In terms of jovic, does he really even have more value right now that ty ty Washington, who has already been traded twice this offseason for zero positive value (and one of the deals was a pure contract dump where Houston paid to get rid of him). And he will not make the OKC roster, so he'll either be traded or waived by October. tyTy was drafted 2 picks after Jovic, and both were equally lousy at the NBA level. At least TyTy dominated G-league, Jovic did not.

I agree with you. I don’t think Jovic adds much at all. Jaquez is a role player, which has less value to a team like Portland. I know the picks are the point here but there isn’t much to get excited about with the Miami offer.

 

[Jimbodandy]

I agree with you. I don’t think Jovic adds much at all. Jaquez is a role player, which has less value to a team like Portland. I know the picks are the point here but there isn’t much to get excited about with the Miami offer.

Good point. Jaquez probably has more value to a contender, but then you're back to how much Portland values what could be the #27 pick in 2027. I can't imagine any team offering even that for Jovic.

 

[mcpickl]

Assuming he doesn't get hurt (if he even plays), Lillard's value will be the highest at the trade deadline. If Miami is still the only legit suitor, at least Portland will have more information - Jacquez, Jovic and even Herro could be more attractive assets. The only way Miami wouldn't be willing to at least pay the same price to get Lillard in 6-7 months is if Bam or Butler get hurt and are out for the year, and 2024 looks like a lost cause for them.

Megadeals like a Dame trade would be are really hard to pull off in season.

Unless you're taking back a similar sized salary to Dame, the deal would likely be unbalanced like a 4 for 1 or 5 for 2 trade.

In the offseason those are easier to pull off since you're not limited to having 15 guys on your roster.

If Portland had a full 15 man roster at the deadline, they'd have to dump three more guys off their roster before completing a 4 for 1 type trade. In the offseason, they wouldn't have to.

 

[E5 Yaz]

Megadeals like a Dame trade would be are really hard to pull off in season.

Kevin Durant was traded to Phoenix in season

 

[moondog80]

Kevin Durant was traded to Phoenix in season

Yep. Harden has been traded mid-season twice.

 

[mcpickl]

Kevin Durant was traded to Phoenix in season

Shit! He was? I didn't realize that.

Tell me more.

Was it a 4 for 1 type trade like most of these rumored Dame trade offers have been?

Are you saying it isn't harder to pull off these megadeals in season than in the off season since, apparently, Kevin Durant was traded in season?

 

[E5 Yaz]

You said such trades would be hard to do. Moondog80 and I gave you examples showing that it can be done. That's all there is to it.

 

[moondog80]

Are you saying it isn't harder to pull off these megadeals in season than in the off season since, apparently, Kevin Durant was traded in season?

Why is it harder?

Ben Simmons made a trade request before the season began in 2021. Daryl Morey wasn't getting the offers he wanted, so he waited, and it took until January, but eventually he got James Harden. Who was a little past his peak, and now he too wants a trade, but he got 1.5 years of Harden and now whatever he can get in return, while Brooklyn owes Ben Simmons 78 million the next two years.

 

[Cellar-Door]

I really don't see the in-season trade being much harder. Teams trading away stars usually have detrius at the bottom of the roster, teams trading for stars can find ways to add depth, and plenty of teams are already either tanking or looking to add by the deadline to be 3rd and 4th teams.

POR has 11 guys on guaranteed contracts. Even if they signed their other 2nd (doubt it) they're going to have a bunch of disposable minimum guys on the roster.
As to MIA... the options for backfilling the roster won't be much different at the deadline than they are now.

 

[mcpickl]

You said such trades would be hard to do. Moondog80 and I gave you examples showing that it can be done. That's all there is to it.

Does hard mean impossible? If so, you have indeed got me sir.

Why is it harder?

Ben Simmons made a trade request before the season began in 2021. Daryl Morey wasn't getting the offers he wanted, so he waited, and it took until January, but eventually he got James Harden. Who was a little past his peak, and now he too wants a trade, but he got 1.5 years of Harden and now whatever he can get in return, while Brooklyn owes Ben Simmons 78 million the next two years.

Again, because of roster limits.

If you have to take back 4 guys and send out 1, you have to waive or trade elsewhere 3 other guys on your roster (assuming you have a full roster at the time) to complete the trade. If you're talking Simmons for Harden, they both make big salaries so it's not an issue. But most of the Dame rumors we're hearing now are bundling up a bunch of guys to match up to his salary.

It makes it harder. Not impossible fellas, but harder.

 

[EvilEmpire]

Portland absolutely should wait until the trade deadline, but I think it will get done in October unless they're willing to keep Dame.

Edit: I think Brooklyn wanted to keep KD but I don't think Portland feels the same about Dame, and that makes going into the season with this unresolved a little less likely.

 

[mcpickl]

I really don't see the in-season trade being much harder. Teams trading away stars usually have detrius at the bottom of the roster, teams trading for stars can find ways to add depth, and plenty of teams are already either tanking or looking to add by the deadline to be 3rd and 4th teams.

POR has 11 guys on guaranteed contracts. Even if they signed their other 2nd (doubt it) they're going to have a bunch of disposable minimum guys on the roster.
As to MIA... the options for backfilling the roster won't be much different at the deadline than they are now.

They sure do right now.

But the two guys that aren't fully guaranteed will be by seasons start. And they'll add at least one other guy between now and the trade deadline.

That's more guys to move. And if you can't move, more guys to pay.

 

[Cellar-Door]

They sure do right now.

But the two guys that aren't fully guaranteed will be by seasons start. And they'll add at least one other guy between now and the trade deadline.

That's more guys to move. And if you can't move, more guys to pay.

I can't imagine POR's ownership group cares at all about paying 2-6M in cash this year in a deal that will likely save them tens of millions each of the next 2-4 years