Week 13 NFL game thread
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The hit by Alonso on Flacco that knocked Flacco out cold wasn't close to the hit on Kizer? Really? You be the Judge:
The hit on Bernard wasn't flagged because it's basically never been flagged unless it's against a QB or a defenseless receiver. Shit, almost every time you hear an announcer say "he put his helmet on the ball" leading to a fumble, it would be a "spear" the way the rule is written. The rule was put in place almost as much to protect the hitter as the person being hit. Fortunately, we've seen a massive movement away from tackling like this, but to expect most of these guys who were taught to hit this way from grade school onward to just be able to completely stop from doing it is a bit much to expect. To then be able to make a determination as to their character away from the field because of a couple of hits is more than a bit much, IMO.
I agree with all of this, except maybe the comparison to DMC. They are two different guys, playing two different positions with two very different roles. Shazier is a 230 pound inside linebacker, and McCourty might be 200 pounds and he plays a deep free safety most of the time, and it's his job to be the last line of defense, not to blow up the running plays, etc. A better comparison to Shazier would be a guy like Hightower or Collins (or Rodney Harrison or Junior Seau).
Even if they were to have called that a catch, the ground forced the ball out and it would have been a completion and down by contact, right?
I thought he caught it, hit the ground, was down by contact and then it came out.
Obviously in todays NFL I have no idea what a catch is.
I give up.
are mcdonough or gruden going to even consider the idea that maybe cincy is able to run up the middle every play because PIT is on their 8th string MLB?
Sadly, I predict it won't because the Steelers are the Steelers and the Bengals are, have been and always will be the Bengals.
This is one time where I'll be thrilled to be wrong.
i think if it was moving enough for him to have never made the catch (as was ruled), then it was also theoretically possible for it to have been moving before he hit the ground, meaning the ground didn't cause the fumble.
of course, it wasn't, but that had to be what they were hoping for.
The Alonso hit isn't playing, but he had a split-second decision to make. Shazier clearly started going towards Kizer after he had begun his slide.
And he put his helmet directly into Bernard's helmet after lining him up outside the tackle box, knocking him out cold and wiring his jaw shut. I'd love to see how that's a common play.
As for Shazier's incredible character, Burfict is clean as a whistle off the field. I'm sure you're more than willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. He's done a bunch of dumb shit, but nothing as egregious as either of those plays yet the narratives for both players have already been written. Oh well.
i actually don't think PIT is going to get close enough for it to matter. probably putting the reverse kibosh on, but i'm going with it.
That makes sense, but isn't it comical that we're at this point with this sport when it comes to a catch.
I'm with you on this.
That said, I'm having a hard time rooting against the Steelers in light of what happened earlier tonight.
Just click on the little thing that says "Watch it on youtube" and you can watch the Alonso hit. I mean, Shazier hits Kizer around the midsection. He doesn't get anywhere near his head." A split second decision? I really think you need to watch the play, and the replays. There is nothing split second about the forearm shiver he throws to Flacco's head as he crushes him. It was probably the dirtiest hit on a sliding quarterback that we've seen in the NFL in years, which is why you see the immediate reaction from everyone there, including the coaches on the sidelines.
Are you serious about the Burfict shit? Seriously? I get it now, you are a Bengals fan, aren't you? Nothing as egregious as either of those plays? WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
Did you not see this hit on Antonio Brown?
Or how about when he tried to break Cam Newton's ankle?
The Cam Newton one was in the same game when he did the same thing to Greg Olsen:
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/nfl/carolina-panthers/article9201446.html
You know what, here is a nice synopsis of Burfict's 7 dirtiest plays. I submit it's not even half of what I could find if i wantned to look. You tell me how none of these are as egregious as Shazier hitting Kizer in his belly:
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2017/08/vontaze-burfict-suspension-hit-dirty-play-history-bengals-antonio-brown-sherman
i think all the leagues have been forced to deal in their own way with the fact that video tech is so much better now, and TV has angles in an instant that nobody could possibly see live. it exposes the incredible subjectivity of sports in a way that drives people nuts (even though any sane adult ought to be aware of it).
but the NFL has probably done the worst of any major sport in addressing it. the fact that they have to also try to mitigate the brain trauma epidemic at the same time doesn't help. but they've got a rulebook buried by inane minutiae combined with a replay system where many crucial decisions are arbitrarily unreviewable. it's the worst of both worlds. everyone can see they got it wrong but nobody can fix it.
It seems like the Steelers are at the exact opposite end of the spectrum compared to the Pats. It seems every Steeler incomplete pass is bailed out by a flag and the Pats can't buy a flag.
Edit: Except for the one in the end zone that probably should have been called. I give up on refs being consistent.
Maybe they are just consistently inconsistent.
That's what I thought at full speed, but on replay, it didn't look so bad. Looked like if he was still running the ball would have hit him in the back of the head.
I agree. Definite interference, but there wasn't a chance in hell he was going to get to that ball.
How many DPIs have the Bengals given up today? Wow.
Not watching; can someone give me an unbiased take on whether it is ref-ball, or are the calls justified?
Edit: thanks Hendu and Bambino.
Not watching; can someone give me an unbiased take on whether it is ref-ball, or are the calls justified?
Edit: thanks Hendu and Bambino.
I just think its' honestly incompetence. I think they are missing calls they should make, and making calls they shouldn't make. There is absolutely no consistency from play to play.
The NFL will grade that DPI call as correct. They want the flag anytime the DB uses his hands to prevent a receiver from getting two hands in the air. While obviously it didn't affect stride, he was grabbing (and maintained the grab for several steps) the wrist of the receiver. That's subtle, that's taught, and that's a foul