Week 7: The Game Thread

Deathofthebambino

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Kirk Cousins trade upcoming for SF. This is the opening Shanny's been looking for to bring in his binkie.

I'm 75% kidding.
If the Niners have the cap space to go get Kirk Cousins, given all the fucking talent on that roster, then I simply will not understand how the Pats have ended up with the roster that they have.
 

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If the Niners have the cap space to go get Kirk Cousins, given all the fucking talent on that roster, then I simply will not understand how the Pats have ended up with the roster that they have.
he is only owed his game checks for the acquiring team. It’s not that much. Heavily discussed by Jets media. He has a no trade clause and would not go to the Jets but may waive for SF.

https://www.theringer.com/platform/amp/nfl/2023/10/11/23912352/minnesota-vikings-trade-kirk-cousins-justin-jefferson
 

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Wouldn't the Vikes have to eat a 28.5mil dead cap hit in 2024 if they trade him this season, or am I misunderstanding it?
I thought that was happening trade or not but I’m not a cap expert so only saying what I think I heard someone else say. He is FA after this year.
 

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I thought that was happening trade or not but I’m not a cap expert so only saying what I think I heard someone else say. He is FA after this year.
But he has 4 void years tacked on to the end of his deal with the $28.5 million in bonus dollars. If he is traded now, that all accelerates on to this year's cap, so he'd cost against the cap an extra $28.5 million less the rest of his guaranteed salary this year, so subtract about $6 million off that leaving about $22.5 million. They only have $8 million in cap space, so they'd have to find a way to clear $14.5 million.
 

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Why is Minnesota trading their QB again?
FA next year and team rumored to want a restart. This regime didn’t bring KC in. Whether or not this is the smart move, I can’t say. It has been reported for a long time that they were willing to listen to offers.
 

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I don't see them trading Cousins. They've just beaten the supposed class of the NFC and have now won three of their last four and are two games out of 1st in their division with 10 games to go. And seven of those games are against teams that are .500 or worse with the only teams with winning records being the 4-3 Falcons and the Lions twice.

I think they've got a decent chance at winning their division and hosting a playoff game.
 

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Maybe the Eagles might be a great team
I agree, but don't sleep on the Chiefs. Their defense's improvement may make up for whatever slippage their offense has suffered.

Back to the Eagles, if they stay healthy, I could see them peaking by the end of the season. This team hasn't looked as good as they did last season, but they are breaking in a new OC and a new DC, which is why I could see them getting better as the season goes on.
 

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I agree, but don't sleep on the Chiefs. Their defense's improvement may make up for whatever slippage their offense has suffered.

Back to the Eagles, if they stay healthy, I could see them peaking by the end of the season. This team hasn't looked as good as they did last season, but they are breaking in a new OC and a new DC, which is why I could see them getting better as the season goes on.
The Chiefs also have a massive advantage of having every call go their way. Chiefs plus Refs = best team in the NFL by a mile
 

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The Chiefs also have a massive advantage of having every call go their way. Chiefs plus Refs = best team in the NFL by a mile
There were a couple of calls in the AFCCG when the Pats played the Chiefs that didn't go KC's way, as I recall. One big one that DID, but a couple key ones that didn't.
 

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I specifically remember the no-call on the swing pass to Williams when there was a clear pick like 5 yards downfield that had BB throwing his tablet in frustration.
Multiple penalties on that drive beforehand. Pats got a turnover, called back on a holding. Then DPI on JCJ that was... questionable.
 

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I specifically remember the no-call on the swing pass to Williams when there was a clear pick like 5 yards downfield that had BB throwing his tablet in frustration.
There was also a game sealing fumble by Kelce that was called back due to defensive holding on JC Jackson with about 3 minutes to go. Would have given the Patriots the ball in Chiefs territory up 3.

The late drive by the Chiefs to take the lead in that game went: incomplete, Kelce fumble called back due to holding, incomplete, defensive pass interference on JC Jackson, incomplete, Sammy Watkins TD on obvious uncalled OPI. It's stunning how much the refs worked to hand them that TD.
 

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Ah yes. Fun times. But nonetheless it's true that some key calls also went against KC in that game.
 

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Ah yes. Fun times. But nonetheless it's true that some key calls also went against KC in that game.
The only one that was halfway arguable was the roughing the passer call in the 4th quarter, but even that one was on second down. The Dee Ford offsides is just as obvious and objective a penalty as you'll see, how could that go uncalled?
 

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I agree, but don't sleep on the Chiefs. Their defense's improvement may make up for whatever slippage their offense has suffered.

Back to the Eagles, if they stay healthy, I could see them peaking by the end of the season. This team hasn't looked as good as they did last season, but they are breaking in a new OC and a new DC, which is why I could see them getting better as the season goes on.
My only question on the Eagles is the number of turnovers by Hurts. I mean people are quick to point out Purdy with three interceptions in his last two games, but Hurts has been turning it over at a higher rate as well. If he cuts down on those, the Eagles are going to be tough to beat.
 

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The only one that was halfway arguable was the roughing the passer call in the 4th quarter, but even that one was on second down. The Dee Ford offsides is just as obvious and objective a penalty as you'll see, how could that go uncalled?
I've seen that go uncalled lots of times. I've seen guys line up in the neutral zone without it getting called lots.
 

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We also got a favorable call on what looked like an unintentional touch by Edelman on a punt. This "the Chiefs win because they get all the calls' stuff is beneath us. The Chiefs win because they have an excellent coach and the best QB in football. We should recognize the power of that winning formula, because it was ours for two decades.
 

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I've seen that go uncalled lots of times. I've seen guys line up in the neutral zone without it getting called lots.
So they benefitted from an obvious call because refs have screwed up in this situation before? I think when we speak in terms of being the beneficiary of calls we don't generaly include ones that were 100% factually correct.
 

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We also got a favorable call on what looked like an unintentional touch by Edelman on a punt. This "the Chiefs win because they get all the calls' is beneath us. The Chiefs win because they have an excellent coach and the best QB in football. We should recognize the power of that winning formula, because it was ours for two decades.
Yeah, I have no patience for that either, but coming out of that Pats game general consensus was that the Chiefs were screwed by the refs when a whole lot of ticky tacky calls on big moments went their way.
 

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Yeah, I have no patience for that either, but coming out of that Pats game general consensus was that the Chiefs were screwed by the refs when a whole lot of ticky tacky calls on big moments went their way.
The better team, better coach, and better QB won that day. Today, the better team and better QB are definitely in KC, so they can enjoy their run.
 

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Yeah, I have no patience for that either, but coming out of that Pats game general consensus was that the Chiefs were screwed by the refs when a whole lot of ticky tacky calls on big moments went their way.
That's why I dismissed their whining, because shit broke both ways in that game. The Dee Ford play was a penalty as was the uncalled pick play.
 

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There were a couple of calls in the AFCCG when the Pats played the Chiefs that didn't go KC's way, as I recall. One big one that DID, but a couple key ones that didn't.
That was then. This is now. There's a changing of the guard.
 

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We also got a favorable call on what looked like an unintentional touch by Edelman on a punt. This "the Chiefs win because they get all the calls' stuff is beneath us. The Chiefs win because they have an excellent coach and the best QB in football. We should recognize the power of that winning formula, because it was ours for two decades.
Yep. It's also embarrassing because every fan base in the NFL bitched and moaned that the Pats got all the calls for 20 years. Meanwhile, according to Pats fans we're on a 350+ game streak of having the refs totally against us and making many more calls that favor the other team. It's almost like officiating is just bad, and not intentionally biased.
 

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My only question on the Eagles is the number of turnovers by Hurts. I mean people are quick to point out Purdy with three interceptions in his last two games, but Hurts has been turning it over at a higher rate as well. If he cuts down on those, the Eagles are going to be tough to beat.
No doubt about this. I think it was during the SNF broadcast that they showed the Eagles had basically the same amount of yards and points per game as last season, but their turnover differential was like +12 through six games last year and it's -1 or something this year. That's the main difference between "whoa the Eagles are amazing" and "the Eagles are a good team that doesn't look great".
 

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No doubt about this. I think it was during the SNF broadcast that they showed the Eagles had basically the same amount of yards and points per game as last season, but their turnover differential was like +12 through six games last year and it's -1 or something this year. That's the main difference between "whoa the Eagles are amazing" and "the Eagles are a good team that doesn't look great".
I think that bodes well for them. They're having shitty execution, making mistakes and still winning while producing offense at a similar level to last year. If they cut the mistakes out the Eagles could be a wagon. Clearly they have shown an ability to win rock fights.
 

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My only question on the Eagles is the number of turnovers by Hurts. I mean people are quick to point out Purdy with three interceptions in his last two games, but Hurts has been turning it over at a higher rate as well. If he cuts down on those, the Eagles are going to be tough to beat.
Hurts had 3 picks against the Jets but I would say only the last one was on him.