I think the Ingram thing is a pipe dream. The Pelicans are playing better now and their GM wants to keep his job. Why in the world would he trade Ingram in a “blow it up” package?
Agreed on the Collins portion, but how good is Collins actually? I don’t watch the Hawks (like at all) and I know he has the reputation of being a good player but in Seth Partnows recent player tiers, he was in the exact same tier as Horford. Is that worth cashing in all of your chips on?
The Ingram thing would largely depend on Zion and probably wouldn't happen until after next season at the earliest anyway. He'd have 2 years left. More likely, he'd be traded after the 23/24 season when CJ is up for FA. Ingram wouldn't even really have to demand a trade at that point. It's trade him or lose him at the end of the season for nothing.
Collins could happen as soon as this offseason, but I'm not sure the C's really have the pieces to get it done. The asking price was rumored to be a decent 1st rounder and a starter.
I'm not sure Collins is really a 3rd star but he looks like a good fit with the Jays and TL. I think any deal for him would involve Marcus Smart so it would require acquiring a PG. John Collins is also not nearly the passer Horford is, though if JT and JB continue to progress, that should be less of an issue. Still, it's nice to have 5 guys who can pass the ball on the court. I also worry about JC getting enough touches. While he's definitely a threat from 3, he's not a huge volume guy. He relies on others to get him the ball. I fear he ends up only scoring like 12 or 13 points a night on the Celtics. With that said, he's put up 17 PPG only averaging 12.1 FGA/G the last 2 seasons on 30.0 mpg. He also plays along side Capela so TL shouldn't be an issue. This year Al is at 8.6 and Smart is at 10. I'd assume both of those guys would be gone if JC is on board.
Since JC would be replacing Horford, the last 2 seasons. JC listed first.
Average Shot Distance: 11.4 to 15.4 feet
% of FGA that were 3s: 27.1% to 45.1%
% of FGA that were dunks: 14.6% (184) vs 4.5% (35)
% of FGA that were corner 3s: 28.4% (38.5% 3FG%) vs 21.2% (34.1%)
0-3ft: 75.1% FG% vs 72.2%
3'-10': 45.1% vs 46.7%
10'-16': 49.7% vs 50.7% (wow to both)
16'-3: 48.1% vs 41.1%
3pt: 38.3% vs 33.7%
% of FG assisted: 75.4%/98.6% (2pt/3pt) vs 63.7%/95.4%.
While I'm sure playing with Trae Young has hurt Collins a bit, Collins isn't going to revert back to a 20/10 player with the C's. Something I found interesting that's kind or related but unrelated: FGA/36: Young 21.1, Tatum 20.9. 3PA/36: Young 8.0, Tatum 8.5.
All things equal, I'd heavily prefer Ingram over Collins. They aren't. I wouldn't wait around 2 years hoping for Ingram to become available if I could acquire JC for a reasonable price this offseason, trade/dump Al and acquire a PG to start or back up White.
Ingram has a lot (less lately) of distractors on the board but I think pretty much everyone agrees he's in the group with Jaylen Brown. He is unequivocally a 3rd star. I think his defense would be considerably better next to Tatum/TL and being able to spend less energy on offense. Dude is 6'8 with a 7'3 wingspan and 9'1 standing reach. He's in between Jaylen Brown and TL. (6'7/7'0/8.8'5 and 6'8/7'6/9'4). He's also at a career high 28.0% assist % and it's been climbing as the season has progressed.
JC is at 6'9, 6'11, 8'10.5.
Out of all "realistic" targets, Ingram or LaVine are the 2 prizes. Depending on what people consider realistic targets.