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5 points in OT and tons of missed open looks. Probably the most winnable game
1. They’re not very good on the road.
2. They’re atrocious in OT.
3. They desperately need a healthy Porzingis to go all the way.
Desperately needing your arguably second best player to win the title is the same thing every NBA team could say.
 

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Well, Curry is also a shit defender, so forcing him into the action usually works out well too.

I mean, that's how they got him into foul trouble in the first place.
They did attack him for large stretches of the 4th. GS doubled every time, Boston sometimes made the right pass, but they just kept missing. I don't have any problem with the game plan or shot selection down the stretch (other than Joe not calling TO again), sometimes you just miss everything.
 

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Yeah not sure why he was even out there tbh. He clearly had zero burst and hardly even tried to take it to the basket. The few times he did he either left a layup short or got bailed out by a foul.
The worst part will be when Tatum can’t play against the Kings because his ankle swelled from continuing to play shitty tonight
 

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They missed wide open 3’s. Jaylen missed a lay-up. Tatum missed a lay-up, Al missed the tip in.
Just couldn’t buy a bucket down the stretch. Jaylen was the only one continually putting pressure on the defense.

Horford made the one corner 3 but other than that looked awful
 

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Still not convinced Joe has a good or even average in-game feel. I don't know. Will he ever be the coach who pushes the exact right button to make a critical in-game adjustment that wasn't the obvious on-paper move? You can do a lot with the right combination of rotations but I'm talking what to do when something isn't working, or when to stick with something that is working but isn't in the regular script.
 

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0-3 in overtime this year

Your joking right?

he played 41 minutes
He played 41 minutes in game 7 against Miami last year, too. I know it's not the same and I can't imagine they'd let him play if it was serious, but I guess it could just be a massive coincidence that he had his worst offensive game of the year after rolling his ankle seriously enough to cause him to literally jog back to the locker room while the ball was still live.
 

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Between leaving an ice cold Sam Hauser in for waaaaaaay too long and not calling a TO at the end of regulation, Joe totally fucked that game.

And Curry is a classless punk.

What a hideous night in Boston sports.

Did Breslow add a career .227 hitter with hidden upside?? That would be the cherry on the shit-tasting Sundae.
 

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0-3 in overtime this year

Your joking right?

he played 41 minutes
I’ll say it again, it’s entirely possible that Tatum’s ankle is hurting him. If it is, then he can’t be calling for the ball on important possessions at the top of the key. Thats 100% on Tatum…..
 

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I find the complaints about the coaching amusing on a night when there were some pretty glaringly player-responsible fuckups.

I also have yet to see a good argument for (or against) calling a timeout in that situation other than everyone else does it.
 

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He played 41 minutes in game 7 against Miami last year, too. I know it's not the same and I can't imagine they'd let him play if it was serious, but I guess it could just be a massive coincidence that he had his worst offensive game of the year after rolling his ankle seriously enough to cause him to literally jog back to the locker room while the ball was still live.
My 11-yr old said he's not as explosive and as aggressive as he was before he went to the locker room. Yeah, it was obvious. He also had few touches in overtime.
 

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Bill Simmons can shut the fuck up, the only thing more annoying than Curry incessantly chewing on his mouth guard is that out of touch fart tweeting anything.

That said, goddammit Joe call a fucking time out, man. Just call it already, it's such a fucking dumb thing we have to talk about in these last possession losses.
 

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I know an Internet's worth more about coaching than Bill Simmons.
The thing is, a timeout doesn't do crap if you can't convert open looks. Its funny that a basketball person like Simmons cannot even recognize that the C's had plenty of shots at the rim as well as beyond the arc. They couldn't shoot, especially at the end. Btw, does Simmons know he is mostly yelling his hot takes to racists and bots these days or is that a deliberate crossover?
 

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I find the complaints about the coaching amusing on a night when there were some pretty glaringly player-responsible fuckups.
I’m definitely not a Mazzulla fan boy but I have to agree.

They looked organized on the last play of regulation, Tatum just botched it. I didn’t see any other obvious timeout situations or obvious screw ups
 

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He played 41 minutes in game 7 against Miami last year, too. I know it's not the same and I can't imagine they'd let him play if it was serious, but I guess it could just be a massive coincidence that he had his worst offensive game of the year after rolling his ankle seriously enough to cause him to literally jog back to the locker room while the ball was still live.
They probably didn't want him to sit either because it would've gotten stiff.
 

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He played 41 minutes in game 7 against Miami last year, too. I know it's not the same and I can't imagine they'd let him play if it was serious, but I guess it could just be a massive coincidence that he had his worst offensive game of the year after rolling his ankle seriously enough to cause him to literally jog back to the locker room while the ball was still live.
He shouldn't play 41 minutes if he is hobbled during a regular season game, right?
 

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I find the complaints about the coaching amusing on a night when there were some pretty glaringly player-responsible fuckups.

I also have yet to see a good argument for (or against) calling a timeout in that situation other than everyone else does it.
Because we have a pretty large sample size of it not working at this point?
 

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It is funny that no one on the internet complained about the OKC coach when he didn’t call timeout against the Nuggets at the end of the game.

Celtics are a better team but missed a ton of open shots.
 

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They missed about a thousand bunnies at the end of the game and in OT, as well.

But if not calling a time out and letting them play results in a shitty Tatum iso on a night where he hurt his ankle and wasn't shooting well, I prefer a better option to be drawn up.
 

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It's not even about drawing up an elaborate play. You can call a timeout and run the same shit but set up some kind of motion to present an alternative option, or set a screen or two. Anything to make the D think twice. We don't need to keep pretending that Tatum is Harden or Trae on these kinds of plays.

They don't really have a quick guy but the running start play they used to run for IT was great and IIRC running a fake play to the backcourt has worked too. I know Brad knows this.
 

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0-3 in overtime this year

Your joking right?

he played 41 minutes
no, im not joking? He came back after the 1st q and didnt look like he had much burst. maybe did a bit more in the 2nd half but didnt look the same to me.

They missed about a thousand bunnies at the end of the game and in OT, as well.

But if not calling a time out and letting them play results in a shitty Tatum iso on a night where he hurt his ankle and wasn't shooting well, I prefer a better option to be drawn up.
ya im all for not calling timeout to get a good matchup but that end of game possession was brutal.
 

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He shouldn't play 41 minutes if he is hobbled during a regular season game, right?
Probably not, but:

-It was 36 in regulation, right at his season average.
-Just because he can move around and there's no risk of hurting it more (neither of which is certain) does not mean he's 100%. He definitely rolled his ankle, he definitely thought he was hurt, he was definitely less aggressive the rest of the game, and he definitely had his worst shooting night of the season. It's not a major leap to connect the dots.
 

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I find the complaints about the coaching amusing on a night when there were some pretty glaringly player-responsible fuckups.

I also have yet to see a good argument for (or against) calling a timeout in that situation other than everyone else does it.
The last possession was a disorganized mess that ended in a horrible shot.
 

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"sample size" is a statistics concept but this whole "call the timeout" thing is off of vibes alone. but its a game thread too so i have that to factor in
need to keep remembering this. i regard this forum as so, so much better then like r/bostonceltics but game threads really bring the takes out.
 

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On the lack of timeout, it's particularly irritating to see what they did down 4 with 39 seconds and after a timeout: Designed play for a wide open corner 3, in less than 5 seconds.
 

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it wasn't disorganized. tatum just botched it. are we not doing accountability to the players?
If by botched you mean "did the same thing with the same result as all the other times they have the ball at the end of a game" then yes I suppose he botched it.
 

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That one possession where they missed 4 wide open threes and a wide open uncontested layup that should have been a dunk with 45 seconds left was a backbreaker.
 

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It's not even about drawing up an elaborate play. You can call a timeout and run the same shit but set up some kind of motion to present an alternative option, or set a screen or two.

They don't really have a quick guy but the running start play they used to run for IT was great and IIRC running a fake play to the backcourt has worked too. I know Brad knows this.
I’d have preferred a timeout but, IMO, it wasn’t GLARING that he needed to call one. There were a few times last year where it was obvious to anyone with eyes that the players were disorganized and needed a timeout to regroup and Joe didn’t call one. Those drove me crazy.

Tonight, they seemed organized. Holiday got the ball up pretty quickly and gave the ball to Tatum with about 7 seconds left. It seemed like they wanted to get him into an ISO situation
 

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If by botched you mean "did the same thing with the same result as all the other times they have the ball at the end of a game" then yes I suppose he botched it.
end of game possession FG pct is around 25 or 30 pct league wide. you're options are various flavors of shitty shots. Tatum took the lowest effort option I assume because his ankle wasn't feeling
 

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tatum needs to take some heat there. youre tied at the end of the game there's absolutely zero reason anything but a wide open 3 to be the final shot of the game. he did nothing to try and create an advantage w/ the situation.
 

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end of game possession FG pct is around 25 or 30 pct league wide. you're options are various flavors of shitty shots. Tatum took the lowest effort option I assume because his ankle wasn't feeling
So…call a timeout, and get the ball out of his hands maybe.
 

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Especially once Tatum turns his back to the basket near halfcourt with 7 seconds left. Call a timeout. That is not an advantageous situation.
 

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Why are they so fucking bad in OT? 4-7 last year and 0-3 this year. Can't be just the wrong side of the natural variance of OT results at this point.