2008 NFL Draft Game Thread, Day 2
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How? Cassel was a seventh round pick who has done dick in his time here. When given the chance in garbage time, he's sucked.
They've earned the benefit of the doubt, surely. That does not prohibit one from commenting on their picks. I've been wrong more times than I care to rehash when it comes to the draft but I still like chatting about it. It also doesn't make these last two selections less odd.
How do you know that wasn't EXACTLY what the Pats were looking for from that pick?
I heard they had their eyes on a former third round draft pick who has done dick in his time in the league. Someone who, when given the chance in garbage time, has sucked.
Hmmm
They've already offered their 2009 #1 for KOC. I kid, I kid.
As for Gerbil's point, stock-piling picks with such a deep roster affords you the chance to make some of these moves. There's no way all of these guys are making the team. It definitely has been interesting today.
Aren't they due for a TE with that last pick?
Sadly, I think even Cassel would be an upgrade for Da Bears.
Since we're taking players no one thinks we should go for, we might as well draft De'Cody Fagg and see if he can recover from that knee injury.
You're wrong on how the Pats set up their roster, though. They have always carried 1-2 guys who don't do anything but special teams coverage. Maybe Slater will be another and maybe he's worthless, but your description of ST guys is simply not how the Pats have built their unit. That, to me, is part of thinking about the pick.
Ok, I just did a google search on Matt Slater and I have to tell you that I think this pick is a HUGE mistake.
http://www.retinadance.com/index.php/profi...matthew_slater/
http://www.retinadance.com/index.php/profi...matthew_slater/
Yup, I agree.
(It will get settled on the field, of course, but hypothetically):
- Goodbye: Samuel, Wilson, Gay, Colvin, Stallworth, T. Brown, K. Brady, Seau (?), W. Andrews (?), M. Mitchell (?), Cassel (?), Alexander (?)
- FA: T. Williams, F. Bryant, J. Webster, V. Hobson, TJ Slaughter
- Bump up depth chart: C. Jackson, K. Washington, D. Thomas
- Hello: Mayo, Crable, Wheatley, Wilhite, O'Connell, Slater
I'm thinking (hoping?) that it will be Chad Jackson. This is the all-important "WR third year" for CJ.
Getting a backup QB who you have enough faith in to retain for several years in the seventh round is terrific value, btw, to whoever was ripping the Cassell pick earlier.
Is there any more there? We have no real idea either way...the guy could be the third-best QB in the NFL and he wouldn't have played any more than he has (not that I think he is, of course, just noting that citing lack of PT for him is beyond silly)
Is there any more there? We have no real idea either way...the guy could be the third-best QB in the NFL and he wouldn't have played any more than he has (not that I think he is, of course, just noting that citing lack of PT for him is beyond silly)
Anyone catch someone named Samamntha call out Scouts, Inc. on the ESPN drafttracker. Funny stuff:
"Samantha (Atlanta, GA): You guys are so lazy. You literally answer a question every 3 to 5 minutes. Its quite pathetic and I'm sure you get paid fairly well. How do you sleep at night? It wouldn't surprise me if you were hanging with Talib and Manningham, smoking out and sitting around on your lazy aces!!
Scouts, Inc.'s Ken Moll: Samantha, RELAX , RELAX - it takes a while , just RELAX !!"
"Samantha (Atlanta, GA): You guys are so lazy. You literally answer a question every 3 to 5 minutes. Its quite pathetic and I'm sure you get paid fairly well. How do you sleep at night? It wouldn't surprise me if you were hanging with Talib and Manningham, smoking out and sitting around on your lazy aces!!
Scouts, Inc.'s Ken Moll: Samantha, RELAX , RELAX - it takes a while , just RELAX !!"
Heck of a trade. Wonder how pissed Tampa's going to be to find out we already made the picks for them.
Here's hoping he returns a pick for a TD at some point this year.
I want to see twinkle toes in action.
When did I state they don't have 1-2 special teams coverage guys? I said you don't draft them, ideally and specifically stated that drafting two of them in the same draft is odd.
Excellent point. How does one test for hip fluidity? Is there a home test? I'd like to know how fluid my hips are.
I guess what I don't understand is how many guys on the board people think will make the Pats in a non-ST role. That, to me, is a pretty obvious condition precedent to not liking the pick of a ST specialist.
Going for an injured prospect seems one argument against it; those guys can be an interesting upside gamble. Not sure that there's a clear pick there though.
Gerbil, you said you don't draft guys who can't play a position. If you agree that the Pats carry a couple guys without another position I'm not clear why you wouldn't draft someone to potentially fill those slots, then.
Going for an injured prospect seems one argument against it; those guys can be an interesting upside gamble. Not sure that there's a clear pick there though.
Gerbil, you said you don't draft guys who can't play a position. If you agree that the Pats carry a couple guys without another position I'm not clear why you wouldn't draft someone to potentially fill those slots, then.
He always seems a little testy. I feel like he's the guy who will get up in your face for something you say in casual conversation and make things all awkward.
You don't usually draft them because those positions are filled by failed positional picks like Kelley Washington, of which there are loads. Let's put it this way - how many players can you remember being drafted over the past 10 years who's only apparent position in the NFL before being drafted was special teams coverage guy? Drafting guys who have no projectable position in the NFL is odder than drafting a punter.
edit: Oh! I've got something odder than drafting a gunner. Drafting a long snapper, which may be on tap for the 6th.
That's not the right question, though. The question is whether picking a ST cover guy there was the best use of the Pats pick.
I don't think it makes much sense to compare the Pats situation to the average team over the past ten years---they have a vastly superior draft/assessment record and a much more complete roster right now than the average team. Look at it this way (which is a lot more relevant to the question I asked above): how many draft picks in the 5.6.7 round for the Pats the last 3-4 years have been anything but special teams players for them? O'Callaghan, basically, and Cassell. Far more guys couldn't make the roste, and so even making it as a gunner for a couple years would represent more value than they've gotten.
Who is the guy you think they could have taken there with a better chance of doing something....Goff? I guess you never know. It's clearly not a high upside pick but that, to me, isn't the same as it being a mistake. We'll see.
This team grabbed Koppen in the 5th after a 2nd SB victory. They took Tully Banta-Cain in the 7th after 2 in 3 years. They can get every down players here, if they're willing to use the roster spot to develop them. They've been less willing to do that in recent years.
