2013-2014 15-501 Hoops (aka Duke/UNC and general ACC hoops talk)

[minischwab]

Check out Cook jump with Mason, ha!

Watching live, when Cook released that ball, I was sure it was headed for the stands. Mason can just fly. And not in the "he can jump for a big man" kind of way or "he can jump for a white boy" kind of way. He has the highest Vert on the team!

Really impressed with the character Duke showed last night. Exhausted after Atlantis, down 8 at the half, OSU playing great D. Cook and Sulaimon took over in the 2nd half playing against one of the premier defensive players in the country in Craft. Curry is really hurting, maybe now is a good time to rest him a few weeks and let Murphy and Jefferson get some minutes on the wing, see if one can develop a little and contribute in ACC play.

 

[DukeSox]

Duke has the longest current run in the poll -- 101 weeks which started with the preseason poll of 2007-08. Kansas has the second-longest run at 69 weeks.

Still #2 behind Indiana. UNC down to 16 and 20.

 

[SuperManny]

Parker would be huge for Duke.

Reports: Jabari Parker nears decision

Chicago Simeon's Jabari Parker, the No. 2 senior in the country, will announce his collegiate plans on Dec. 20, according to multiple reports.

Parker's final list of schools consists of BYU, Duke, Florida, Michigan State and Stanford. He's made official visits to all the schools except for Stanford. He made unofficial visits to all of the schools.

Parker's father, Sonny Parker, told USA Today he isn't sure which way his son is leaning, but he's guessing it's between Duke and Michigan State.

 

[DukeSox]

Mich State is much more local for his fam etc., I'd expect him to join the izzone

 

[DukeSox]

he's mormon

 

[tims4wins]

Hello #1

 

[DukeSox]

just another season for duke bball

 

[minischwab]

just another season for duke bball

More true than I realized... According to Adam Rowe of Duke Hoop Blog, since 1984 recruiting class, every single recruiting class has played as the #1 team in the country for at least 1 week. That's a record that will never be touched by another program again.

 

[DukeSox]

Along similar lines, since 1986, every graduating Duke class (that's 26 years of graduations) has seen a Final Four game, except just three years (1998, 2008, 2009 graduating classes).

 

[Greg29fan]

I think I mentioned this already but this is the worst North Carolina men's basketball team in the history of the program.

 

[tims4wins]

2002 says hi

 

[Greg29fan]

2002 says hi

any of Doherty's teams would destroy this one

 

[DukeSox]

man these UNC down seasons the past decade have been REALLY down

 

[Drocca]

Yeah, they run such a specific system now under Roy Williams that when the players aren't right or the chemistry is off then it is really shitty. And Doherty was just a shitty coach. Under Coach Smith even in 'down' years they were coached so well, and not specifically for one way to play, that they would still be Sweet 16 teams.

This year there is another issue; we didn't get the talent I think we were used to getting. Marcus Paige, frankly, looks terrible. I hope Kendall Marshall is living his dream starting in the D League. Joel James shows a flash here and there of future potential but he would be glued to the bench most years. Brice Johnson has an interesting offensive game but is so physically unprepared to play at this level. Tokoto is my favorite of the Freshmen and I actually think he could have a Danny Green lite career to look forward to but he's also very prone to Freshmen mistakes and has a suspect handle.

Our Sophmores? P.J. Hairston plays hard but I don't see the ridiculous shooter he was supposed to be. McAdoo will be an average pro and he's our best player but he lacks the ability to take over a game and it's pretty easy to frustrate him and force him to take terrible fade away jump shots. His steals are fun to watch but for every one he gets, he has three where he does that cheat move and leaves his guy open.

I'm going to stop. I could keep going but it's just depressing.

Meanwhile Duke...holy shit.

 

[RedOctober3829]

Jabari Parker to Duke.

 

[SuperManny]

Parker would be huge for Duke.

Mich State is much more local for his fam etc., I'd expect him to join the izzone

I figured that Duke might have a decent shot at him. How does he rank in comparison to Kyrie and Austin?

 

[RedOctober3829]

I figured that Duke might have a decent shot at him. How does he rank in comparison to Kyrie and Austin?

Jabari is a different player than both you mentioned. He reminds me of Paul Pierce and Grant Hill in that he can score, rebound, and pass at a high level. He's a high-character guy who is a winner. Perfect for Coach K.

 

[DukeSox]

this is the best Christmas ever!

 

[DukeSox]

100 straight non-conference wins at Cameron for Duke (St John's in 2000).

Also, K sending the message that this team WILL lose, probably several games.

"I thought we were mentally tired. You could see it in our faces," coach Mike Krzyzewski said. "The season is not going to be a perfect one, and I'm proud that we kept playing defense."

He loves this semi-coded message stuff.

more on Jabari Parker: http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/8767990/jabari-parker-just-say-no-duke-blue-devils-college-basketball

CHICAGO -- Jabari Parker didn't have fun on his visit to Duke.

In fact, it was his worst. He "wanted to be a kid," he said. The Duke visit was "all about business."

Nor was Parker impressed by Duke assistant coach Chris Collins' close ties to the Chicago area. "He's not from Chicago," Parker said. "He's from Northbrook."

And no, Duke coach Mike Krzyzewski didn't let Parker see a side of him no one else sees, or lower himself to the always-low levels many college coaches are willing to stoop to land a first-order talent like Parker's.

"He didn't let his guard down," Parker said. "He's Coach K."

 

[cshea]

Elon alum here, I thought we played pretty well last night, all things considered. Cook's Hail Mary 3 at the buzzer making it an 8 point half time deficit took the wind out of our sails a bit. Duke just doesn't miss wide open 3's. Atleast we competed for a good portion of the game, as opposed to our normal annual spanking at Cameron or the Dean Dome.

 

[tims4wins]

100 straight non-conference wins at Cameron for Duke (St John's in 2000).

[Berman voice] I remembah... cuz I was they'ah

 

[minischwab]

[Berman voice] I remembah... cuz I was they'ah

Bootsy says hello!

Edit:
Also, here is the best story I have seen on the Parker decision so far. Really breaks down the process and why he chose Duke.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/college-basketball/news/20121220/jabari-parker.ap/?sct=uk_t2_a3

 

[tims4wins]

Didn't realize this until just now - Duke went on a 50-6 run vs. Cornell. 50-6.

 

[Greg29fan]

good win today by Carolina against a ranked UNLV team and Carolina was w/o Reggie Bullock, who is probably their best player. Needed a quality win over a good team before ACC play.

 

[Greg29fan]

and they follow up the win over UNLV by laying another total egg. Just a bad, bad team outside of Reggie Bullock, with bad coaching to boot. Making the same errors and mistakes they were months ago.

 

[DukeSox]

Duke looking to go 15-0 tonight in a home game vs. Clemson, before heading to NC State this weekend, you know State will be jacked for that one.

 

[tims4wins]

Duke looking to go 15-0 tonight in a home game vs. Clemson, before heading to NC State this weekend, you know State will be jacked for that one.

First true road game too. Should be a war.

 

[DukeSox]

Breaking news:

Duke and Clemson have joined the B1G Conference.

Halftime score: 25-10.

 

[someoneanywhere]

Apropos of nothing, since this one is already in the can, but had Devin Booker brought the kind of passion and intensity to his sophomore and junior seasons that he has brought to his senior season -- he was a beast against FSU and is playing like a man tonight -- he'd be all-world by now.

 

[Greg29fan]

Carolina might lose by 60 Saturday @ Florida State. I wish I were kidding.

 

[DukeSox]

The 10 points allowed by Duke in the first half vs Clemson are the Blue Devils' fewest allowed in half vs an ACC team since February 24, 1979, when they allowed 0 points in the 1st half vs North Carolina.

Well, that game was a bit ugly, but quinn cook is a rockstar -- 12/16, 27 pts (out of his team's 68), 5 rbs, 5 assts, 4 stls, only 1 TO.

Duke finally out-rebounds an opponent, 39-28. Weird game for Plumlee, 8 pts (on 3/9), 13 rbs, 5 asts, but 6 TO -- I suspect much of his early season success was due to weaker competition.

K mentioned a stat the other day, assists to FGs allowed, in that he thought this team was allowing a really low number of assists. Sure enough, someone did the research and this Duke team is allowing the lowest assists:FGs ratio of any K Duke team. Tonight Clemson only had 3 assists, on 15 FGs. For comparison, Duke had 13 assists on 27 FGs.

 

[SuperManny]

Duke finally out-rebounds an opponent, 39-28. Weird game for Plumlee, 8 pts (on 3/9), 13 rbs, 5 asts, but 6 TO -- I suspect much of his early season success was due to weaker competition.

I was at the game against Wake over the weekend and Plumlee didn't look that good Although he ended up with decent numbers. That said he put up good stats against Kentucky, Louisville, and Ohio State early this season so he wasn't just feasting on poor competition.

 

[DukeSox]

Apparently Ryan Kelly got hurt (I was following online). K said after game not sure if they'd have him Saturday for NC State or not.

The last game that Ryan Kelly missed due to an injury was pretty sweet.

 

[Dave Stapleton]

Word is that the MRI on his knee was inconclusive. Could be bad.

 

[DukeSox]

You mean foot? Inconclusive also means it's not clearly hurt. But either way this would pretty much end Duke's chances at anything big this season, he's crucial to the team's style of play.

 

[Dave Stapleton]

You mean foot? Inconclusive also means it's not clearly hurt. But either way this would pretty much end Duke's chances at anything big this season, he's crucial to the team's style of play.

Yes ... had the combination of RGIII and Bowers (from Mizzou) on the brain.

 

[DukeSox]

"out indefinitely"

there goes the season.

 

[Drocca]

There goes the season for him or for Duke? I agree there goes the season for him but Duke can withstand his loss and still be a championship contender, right?

In news related to this thread: Carolina is terrible.

 

[DukeSox]

no, they can't. he makes life way easy for plumlee, and has really been the best player on the team as of late.

According to statsheet.com, Kelly had the highest plus-minus in the ACC (+190) this season *Kelly had an offensive rating of 126.8, the highest on Duke and 7th in the ACC (min. 10 games) * Kelly is averaging 1.24 points scored per post-up play, the highest average in the ACC (min. 15 plays) * As an on-ball defender, Kelly is allowing just 0.53 points per play on 22.2% field goal shooting, both which rank 2nd in the ACC (min. 70 plays)

 

[tims4wins]

Have you read somewhere that Kelly won't be returning this year? Seems like most reports have him out "several games" but not the rest of the season

 

[DukeSox]

Have you read somewhere that Kelly won't be returning this year? Seems like most reports have him out "several games" but not the rest of the season

Kyrie was "out indefinitely" as well. It sounds like they don't really know what's wrong, and it's the same foot he hurt last year and then again a few weeks ago. Sure, the likely scenario is he's out a month or so, and the optimist says it gives the bench players a chance to get some good experience against ACC competition in preparation for the tournaments, then RKelly will return and the team will be even better.

First, I'd prefer to see the core guys out there continue to play together and get better as a unit. Second, they're probably going to lose some ACC games in the next month or so, which isn't helpful for gettin dat numba one seed. Third, it's really annoying to have yet another foot injury derail a #1 team in the past few years.

 

[tims4wins]

Kyrie was "out indefinitely" as well. It sounds like they don't really know what's wrong, and it's the same foot he hurt last year and then again a few weeks ago. Sure, the likely scenario is he's out a month or so, and the optimist says it gives the bench players a chance to get some good experience against ACC competition in preparation for the tournaments, then RKelly will return and the team will be even better.

First, I'd prefer to see the core guys out there continue to play together and get better as a unit. Second, they're probably going to lose some ACC games in the next month or so, which isn't helpful for gettin dat numba one seed. Third, it's really annoying to have yet another foot injury derail a #1 team in the past few years.

Don't disagree with any of that. Clearly they did NOT adjust well to Kyrie returning for the tournament two years ago. Hopefully Kelly is back sooner than that, I feel like they need at least 5 or so games to gel again.

You're totally right about the losses and the 1 seed; I'm just hoping that the ACC is down enough so that Duke still gets through with 13 or so wins, which should still be enough for a 1 seed given the non-conference resume.

 

[DukeSox]

I mean, we're Duke. We should just get the #1 seed by default, because we deserve and are entitled to it.

 

[Greg29fan]

time to retire ol' Roy

 

[DukeSox]

what if UNC bifurcated the leadership structure? you have a head of recruiting and a head of coaching?

 

[Greg29fan]

He didn't recruit worth a shit the last 2 years either.

 

[Greg29fan]

I don't see how the Dukies don't curb stomp UNC twice this year. UNC's talent doesn't impress me in the least.

Forget Dook, I don't see how Carolina wins a conference game this year.

 

[DukeSox]

Well, duke was missing its best player of late and then second/third best player after curry got hurt. Impressive they kept it that close against the team that was picked to win the acc and is finally coming into form. State is really good.

Duke will be fine if they get Kelly and curry back.

 

[Greg29fan]

it's probably sacrilege but I hate NC State more than Dook. NC State's entire fanbase acts like they've done something lately when Carolina and Duke have been hoisting banner upon banner since the last time NC State was relevant. The entire offseason it was all about how great they were going to be and how this was their year and then they court charge? That's why nobody respects you.

 

[DukeSox]

I love the hate in that post

nc state is the red headed stepchild. big high school.