2014 Draft Game Day 2

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Do not question Bill B. you bitches.
So tired of this crap. Just shut down the thread or change the name of the thread to "BB ballwasher's club"

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RedOctober3829 said:
I hate this pick with a passion. Wasting a 2nd on a player who won't see the field barring injury?? I can't understand this at all.
 
How many years does Brady have left? What if he's told management he's only playing 2 more years? What do you think about it then?
 
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Deathofthebambino said:
I disagree PKB, and I agree with Wibi.  Unless something is already in place for Mallett, this has to hurt his value.  It's basic leverage.   The Pats have shown their hand.  They have to move Mallett now, otherwise, they literally just wasted a second round pick.  And if you have to do something, and the other team knows you have to do it, why would they offer you the same in return as they would have when you didn't need to move him?
100% the truth, they basically devalued Mallett from 2nd string to 3rd string.
 

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twibnotes said:
So tired of this crap. Just shut down the thread or change the name of the thread to "BB ballwasher's club"

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Guess what's just as tiring?
 

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RedOctober3829 said:
I hate this pick with a passion. Wasting a 2nd on a player who won't see the field barring injury?? I can't understand this at all.
Well, it's a QB, not a backup Guard.
 

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100% the truth, they basically devalued Mallett from 2nd string to 3rd string.
For all the teams unaware that Mallett is on the last year of his deal, yes.
 

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Deathofthebambino said:
I disagree PKB, and I agree with Wibi.  Unless something is already in place for Mallett, this has to hurt his value.  It's basic leverage.   The Pats have shown their hand.  They have to move Mallett now, otherwise, they literally just wasted a second round pick.  And if you have to do something, and the other team knows you have to do it, why would they offer you the same in return as they would have when you didn't need to move him?
 
It's not basic leverage because there are about eight teams who would be interested in a QB.   The competition for Mallett (or anyone else that doesn't start/play very regularly) is almost always another team moreso than his own team keeping him.   Is there an impact? Sure.  Does it have material impact?  Nope.  A lot of writers will say it does---not many GMs will.   What your describing is true if there's only two options, but it just isn't when there's a larger number (such as here)
 

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It makes sense, Mallett has one year left on his deal, this gets you set at backup QB longer term, and hopefully you can develop him. It also isn't a reach value-wise, so I  don't have any real problem with it. There was no-one left on the board who even sniffs a starting role, so I'd say future QB was as big a need as rotational OL or DL.
 

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Deathofthebambino said:
I disagree PKB, and I agree with Wibi.  Unless something is already in place for Mallett, this has to hurt his value.  It's basic leverage.   The Pats have shown their hand.  They have to move Mallett now, otherwise, they literally just wasted a second round pick.  And if you have to do something, and the other team knows you have to do it, why would they offer you the same in return as they would have when you didn't need to move him?
 
One factor to consider is that everyone knew the Pats had to move Mallett anyway because he's in the last year of his contract and he wants a chance to start somewhere and a contract that reflects that. He wasn't going to re-sign. So everyone already knew they were going to deal him for anything reasonable. Picking the back-up and plan for the longer term future doesn't change things all that much.
 

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Even if Brady only had 2 years left, that's still 2 more drafts to find his backup.  They would have to believe that JG is better than any other QB coming out over the next 2 years that they could have realistically had a chance to get.
 
Unless Mallet is on his way out and they already have a plan.  God, I hope so.  Otherwise, this makes about as much sense as taking Mallett in the third round back in 2011, which is about zero.
 

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Pretty funny to compare the reaction in the past few minutes to this reaction a few years back.
 
 
Fuck that and fuck this. 
LOL this is amazing. 

I can only laugh. 
Mallet's gone for a 1st rounder within 2 years. 
Mallet proves himself and Brady goes to San Fran for 2013 1st and 2nd and 2014 1st and 3rd. 
 

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Cellar-Door said:
It makes sense, Mallett has one year left on his deal, this gets you set at backup QB longer term, and hopefully you can develop him. It also isn't a reach value-wise, so I  don't have any real problem with it. There was no-one left on the board who even sniffs a starting role, so I'd say future QB was as big a need as rotational OL or DL.
No it doesn't. The kid's rookie deal is over in 3 years, and TB will be our QB for that period
 

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Deathofthebambino said:
Even if Brady only had 2 years left, that's still 2 more drafts to find his backup.  They would have to believe that JG is better than any other QB coming out over the next 2 years that they could have realistically had a chance to get.
 
Unless Mallet is on his way out and they already have a plan.  God, I hope so.  Otherwise, this makes about as much sense as taking Mallett in the third round back in 2011, which is about zero.
 
Well, they might think JG plus one or two years in the system is a better option than a QB in either '15 or '16.
 
Fuck, I'm already starting to turn....
 

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Half you people defending the pick would have ripped it prior to BB actually doing it.
 

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ragnarok725 said:
 
One factor to consider is that everyone knew the Pats had to move Mallett anyway because he's in the last year of his contract and he wants a chance to start somewhere and a contract that reflects that. He wasn't going to re-sign. So everyone already knew they were going to deal him for anything reasonable. Picking the back-up and plan for the longer term future doesn't change things all that much.
 
Yup.  Conventional wisdom isn't always right---Pats fans on a Red Sox board, of all people, should see so!
 
I also dislike the pick; I wanted someone who'd play sooner.  
 

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PedroKsBambino said:
 
It's not basic leverage because there are about eight teams who would be interested in a QB.   The competition for Mallett (or anyone else that doesn't start/play very regularly) is almost always another team moreso than his own team keeping him.   Is there an impact? Sure.  Does it have material impact?  Nope.  A lot of writers will say it does---not many GMs will.   What your describing is true if there's only two options, but it just isn't when there's a larger number (such as here)
 
But why would a team trade for him knowing full well that come training camp NE is going to have to make a decision come training camp on who they keep? 
 

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twibnotes said:
Half you people defending the pick would have ripped it prior to BB actually doing it.
 
Yup.  Then again, BB is like infinity times more knowledgeable than us when it comes to football stuff.
 

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Deathofthebambino said:
Even if Brady only had 2 years left, that's still 2 more drafts to find his backup.  They would have to believe that JG is better than any other QB coming out over the next 2 years that they could have realistically had a chance to get.
 
Unless Mallet is on his way out and they already have a plan.  God, I hope so.  Otherwise, this makes about as much sense as taking Mallett in the third round back in 2011, which is about zero.
Here's the thing. While fans may assume that Brady is going to be healthy for 16 games every season, it's BB's job to not make that assumption. Everyone says, "Oh, if Brady is done, so are the Pats!" Well, if he tears his ACL again, probably. What if he sprains an MCL and missed 6 weeks, say weeks 5-11?
 

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For those of you that don't think it devalues Mallett.  What will you think of this pick if the Pats don't trade Mallett?
 

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They have 90 roster spots, many teams carry 3QBs, he has value as a backup this year, and he was leaving after the year anyways. Why do they have to move Mallett and why would it be a wasted pick otherwise? They expect like nothing out of this pick this year.
 

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twibnotes said:
There better be a Mallett deal coming - otherwise just dumb
 
Oh crap. You think the Pats forgot they had Mallett?
 
Relax fellas.
 

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Deathofthebambino said:
For those of you that don't think it devalues Mallett.  What will you think of this pick if the Pats don't trade Mallett?
I will think that Mallett is gone next year anyway?
 

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I usually drink the kool-aid as far as the draft goes but this sucks so far. An undersized DT with no knees and a fucking backup QB. What in the actual fuck.
 

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Garoppolo is camp fodder. Another body at QB so it doesn't look like such a pressing need come draft day 2015.
 

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Dollar said:
 
Yup.  Then again, BB is like infinity times more knowledgeable than us when it comes to football stuff.
Of course he is, but (a) he's not perfect and (b) what's the point of a place like sosh if we are all going to just say "great pick!!" regardless of what BB does. It's comical how some of the posters in here will defend BB no matter what he does, and I guarantee you BB would admit he's made plenty of mistakes over the years. Hopefully his latest pick isn't one of them, but I think it is.
 

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Eck'sSneakyCheese said:
I usually drink the kool-aid as far as the draft goes but this sucks so far. An undersized DT with no knees and a fucking backup QB. What in the actual fuck.
 
I propose a new name for this sub-forum.
 

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Deathofthebambino said:
Even if Brady only had 2 years left, that's still 2 more drafts to find his backup.  They would have to believe that JG is better than any other QB coming out over the next 2 years that they could have realistically had a chance to get.
 
Unless Mallet is on his way out and they already have a plan.  God, I hope so.  Otherwise, this makes about as much sense as taking Mallett in the third round back in 2011, which is about zero.
C'mon do you really think Belichick dove into this blindly without a plan in place for Mallett? The timing is ideal for a QB to grow under Brady for a few years while Mallett still can be moved to get his pick back that we used on him while he's served as insurance.
 

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Deathofthebambino said:
For those of you that don't think it devalues Mallett.  What will you think of this pick if the Pats don't trade Mallett?
If JG is ever a top 15 QB for New England it's a great pick. If he can't play it's not.