2014 Draft Game Day 2

[Stitch01]

Yeah, I'm not thrilled about the pick but what they do with Mallett probably doesn't make much of a difference to me.

Not sure Mallett was a bad pick. Luckily we never had to play him and find out, but I'm glad we didn't tie up 3mm of cap space on Kyle Orton or whoever either.

 

[Deathofthebambino]

I think what makes me hate the pick even more is the depth of this draft.  There is talent literally everywhere right now.  Pick after pick after pick, and we've taken one guy that only sees the field next year if our HOF QB gets hurt and another guy that has health questions.  I'm as big a fan as BB as anyone on this board and season ticket holder for 20 years, but I don't like these first two picks.  They are a super bowl contender with very few holes to fill, and they aren't filling them and it's just aggravating. 

 

[PedroKsBambino]

 
But why would a team trade for him knowing full well that come training camp NE is going to have to make a decision come training camp on who they keep? 

 
Teams trade to fill their own needs, not because of what the Pats do.  And the teams for whom Mallett is a useful option is in the same place (with the same needs) regardless of who the Pats picked.  If there's multiple teams who want a QB (which is the case) they are each competing with each other on the price for Mallett (which I believe has been small all offseason, or else he'd have been dealt already, btw).   Those teams aren't really competing with the Pats keeping him nearly as much as with other teams who want him.
 
Once you get to end of camp Mallett has no trade value whether he's the backup or the number three, considering he has one year left on his deal and would have to learn a new playbook elsewhere.   So what have they lost here, exactly?

 

[RedOctober3829]

Really?
 
I'm filing this with you're "they will never get Revis" post.

I simply think they could have filled other present needs with this pick and addressed QB later. Nix at 62 would've been better value and filled a need.

 

[HomeRunBaker]

I usually drink the kool-aid as far as the draft goes but this sucks so far. An undersized DT with no knees and a fucking backup QB. What in the actual fuck.

You're really missing the point if you feel JG was drafted to be a long-term backup QB.

 

[PedroKsBambino]

For those of you that don't think it devalues Mallett.  What will you think of this pick if the Pats don't trade Mallett?

 
Same thing as I do now: I won't like it.  But people are overvaluing Mallett, and misunderstanding why a team would trade for him.

 

[Mystic Merlin]

Of course he is, but (a) he's not perfect and (b) what's the point of a place like sosh if we are all going to just say "great pick!!" regardless of what BB does. It's comical how some of the posters in here will defend BB no matter what he does, and I guarantee you BB would admit he's made plenty of mistakes over the years. Hopefully his latest pick isn't one of them, but I think it is.

 
Mother of fuck this is tired.

 

[Reverend]

 

My favorite part of the draft every year is when Belichick trolls everyone.

 

 

[twibnotes]

If JG is ever a top 15 QB for New England it's a great pick. If he can't play it's not.

Even if he is, what if they missed out on a piece who could have helped them get another ring.

I know the Pats do a tremendous job of planning for the future, but they have a once in a generation QB talent now and the window is closing.

 

[mascho]

A 3rd rounder for Mallett wasn't very likely, but I'd be perfectly fine with HOU's 4th for him. 

 
Considering they still need a QB....

 

[SpacemanzGerbil]

What? Ozzie Smith wasn't pissed off when the Patriots stole Janeane Garofalo from under their noses?

 

[Time to Mo Vaughn]

How would Garoppolo have any value if he's the 3rd string QB?

As next year's 2nd string QB and only other QB on the roster?

 

[Cellar-Door]

No it doesn't. The kid's rookie deal is over in 3 years, and TB will be our QB for that period

Rookie deals are 4 years, also the idea of counting on a QB to stay healthy and effective for every game from age 37-40 is a bad way to manage a football team.
 
Edit to add- Also the idea of just get a QB later, or next year is dumb. QB is the most important position to get right and has a huge impact on the franchise. If you think you can get an eventual top 10-15 starter you do it unless you have a young elite QB already. Tom ain't young.

 

[DJnVa]

100% the truth, they basically devalued Mallett from 2nd string to 3rd string.

 
No they didn't. This isn't a vacuum. Teams knew that Mallett wouldn't be available unless the Pats had a replacement. This is baked into the value already. 

 

[Stitch01]

How would Garoppolo have any value if he's the 3rd string QB?

Because he's not signing a one year contract and Mallett isn't going to sign up for another four year apprenticeship

 

[Dan to Theo to Ben]

Landry's a sub-6' WR who ran a 4.7+ 40. Pass.

Wes Welker is 5-9 4.65

 

[Luis Taint]

Where's Brent Musberger?

 

[twibnotes]

 
Mother of fuck this is tired.

Keep saying BB is always right - fucking sheep following your shepherd

 

[mascho]

Even if he is, what if they missed out on a piece who could have helped them get another ring.

I know the Pats do a tremendous job of planning for the future, but they have a once in a generation QB talent now and the window is closing.

 
And Mettenberger/McCarron/Murray were also on the board, one of whom will likely be available in a spot in the third round where the Patriots could have grabbed them.  I think all three are better QB options than JG.  They could have taken Nix and then got the Heir Apparent in the third, and a better QB to boot.  

 

[Steve Dillard]

Plainly the qb is the most valuable player on any team. If you don't get a top 5 pick you have to invest a lot to get a good one -- cornell, mallett etc.  Might as well keep buying tickets now rather than waiting for him to retire and starting then. 
 
And having lived through Travon Wilson and the ilk in the second round, I've had low expectation on the second round.
 
Plus, we had to react to Denver drafting a qb in the second round last year. 

 

[Eck'sSneakyCheese]

You're really missing the point if you feel JG was drafted to be a long-term backup QB.

So are you if you think he's the heir apparent.

 

[bankshot1]

There's a whole summer to trade Mallett to some team that decides their QBs suck. They'll get a 3-4-5 in '15 depending on the urgency..

 

[RoDaddy]

I wouldn't be surprised to see Mallett stay with Garappolo to the practice squad. This team has a real shot at a championship and if anything happens to Brady, Mallett as backup would at least give them an outside shot

 

[Phragle]

Landry's a sub-6' WR who ran a 4.7+ 40. Pass.

 
Someone Hightower can cover?
 

 
Garoppolo is camp fodder. Another body at QB so it doesn't look like such a pressing need come draft day 2015.
 

 
Nice.
 

If JG is ever a top 15 QB for New England it's a great pick. If he can't play it's not.

 
Great pick New England! Garappolo just became a top 15 QB for the Raiders in 2023!

 

[Stitch01]

I think what makes me hate the pick even more is the depth of this draft.  There is talent literally everywhere right now.  Pick after pick after pick, and we've taken one guy that only sees the field next year if our HOF QB gets hurt and another guy that has health questions.  I'm as big a fan as BB as anyone on this board and season ticket holder for 20 years, but I don't like these first two picks.  They are a super bowl contender with very few holes to fill, and they aren't filling them and it's just aggravating.

I pretty much agree with you unless they were really, really in love with the quarterback. They just think long term vs short term more than we are going to want them to as fans and they weight the Brady window lower than we want them to as fans. Just is what it is.

 

[DJnVa]

Half you people defending the pick would have ripped it prior to BB actually doing it.

 
Tell us again what we would do.
 
 

Rap reported the Pats would have taken Bortles in the first round if he was on the board.
 

 

[pappymojo]

Couldnt you also argue that taking a QB increases Malletts value since one more alternative is unavailable to QB hungry teams?

Also who is Houstons starting QB right now?

 

[Reverend]

 
Garoppolo is camp fodder. Another body at QB so it doesn't look like such a pressing need come draft day 2015.
 

 
Awesome.

 

[soxfan121]

I know the Pats do a tremendous job of planning for the future, but they have a once in a generation QB talent now and the window is closing.

 
Bledsoe today, Bledsoe tomorrow, Bledsoe forever!

 

[amarshal2]

RT @NFL_RealUpdates: The #Patriots would've drafted QB Blake Bortles in the first round had he fall to them there, per @RapSheet

 

[finnVT]

so houston picked cj fed for the pats, but needed time to work out an extension with mallett, right?  Right??

 

[( . ) ( . ) and (_!_)]

Keep saying BB is always right - fucking sheep following your shepherd

You need to stop drinking and take a break. We get it.

 

[Mystic Merlin]

Keep saying BB is always right - fucking sheep following your shepherd

 
You know the stuff you pour into the washing machine?
 
You're not supposed to drink it.
 
Anyways, now that someone has advised us that BB makes mistakes, I would add that I would have preferred a QB later.  This guy better be a hit.

 

[Dan to Theo to Ben]

 
No they didn't. This isn't a vacuum. Teams knew that Mallett wouldn't be available unless the Pats had a replacement. This is baked into the value already. 

If there's no replacement, then he is more valuable. This is Economics 101.

 

[ragnarok725]

BB is just the absolute best at trolling the draft insiders. He just never, ever makes the expected pick. It's uncanny how wrong everyone is every single year.

 

[( . ) ( . ) and (_!_)]

Damn. I liked Sims a lot

 

[Stitch01]

I wouldn't be surprised to see Mallett stay with Garappolo to the practice squad. This team has a real shot at a championship and if anything happens to Brady, Mallett as backup would at least give them an outside shot

Not a chance he makes it to the practice squad unless he's a Tyler Wilson type disaster

 

[DJnVa]

 
Garoppolo is camp fodder. Another body at QB so it doesn't look like such a pressing need come draft day 2015.
 

 
HAHAHA.
 
He did not draft a QB in round 2 to be camp fodder.

 

[mascho]

RT @NFL_RealUpdates: The #Patriots would've drafted QB Blake Bortles in the first round had he fall to them there, per @RapSheet

 
Jesus.
 
Is Brady gonna retire at the end of the season to focus on developing a line of panama hats or something?  

 

[SMU_Sox]

 
And Mettenberger/McCarron/Murray were also on the board, one of whom will likely be available in a spot in the third round where the Patriots could have grabbed them.  I think all three are better QB options than JG.  They could have taken Nix and then got the Heir Apparent in the third, and a better QB to boot.  

ZM. 100% how I feel. Hate JG. JG... jag. See how not creative I am.

 

[wibi]

Because he's not signing a one year contract and Mallett isn't going to sign up for another four year apprenticeship

 
Mallett really doesnt have much of a say in this unless a team comes in and offers him a starting job.  His option is take the best contract he gets offered or not play in the NFL.  Its not like he is going to turn down offers just because they are apprenticeship positions again unless he gets a better offer.
 
I was operating under the assumption with my statement that people thought Mallett was a 2nd or 3rd round pick in trade value.

 

[DJnVa]

Of course he is, but (a) he's not perfect and (b) what's the point of a place like sosh if we are all going to just say "great pick!!" regardless of what BB does. It's comical how some of the posters in here will defend BB no matter what he does, and I guarantee you BB would admit he's made plenty of mistakes over the years. Hopefully his latest pick isn't one of them, but I think it is.

 
Also comical---posters thinking that by ripping picks they are a true fan.
 
Saying you don't like the pick is fine--arguments like "Wait!!! What about Mallett??" like the Pats don't have a plan is not smart.

 

[twibnotes]

 
You know the stuff you pour into the washing machine?
 
You're not supposed to drink it.
 
Anyways, now that someone has advised us that BB makes mistakes, I would add that I would have preferred a QB later.  This guy better be a hit.

I only drank a little of it

 

[DJnVa]

I simply think they could have filled other present needs with this pick and addressed QB later. Nix at 62 would've been better value and filled a need.

 
I know. I understand that.
 
But make the argument that BB doesn't know his teams needs 1000 times better than anyone here.

 

[PedroKsBambino]

 
Mallett really doesnt have much of a say in this unless a team comes in and offers him a starting job.  His option is take the best contract he gets offered or not play in the NFL.  Its not like he is going to turn down offers just because they are apprenticeship positions again unless he gets a better offer.
 
I was operating under the assumption with my statement that people thought Mallett was a 2nd or 3rd round pick in trade value.

 
Agree on Mallett's choices.  And I think his value is a lot lower than that, which tonight seems to suggest....I guess him for a 2015 3 is still possible, but unlikely in my mind

 

[Eck'sSneakyCheese]

Garoppolo is camp fodder. Another body at QB so it doesn't look like such a pressing need come draft day 2015.

Tip of the cap to you sir

 

[Cellar-Door]

Cool. Now why can't you get that guy in Round 4?

Because he's a projected 2nd rounder.

Also because QBs aren't actually interchangeable. The Patriots thought he was better than anyone likely to be available later (most experts seem to have thought so too.)  This is like saying why did we take Collins in the 2nd last year when there were LBs available in the 4th.

 

[ElcaballitoMVP]

Now watch Bill draft Brandon Thomas and someone like Christian Kirksey in the 4th round so everyone can say we drafted a DT with no knees in the 1st, a QB who will never play in the 2nd, and an OL that is out for the year with a bum knee and a LB that will never play in the 4th. Perfect BB troll job. 

 

[Stitch01]

Mallett really doesnt have much of a say in this unless a team comes in and offers him a starting job.  His option is take the best contract he gets offered or not play in the NFL.  Its not like he is going to turn down offers just because they are apprenticeship positions again unless he gets a better offer.
 
I was operating under the assumption with my statement that people thought Mallett was a 2nd or 3rd round pick in trade value.

There are like 28 other teams where he has a better chance of starting or keeping a job if the starter gets hurt and he plays well plus vet QBs cost cap space, even backups.

Now that doesn't add up to second round value by itself or anything, but QB was a need this draft.

 

[twibnotes]

 
Also comical---posters thinking that by ripping picks they are a true fan.
 
Saying you don't like the pick is fine--arguments like "Wait!!! What about Mallett??" like the Pats don't have a plan is not smart.

Who said anything about being more of a true fan?

I don't like the pick either way, but it's clearly easier to justify if they have something lined up wrt Mallett.