I hear he's also got some good bits about airplane food and VCR clocksStitch01 said:BB been firing shots at meterologists for years apparantly.
I hear he's also got some good bits about airplane food and VCR clocksStitch01 said:BB been firing shots at meterologists for years apparantly.
BB only owns him in the sense he owns basically every other coach, namely when the two teams play BB usually wins. The Jets won a home game where the Pats played their D- games, good for the Jets I guess, congrats.reggiecleveland said:People like to throw the 45-3 game around in here, well that season ended with Rex beating the Pats in their own Stadium. Who else in the division has done that? Personally, I think whatever is going on constructing the Jets, especially at QB is terrible, and Rex's magic has worn off. You can divide it anyway you want, but if the Jets were so shitty and Rex is so terrible and BB so totally owns him it should not take two blocked kicks to beat the shitty Jets. Rex did a very good job with a gameplan and a getting his guys ready to play the Pats this year.
Yes this is exactly what it is. Plausible deniability so when the next GM/HC pairing fail he can blame Charley and not himself.Ed Hillel said:So basically Woody is looking to hire someone to make his decisions for him so that he can try to take as little blame as possible when they fail?
And the guy he gets hasn't been an executive in 8 years. Jets!Ed Hillel said:So basically Woody is looking to hire someone to make his decisions for him so that he can try to take as little blame as possible when they fail?
This is nothing new. Guess what happened when Idzik was hired. Yup -- a paid consulting group worked with Woody for weeks in getting their shiny new GM.Ed Hillel said:So basically Woody is looking to hire someone to make his decisions for him so that he can try to take as little blame as possible when they fail?
or that they couldn't pick their own HC.Stitch01 said:IIRC Idzik got hired because the better candidates wanted no part of the Jets cap mess.
Ralphwiggum said:By the way, for as much as Rex gets credit for getting his guys to play against the Pats, there have been a number of horrendously awful losses in key spots during his tenure in NY.
In 2009 the Jets finished 9-7 and in the playoffs but only one game behind the 10-6 Pats for the division title. During that season they lost to the 7-9 Dolphins twice, the 6-10 Bills and the 5-11 Jags. Win one of those games and they might have hosted a playoff game for the first time in almost a decade.
In 2011 they were 8-5 and in prime position to make the playoffs for a third straight year before losing their last three to the 8-8 Eagles, the 9-7 Giants and the 6-10 Dolphins.
In 2012 they were 6-7 and still theoretically in contention for a playoff spot before they lost their last three to the 6-10 Titans, the 7-9 Chargers and the 6-10 Bills.
In 2013 they were 5-4 and finished 3-4 to miss the playoff again, with losses against 8-8 Dolphins, 7-9 Titans and 6-10 Bills down the stretch with a playoff spot on the line.
Ed Hillel said:So basically Woody is looking to hire someone to make his decisions for him so that he can try to take as little blame as possible when they fail?
If anything this is a solid move. Unless Woody believes he has the expertise to determine the next great NFL coach or talent evaluator.MentalDisabldLst said:
Are you familiar with the profession of management consulting?
Idzik was hired upon the recommendation of the exec recruiters, Korn/FerryMentalDisabldLst said:
Are you familiar with the profession of management consulting?
So that’s an example of the front office not getting what the coach needs,” Casserly continued. “From the outside-in, that’s the obvious one we look at there. It’s a legitimate question because clearly there’s not enough talent around that football team to compete. I thought Rex should have been the coach of the year at 8-8 last year.”
Exactly, incredibly puzzling that so many, even here, buy into his lousy record nit being reflective of Rex. Pure Teflon.luckiestman said:
He is a truly awful HC. I'm puzzled that he has pulled the wool over even some pats fans eyes who seem to buy into his act. I gave up on looking at Jets forums a few years ago because I could not believe how much love the dude got. He is like Stalin. If something goes right it is all on him, when things go bad it is everyone else's fault or even worse acts like the bad thing didn't happen. This motherfucker is famous for going into a presser after a loss and talking about how few yards the defense gave up. It is absolutely mind blowing. Hey Rex, how about the fact that the other team scored more points? Do you want to address that?
People who are at fault:
Schotty
Tanny,
Sanchez
Sparano
Idzik
Never Rex's fault. Never.
tims4wins said:I like to go back and read this article from time to time
http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/columns/story?columnist=howard_johnette&id=5078659
The Jets now have taken on three stars -- wideout Braylon Edwards, cornerback Antonio Cromartie and Holmes -- despite the personal baggage that followed all three into town.
All of which New England answered over the winter with, well, what? A few updates on slot receiver Wes Welker's rehab on his ACL. Word that Randy Moss played a lot of this past season with a separated shoulder and that he doesn't expect to be re-signed after this season. A lot of reminders that Belichick has some extra second-round picks to play with in the draffffffffffft.
Hendu for Kutch said:With the 10th pick of the 2nd round of the 2010 NFL Draft, the New England Patriots select Rob Gronkowski, TE, Arizona.
Oops.
BigSoxFan said:Yeah, but he fired arguably the 2nd best coach in the league now. What was he thinking?!
There is no Rev said:
Kraft is also reported to play a very different ownership role than he did back then.
He learns. That's why he's on the short list for best sports team owner in not only the league, but in American sports.
BigSoxFan said:Yeah, my post was tongue-in-cheek.
Starting quarterback Geno Smith acknowledged Monday, per ESPN New York's Rich Cimini, that moving on from coach Rex Ryan would be "a tough thing to do, but we are professionals and we have to do it. A change could be good for us all."
ivanvamp said:Let's say you're running the Jets and you have, say, the 2nd pick in the draft. Either Winston or Mariota will be available - a potential franchise quarterback. What do you need if you're the Jets? You've got a terrific defense, a really good running game, but could use a much better QB and a game-breaking WR. Would you simply draft Winston or Mariota? Or would you consider making this deal:
Trade Geno Smith and the #2 pick in the draft to KC for Alex Smith and KC's 1st round pick (say, #17), and 3rd round pick?
I think there's some value in the Jets trading back if they're not huge Mariota or Winston fans. I don't think going for Smith would make sense, though. He's a pretty limited player, and the Jets have a lot of holes. OL is getting old and starting to be a problem. I actually think their skill players are OK if they bring back Harvin - Decker's solid, Harvin can be dynamic, Amaro's shown some flashes, and Kerley's fine as a slot guy. But the defense has issues, too. Corner and safety are still problems despite firsts each of the past couple years. David Harris and Calvin Pace aren't getting any younger. I don't think this team is an Alex Smith away from competing for a playoff spot - and even if it is, why trade assets for a guy like that versus just signing a Kyle Orton off the street like Buffalo did?ivanvamp said:Let's say you're running the Jets and you have, say, the 2nd pick in the draft. Either Winston or Mariota will be available - a potential franchise quarterback. What do you need if you're the Jets? You've got a terrific defense, a really good running game, but could use a much better QB and a game-breaking WR. Would you simply draft Winston or Mariota? Or would you consider making this deal:
Trade Geno Smith and the #2 pick in the draft to KC for Alex Smith and KC's 1st round pick (say, #17), and 3rd round pick?
If you're the Jets, they could have won quite a few games this year with even *competent* QB play. Alex Smith is a competent NFL QB. Not great. But not too bad. 16th in the NFL in yards, 14th in QB rating. Pretty decent. Certainly a HECK of a lot better than Geno Smith. And with the 17th pick, they take one of the following WR: Dorial Green-Beckham (Oklahoma), Kevin White (WVU), or Jaelen Strong (Arizona St.), giving them a terrific outside weapon. And then the 3rd round pick could also be used to address skill position talent. One reason you do this is because Winston and Mariota both represent risks. And they've been through so many of these high draft pick QBs recently that it may be time to go with the "pretty solid QB, lots of talent elsewhere" approach.
For KC, the reason they do this is because you don't often get a shot at a potential franchise QB like Winston or Mariota. While Alex Smith is better than average (by a little), he's also not a star. They have lots of talent on that team and a QB like Winston or Mariota could be the guy to take them to the next level. It's a risk for sure. But this is the kind of risk you may want to take. And you get Geno Smith thrown in, and he provides a backup QB who still may end up being pretty decent as well.
I have no idea what the draft value chart thingy would say about this. But I think it's the kind of deal that could really benefit both teams big-time.
Well, yeah, you could look at two games to try to figure out if Rex and the Jets are shitty.reggiecleveland said:People like to throw the 45-3 game around in here, well that season ended with Rex beating the Pats in their own Stadium. Who else in the division has done that? Personally, I think whatever is going on constructing the Jets, especially at QB is terrible, and Rex's magic has worn off. You can divide it anyway you want, but if the Jets were so shitty and Rex is so terrible and BB so totally owns him it should not take two blocked kicks to beat the shitty Jets. Rex did a very good job with a gameplan and a getting his guys ready to play the Pats this year.
Jettisoned said:
I think everyone would laugh, and you'd play along as if you were really joking but everyone is pretty sure you weren't.
Super Nomario said:I think there's some value in the Jets trading back if they're not huge Mariota or Winston fans. I don't think going for Smith would make sense, though. He's a pretty limited player, and the Jets have a lot of holes. OL is getting old and starting to be a problem. I actually think their skill players are OK if they bring back Harvin - Decker's solid, Harvin can be dynamic, Amaro's shown some flashes, and Kerley's fine as a slot guy. But the defense has issues, too. Corner and safety are still problems despite firsts each of the past couple years. David Harris and Calvin Pace aren't getting any younger. I don't think this team is an Alex Smith away from competing for a playoff spot - and even if it is, why trade assets for a guy like that versus just signing a Kyle Orton off the street like Buffalo did?
He should know better but that's the Jets way. The more sound bites the better. They talk about the past, present and future. They are not an organization that preaches one game at a time focus.Jnai said:
If you're Geno Smith, how on earth do you manage to produce that soundbite? If anyone asks you about the team, just say that you're going to play hard next week and that you want to get better.
steveluck7 said:I don't disagree that the Jets might be served by shopping their pick (if it's in range for one of Mariotta, etc.) but I guess I don't see how a mediocre / decent team like KC would create a hole where one doesn't necessarily exist by trading a serviceable QB, try to fill that very hole by taking a risk on a high profile rookie QB, and giving up multiple picks to do so.
ivanvamp said:
No, I'm not joking. The question is which team says no to this deal?
DrewDawg said:
The Chiefs.
They think they are a playoff team right now with Alex Smith--they won 11 games last year and can still get in this year. Why would they decide to throw the QB position to a rookie?
Jnai said:Why would Geno Smith be of any value to the Saints in that situation?
Geno Smith is the NFL version of "below replacement level". It might be worth trading for a QB, but I don't see what value Geno Smith adds in that deal.
Bellhorn said:And why is 36-year-old Drew Brees of any value to the Jets? Even with good QB play, they are not likely to be serious SB contenders over the next 2-3 years.
Kenny F'ing Powers said:
Well, like I said, "If they even want him".
They probably wouldn't, but getting the #2 pick in the draft and a potential franchise QB is something that would be enticing for a team whose window is probably closed.
Jnai said:
Is this Geno Smith, or the guy they're picking at #2?
If they're trading Brees for the #2 PIck, then Geno Smith's inclusion in the deal is completely meaningless.
Stitch01 said:I think both teams say no to that deal.
The fact that you and Super Nomario disagree about this trade means it's at least plausible. You are saying that Alex Smith is valuable enough that the Jets would need to offer more to get him. SN said that Alex Smith isn't worth those picks, because the Jets could just sign someone like Orton. I tend to agree with you that the Chiefs say no, but its debatable, and that proposal is not laughable.DrewDawg said:
The Chiefs.
They think they are a playoff team right now with Alex Smith--they won 11 games last year and can still get in this year. Why would they decide to throw the QB position to a rookie?
To be clear: I don't think either side does this, and I don't really think it makes sense for either side.crystalline said:The fact that you and Super Nomario disagree about this trade means it's at least plausible. You are saying that Alex Smith is valuable enough that the Jets would need to offer more to get him. SN said that Alex Smith isn't worth those picks, because the Jets could just sign someone like Orton. I tend to agree with you that the Chiefs say no, but its debatable, and that proposal is not laughable.