2014 Miami Dolphins: Raw Doggin' It
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If Tannehill cannot thrive in this offense then he cannot be a good NFL QB. and so far after two games I'd say he cannot thrive. He has cost them at least 30 points with inaccurate passes so far after two games
This offense demands accuracy. A lot of these slants and crossing routes are designed for YAC. When Tannehill isn't leading them or hitting them accurately, it defeats the purpose. He gets it in the general area of the receiver, but he's missing the accuracy required for him to take that next step.Clears Cleaver said:
30 points?Clears Cleaver said:
30 points???
Just to be clear, if they had 30 more points, they'd have 73. That's 15 more points than the Saints, the highest scoring team in the league.
That's a dumb statement.
Not that he needs me to defend him, but I assumed CC didn't mean that literally. Tannehill has been frustrating to the point that, if I'm not mistaken, there's been a few times where he had more than one miss on the same drive that could have or should have resulted in scores. I'd have to go back and look at the games to confirm, but I'd say there have been at least 3 drives that should have ended in a touchdown if not for one or more errant Tannehill tosses. So I think you could say he's left at least 18 points out there, but quite possibly 4 or 5 throws altogether that could have ended up as TDs. Hence the 30-point reference.CaptainLaddie said:
He said, "at least 30 points". Even if you don't mean it literally (and cut it in half), he's basically saying the Dolphins have the best offense in the NFL so far, which clearly (based on the offensive personnel the Dolphins have) simply isn't true.
If we want to cut him a little slack, if we are giving the Dolphins those "30 points left on the field" then we should also be comparing them not other teams actual point totals but other teams totals if we account for "points left on the field". I mean the Chiefs were inside the 5 twice today and did not get any points. That is 14 point right there.CaptainLaddie said:
Every fan base can point to points left on the field, so while it is true that Tannenhill has left points on the field, so has everyone else.
Ain't that the truth.CaptainLaddie said:
Anyway, every team in the league could claim a certain number of "if only" missed opportunities which I think kind of balances a claim like that out. Nonetheless, I don't think any of us are under any illusion that this Miami offense could be considered anywhere near elite, even if Tannehill had been more accurate.
I disagree. Last week his receivers dropped more passes which had a big impact on his completion percentage. Today he was off all game long. And a lot of it wasn't related to pressure, which is what makes it so troubling.DrewDawg said:
Edit: Silverdude beat me to the punch.
Did anyone see the Moreno injury? All I saw was a little blurb on ESPN that referred to it as "gruesome," but reading here, it seems you guys have some hope he's back soon.
He actually had his arm stretched out and right aaa he was landing, a linebacker came in a hit him right in the elbow. Definitely hyperextended it, and lucky he didn't end up with a dislocation that would require surgery.Stitch01 said:
As bad as it was today, Miami still has a very real shot at going 3-1 into the bye week despite their mountain of early injuries and suspensions. I would certainly have signed up for that in the preseason.
I think EJ Manuel is going to turn out to be a solid QB. Injuries might derail him, but he had some great moments last year. I see his upside as Kaepernick with better decision making and accuracy. (As a Pats fan I have been impressed with Tannehill and scared he becomes a star too so make of that what you will.)rymflaherty said:
Daniel Thomas resigned. Interesting how long a look Damian Williams got in the second half. They must be down on miller.
This team needs to beat KC. GB is a toss up. 3-1 would be fine. 2-2 and it's a tough road to make playoffs
This team needs to beat KC. GB is a toss up. 3-1 would be fine. 2-2 and it's a tough road to make playoffs
Never as good as you look on your best day, never as bad as you look on your worst. So where is the middle ground?
Silverdude2167 said:
Right now Miami is in a tough battle for the 2nd place in the division. Eventually the injuries will determine who'll come out on "top" out of Bills & Jets, but so far they are a 9-7 team.
Yay, Daniel Thomas is back.Clears Cleaver said:
KC appears to be even more banged up than we are, so yeah, they need to pounce on that. And don't forget about Oakland in London before the bye, which they should be able to win. They should have Jones and Jordan back by then, and hopefully Pouncey by the GB game.
This team will have to lean hard on its defense for the next couple months. And then hope Moreno comes back even close to the form he showed v. the Pats while crossing its fingers that Tannehill gets his shit together.
Pats had to play in brutal heat and dolphins dominated them. Dolphins had to go to buffalo on day they honored Wilson, Jim Kelly and new owner who promised to keep them. Plus, bills strengths are Miami weaknesses. Still, you hope that Tannehill wouldn't suck. And he sucked.
Division is wide open.
Division is wide open.
CaptainLaddie said:
Be a dear and let them have September. They are a week away from the biggest win the franchise has had in a decade.
You guys are the most bi-polar fans in the world. In the first quarter of the Minnesota game, someone called DMC's int "season saving."Shelterdog said:
Now that NE knocks off an AP-less Minnesota with Matt Cassel fluttering the ball all over your secondary, all of your problems are fixed, and NE is back in the Super Bowl.
Enjoy your win. You're still 1-1, just like 3 other teams in the division.
Lost in a lot of the negativity surrounding Week 2, there was at least one bright spot. Jelani Jenkins has very quietly put together two very impressive games filling in for Ellerbe. He had a team leading 13 tackles against the Bills.
That's very encouraging to see from the guy drafted last year. Maybe he's starting to come into his own. When Misi is ready to come back, I would absolutely leave Jenkins out there and sit Trusnik.
Also, with Jordan coming back soon, barring yet another injury, I still see him converting to a Sam linebacker, and essentially replacing Wheeler.
This team's two biggest issues right now are health and Ryan Tannehill's inaccuracy. One is fixable with time, as Miami should start getting back a bunch of starters in the next few weeks. One, maybe not so much. Not sure if it's mechanical or mental with Tannehill (seems largely mental), but it's Lazor's job to fix it.
That's very encouraging to see from the guy drafted last year. Maybe he's starting to come into his own. When Misi is ready to come back, I would absolutely leave Jenkins out there and sit Trusnik.
Also, with Jordan coming back soon, barring yet another injury, I still see him converting to a Sam linebacker, and essentially replacing Wheeler.
This team's two biggest issues right now are health and Ryan Tannehill's inaccuracy. One is fixable with time, as Miami should start getting back a bunch of starters in the next few weeks. One, maybe not so much. Not sure if it's mechanical or mental with Tannehill (seems largely mental), but it's Lazor's job to fix it.
Shelterdog said:
...and still in sole possession of last place (going by divisional records).sodenj5 said:
Anyway, the Pats are still rightfully the favorites and the team to beat. That said, maybe the division isn't "wide" open whatever that means, but it's far from a lock for New England. Hell, Buffalo is looking like a legit contender at this point.
The AFC East is still open.
Dion Jordan and reshad should return this week given the change in the new drug policy. They will be eligible immediately.
The division is wide open. Even though there is only one slightly above average QB playing in it.
The division is wide open. Even though there is only one slightly above average QB playing in it.
And how does that math work? Are you speaking of Brady's first two games or what you would project out for the entire season?Clears Cleaver said:
Explain why you think it's "wide open", please. Because Vegas certainly disagrees with you (Patriots have third best odds to win their division in the NFL), and they're pretty fucking good at this.
Wide open suggests that it's even odds for a few teams to win it -- the odds suggest something to the opposite of what you're saying. Heck, looking at the AFC title odds, the Patriots are +325 -- the next AFC East team are the Dolphins, at +3500.
A wide open division ins more like the NFC South, or even the NFC North, where 3 teams all look like they could take the divisional crown.
So, please, explain why you think it's wide open. As for the snipe at Brady, SSF said it well -- do you think he's going to end up with the projected 3184 passing yards and 16 TDs and 56.4 completion percentage? If those end up as his final numbers, he'd rank 21st, 23rd, and 35th using last years passing stats.
This is what I think: you're trolling. Of course, you're also the guy who said that the Dolphins have left at least 30 points off the board in two games, so I'm not sure you know what you're talking about.
Wide open suggests that it's even odds for a few teams to win it -- the odds suggest something to the opposite of what you're saying. Heck, looking at the AFC title odds, the Patriots are +325 -- the next AFC East team are the Dolphins, at +3500.
A wide open division ins more like the NFC South, or even the NFC North, where 3 teams all look like they could take the divisional crown.
So, please, explain why you think it's wide open. As for the snipe at Brady, SSF said it well -- do you think he's going to end up with the projected 3184 passing yards and 16 TDs and 56.4 completion percentage? If those end up as his final numbers, he'd rank 21st, 23rd, and 35th using last years passing stats.
This is what I think: you're trolling. Of course, you're also the guy who said that the Dolphins have left at least 30 points off the board in two games, so I'm not sure you know what you're talking about.
Why are you feeding CC? His work in the UConn threads prove he's nothing but a front running, reactionary troll.
Because on this site you have to show your work. If you don't, you get your shit pushed in. And CC's ripe for that.
I think runner-up in the AFCE with a 10-6 or 9-7 finish is "wide open".
I've taken a breath after Sunday and re-watched the Bills-Fins debacle 4 times. Some thoughts:
- Playing Buffalo on the road following the news of new ownership, Jimmy Kelly, etc. will end up being considered one of our top 3 most difficult games the entire year. The entire Bills' team was jacked up.
- Ryan Tannehill is playing very, very average right now, with accuracy being a major issue at the moment. But not playing well and not being good enough are two entirely different things. Considering the new offense and offensive line work-in-progress, I'm not going to consider the latter option until we're past the half-way point. Aside from the deep ball, accuracy hasn't been an issue the past two seasons -- in fact, it's been a strength -- so I'm fairly positive he'll work through his current funk.
- Improvement in all offensive groups -- OL, RB, TE, and WR -- should help also, as a lack of a consistent clean pocket and numerous dropped balls haven't helped Tanny's cause.
- I was really encouraged by the defensive performance. The Bills started 4-5 drives in Miami territory, and were held to 6 FG attempts overall. A poor angle from Trusnik ruined what was otherwise a terrific defensive effort in halting a decent Buffalo rushing attack. The Spiller ST touchdown was a real back-breaker. Really looking forward to getting Misi and Reshad back.
- Isn't this the Wallace we all expected to see last year? The dude's playing hard, getting open, making huge catches, and saying all the right things before/after games. I'm really excited by his emergence this year. The RT-MW connection has a shitload of potential.
- What's up with Gibson, Landry, Hartline, and Clay? While Clay seems hampered by injury, the other 3 have had a # opportunities in the slot, yet haven't made many plays thus far. Not a lot of separation and many dropped passes. This bears watching.
- Moreno's such a huge loss. Miller continues to run hard, but saying he has "stone hands" would be too kind. I expect Williams to see more carries and get the majority of 3rd down snaps.
- After a team's first 4 games, 2-2 is a success. 3-1 would be great, but I'll take 2-2. During the first quarter of the season, teams are still working out the kinks. It's the next 4 games (after the BYE) that will provide us with the clearest picture of this team's potential.
I've taken a breath after Sunday and re-watched the Bills-Fins debacle 4 times. Some thoughts:
- Playing Buffalo on the road following the news of new ownership, Jimmy Kelly, etc. will end up being considered one of our top 3 most difficult games the entire year. The entire Bills' team was jacked up.
- Ryan Tannehill is playing very, very average right now, with accuracy being a major issue at the moment. But not playing well and not being good enough are two entirely different things. Considering the new offense and offensive line work-in-progress, I'm not going to consider the latter option until we're past the half-way point. Aside from the deep ball, accuracy hasn't been an issue the past two seasons -- in fact, it's been a strength -- so I'm fairly positive he'll work through his current funk.
- Improvement in all offensive groups -- OL, RB, TE, and WR -- should help also, as a lack of a consistent clean pocket and numerous dropped balls haven't helped Tanny's cause.
- I was really encouraged by the defensive performance. The Bills started 4-5 drives in Miami territory, and were held to 6 FG attempts overall. A poor angle from Trusnik ruined what was otherwise a terrific defensive effort in halting a decent Buffalo rushing attack. The Spiller ST touchdown was a real back-breaker. Really looking forward to getting Misi and Reshad back.
- Isn't this the Wallace we all expected to see last year? The dude's playing hard, getting open, making huge catches, and saying all the right things before/after games. I'm really excited by his emergence this year. The RT-MW connection has a shitload of potential.
- What's up with Gibson, Landry, Hartline, and Clay? While Clay seems hampered by injury, the other 3 have had a # opportunities in the slot, yet haven't made many plays thus far. Not a lot of separation and many dropped passes. This bears watching.
- Moreno's such a huge loss. Miller continues to run hard, but saying he has "stone hands" would be too kind. I expect Williams to see more carries and get the majority of 3rd down snaps.
- After a team's first 4 games, 2-2 is a success. 3-1 would be great, but I'll take 2-2. During the first quarter of the season, teams are still working out the kinks. It's the next 4 games (after the BYE) that will provide us with the clearest picture of this team's potential.
Not so fast. Whatever. They and Pouncey will all available after the bye, one way or the other. Oakland and KC are "beatable" without them.Clears Cleaver said:
I'm starting to become convinced that Tanny's all up in his own head right now. Dude still throws well when he doesn't have time to think. 7-8/44yds on Sunday when under pressure. Granted he's just dumping it off, but combined with his well-documented strength of throwing on the run and arm strength that belies his inability to lead receivers after they create separation on deep routes, and I'm going with it's psychological. Time for Lazor to work some mental magic on the kid.pdaj said:
I'm with you, pdaj. If they can survive the first quarter of the season at 2 - 2, I'm willing to be satisfied seeing where the chips fall.
Reminder that we want to challenge assumptions on a post no matter who you are rooting for, but should refrain from attacking the poster him/herself.RIrooter09 said:
CaptainLaddie said:
I documented the 19 points he left on the field against the Pats earlier. that is net of the points they scored on those drives. It was 11 points that I saw in the Buffalo game (TD in 2Q to Gibson that turned into a TO and another pass that he missed that would have led to a makeable FG). so yes, 30 points. I didn't watch the 4Q vs buffalo. to say he's sucked so far has been an understatement. These were in the pocket
The Dolphins should have had 50 points versus the Pats. The coaches/players basically said the same thing afterward. The Bills were less obvious.
looks like Jordan and Jones are NOT coming back sooner. oh well.
RIrooter09 said:
lol...that's funny.
I only troll BC, Duke and Patriots fans. no one else is really worth it
Just because you think they left 19 points on the field doesn't mean they did.
And nice of you to acknowledge that you're a troll.
And nice of you to acknowledge that you're a troll.
Stitch01 said:
Well, OK then. Why would anyone make that bet when they can make significantly more in Vegas? Why don't you make the Pats bet in Vegas and I'll make my bet in vegas (betting all three teams) and then donate winnings to Jimmy Fund? or something like that? not that I ever really bet on sports.
The division is wide open IMO because the Pats are soft along the lines and the other three teams in the division are solid along the lines. They are just bad matchups for the Pats. Plus, Brady just isn't playing as well as he was. he and BB are the only difference between these teams. In fact, I bet most pundits would prefer the Bills or Miami's talent 2-53 over NE. BB is > MArrone, Philbin and Rex. Brady > Manuel, Tannehill and Geno (three of the five worst QBs in the league perhaps). I haven't analyzed the schedules or anything, but presumably the PAts is tougher?
Clears Cleaver said:
You are basing this off of 1 loss in the fucking extreme heat in Miami. Come back to me in November and December when the Pats are in there normal second half groove.
CaptainLaddie said:
oh boy. just because you have an opinion doesn't mean its true!
there's nothing wrong with trolling, especially if it makes you feel good. especially in a form that is filled with other team's fans. especially Duke, BC and Patriots fans.
Well since discussion boards are predicated on the exchange of honestly held views there absolutely is a problem with trolling.Clears Cleaver said:
The schedules are pretty close. The Pats have one more home game, @bills, Bengals at home and at the Colts while the Fins have the Vikings at home late, at Jacksonville and the Ravens at home. That's probably easier for Miami but not all that much easier.
Honestly? I didnt think anyone who truly thinks this division is completely wide open or thinks the Dolphins or Bills have more talent than the Pats after quarterback would be the kind of person who thought about odds or anything in a logical manner.Clears Cleaver said:
Clears Cleaver said:
Hahah, what are you even talking about? Here:
1) Zero tolerance policy for flame wars, baiting, and malicious personal attacks on all forums.
So yeah, you'd be wrong.
Good work.
Also: pay up at some point. I think you've been on this site longer than I have and I've never seen you contribute any kind of financial assistance.
CaptainLaddie said:
You want wide open? Look at the AFC South. Or NFC North. Or even the NFC West.
Thanks for putting these up CL. As pdaj mentioned earlier, the competition is still "wide open" for the 2nd place in the division, not the 1st.
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