Philbin is the worst part of this team. and its a team with plenty of weaknesses. Is he good at any aspect of coaching?
2015 Dolphins: Fire the Lazor!
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The longer this Clay thing drags on, the more it looks like Buffalo was purely trying to drive up the price on Miami and their plan failed when MIami signed Cameron. Either that or their front office completely ran out of calculators. It doesn't take this long to submit an offer sheet. Miami has a bunch of cap space right now, something that the Bills didn't think was going to be the case. They can match any offer Buffalo puts forward, if they choose to.
Miami doesn't HAVE to have Clay back, and they also have the added security of the transition tag. They literally have to do nothing at this point. It would be nice to get some sort of resolution, but it seems pretty clear that the Bills bungled this.
Parker coming in for his pre-draft visit. I think he would be a good compliment to the talent that's already been assembled. Having two big bodies in Cameron and Parker on board should increase MIami's red zone efficiency on paper.
Miami doesn't HAVE to have Clay back, and they also have the added security of the transition tag. They literally have to do nothing at this point. It would be nice to get some sort of resolution, but it seems pretty clear that the Bills bungled this.
Parker coming in for his pre-draft visit. I think he would be a good compliment to the talent that's already been assembled. Having two big bodies in Cameron and Parker on board should increase MIami's red zone efficiency on paper.
SeoulSoxFan said:
Saw that on Twitter earlier in the day... The trade was a home run before that. It's still a win for Miami, but odd that they subsidized Ellerbe's contract in order to ship him out. If they flat out cut him, they save the additional cap hit, but get nothing in return. So the trade becomes Ellerbe, 3.6M, and a third rounder for Kenny Stills. Again, I still think that the trade nets a positive return for Miami, but it's not as lopsided as it initially seemed.
Just saw a preview of a report that will be airing tonight on a local CBS affiliate in Miami with both of the Pouncey twins. Maurkice, a teammate of Wallace's in Pittsburgh, flat out calls Wallace a coward and says he quit on the team. Mike goes on to say the the organization made moves this offseason to remove certain players from the team, and that it was the right decision for all parties involved.
I saw rumblings that Hartline and Gibson were unhappy with Tannehill throughout the season. I can see both of them being disgruntled with reduced roles, Hartline basically being phased out of the offense and Gibson being replaced by Landry.
I saw rumblings that Hartline and Gibson were unhappy with Tannehill throughout the season. I can see both of them being disgruntled with reduced roles, Hartline basically being phased out of the offense and Gibson being replaced by Landry.
These are the same guys who wore "Free Hernandez" hats following the Patriot's arrest for murder. Maybe Wallace would be deemed less of a "coward" if he utilized a handgun to settle his beef with Philbin.
I root for Mike Pouncey because he plays for my favorite team, but he's a straight-up punk. He and Incognito were besties. I value his opinion on player attitudes very little.
I root for Mike Pouncey because he plays for my favorite team, but he's a straight-up punk. He and Incognito were besties. I value his opinion on player attitudes very little.
Now that the Clay offer is in, Miami should absolutely, positively NOT match that offer. They have a player on board that is as good or arguably better than Clay in Jordan Cameron. Tip your cap to Clay and wish him the best of luck 14 out of 16 weeks moving forwards.
With Clay out, Miami has another 7 million freed up. Clay leaving makes Miami drafting a receiver almost a certainty in the first round or two. Cameron, Landry, Matthews, and Stills is a nice young corps of weapons, but there's no real #1 option.
With Clay out, Miami has another 7 million freed up. Clay leaving makes Miami drafting a receiver almost a certainty in the first round or two. Cameron, Landry, Matthews, and Stills is a nice young corps of weapons, but there's no real #1 option.
Rookies are rarely #1 options as WRs. Too much to learn generally speaking. The Dolphins now have $18M to spend, with roughly $5M assigned to the draft. However...given the way the Suh salary is structured, I'd bed anything they carry some cap space over the next year.
But, who knows. Finding a great FS is priority #1 right now, then an OG, then a WR, then a ILB, a FB/RB and then special teams guys. and a backup QB
But, who knows. Finding a great FS is priority #1 right now, then an OG, then a WR, then a ILB, a FB/RB and then special teams guys. and a backup QB
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WR Michael Crabtree is visiting the #Dolphins today, a source said. Would be a great addition to an otherwise young receiving corp.
WR Michael Crabtree is visiting the #Dolphins today, a source said. Would be a great addition to an otherwise young receiving corp.
Again, Crabtree is a perfect fit for this offense. Great hands, great route runner, good YAC receiver. Hopefully Miami can sign him to a reasonable deal or even a one or two year deal for him to re-establish his value. He's a very good receiver when healthy.
Clears Cleaver said:LOL...Crabtree? Obviously not a Philbin choice.
RichCimini Rich Cimini
SF filed tampering charge vs Jets RT @AdamSchefter When Michael Crabtree came out in 09, he was No. 1 on Jets' board. Tannenbaum now in MIA.
No way Crabtree costs them more than $2M against the cap this year. Leaves about $13M before cost of draft picks. Is the Eagles guard Mathis still an option? Who is out there as a FS? any CBs?
Agreed. I think we're more apt to see an annual salary of 4 or 5 ... than we are 2. Considering the WR available, I had Jennings and Crabtree listed as 1A and 1B as the best possible remaining options. Miller/Cameron/Stills/Crabtree/Landry with Sims/Matthews sprinkled in has a lot of potential.
Edit: Also -- I certainly wouldn't bet on the Fins keeping Clay, but I'm not ready to concede the fact that they won't. 7.6 is the annual salary of the deal; we're paying Cameron 7.5. And if Gronk was in this market? He'd command over 10, rather easily. Clay's in his prime at 26, he's proven to be a bonafide playmaker, and by all accounts he's been an upstanding citizen and locker room presence.
Questions:
1) Can Clay's contract be restructured after Year 1? If so, what are the options? The idea would be to spread the money around, making the Year 2 cap hit less significant.
2) How do the Fins feel about Cameron as a long-term replacement? How confident are they he can remain healthy?
3) Is it worth paying a little extra to keep Clay away from a conference foe?
4) How well do Clay and Cameron's skills compliment each other? If you're paying 15+ for two TE, they better both be on the field often.
Edit: Also -- I certainly wouldn't bet on the Fins keeping Clay, but I'm not ready to concede the fact that they won't. 7.6 is the annual salary of the deal; we're paying Cameron 7.5. And if Gronk was in this market? He'd command over 10, rather easily. Clay's in his prime at 26, he's proven to be a bonafide playmaker, and by all accounts he's been an upstanding citizen and locker room presence.
Questions:
1) Can Clay's contract be restructured after Year 1? If so, what are the options? The idea would be to spread the money around, making the Year 2 cap hit less significant.
2) How do the Fins feel about Cameron as a long-term replacement? How confident are they he can remain healthy?
3) Is it worth paying a little extra to keep Clay away from a conference foe?
4) How well do Clay and Cameron's skills compliment each other? If you're paying 15+ for two TE, they better both be on the field often.
pdaj said:
#4 is probably why I'm not super worried about Clay leaving. Dion SIms compliments Jordan Cameron very well. Cameron is more of a receiver that can be split out to create mismatches. Dion Sims is much more of a traditional in-line TE, and an excellent blocker while not being a slouch as a receiver either. Having them both on the field is not redundent and the cost savings is significant.
I don't know if Cameron is a long term solution. If he can prove his concussions are behind him and he can return to his 2013 form, Miami may look to sign him to a longer deal after this season. He's certainly a capable replacement to fill Clay's role in the offense.
Clay's deal is five years, Cameron 's is, in essence, a one-year deal
Crabtree has no offers. Miami is his one and only visit so far. He'll get a one-year, $2M offer perhaps with some incentives to prove he can still play. I think if Miami signs him they will still take a WR in the draft, maybe early.
Tavaris Jackson visiting Miami today, as is C/OG JD Walton (who I have never heard of)
Where is the FS? Are they really going to go with Michael Thomas??? Delmas won't be healthy for start of the season if they resign him.
Crabtree has no offers. Miami is his one and only visit so far. He'll get a one-year, $2M offer perhaps with some incentives to prove he can still play. I think if Miami signs him they will still take a WR in the draft, maybe early.
Tavaris Jackson visiting Miami today, as is C/OG JD Walton (who I have never heard of)
Where is the FS? Are they really going to go with Michael Thomas??? Delmas won't be healthy for start of the season if they resign him.
It seems like they think highly of Thomas. He was a key ST contributor and was seeing a bunch of the field while Jones was suspended last year. Walt Aiken is also a guy that can fit the bill, as he's very rangey and athletic, but is new to safety and gambles a lot in coverage. I can see MIami trying one of those two as their first option while Delmas is on the mend.
My thoughts about Clay's chances at returning following the Bills' offer sheet was clearly pie in the sky. As I thought about it more last night, I inched closer to acceptance. Clay is a terrific player, but the Fins couldn't afford such a costly commitment with the way the roster is presently constructed. Even if they did, it'd be hard to justify following the signing of Cameron and with Sims on the roster to play for pennies, as you mentioned, soden. I'll miss the dude, though; he was a fun player to watch the last couple years.
CC -- I think I'll retract my former comments and support yours. I talked to a friend of mine today who's a diehard SF fan; he doesn't want Crabtree back. According to him, he's struggled to gain separation since his achilles injury, and he dropped enough passes last year to make Hartline look like Jerry Rice. He's rarely wrong about this shit, and that would explain is lack of interest on the market.
Edit: Miami signed C J.D. Walton today. He's started every game of his NFL career (52), but according to PFF, he's extremely shitty.
Per rotoworld:
CC -- I think I'll retract my former comments and support yours. I talked to a friend of mine today who's a diehard SF fan; he doesn't want Crabtree back. According to him, he's struggled to gain separation since his achilles injury, and he dropped enough passes last year to make Hartline look like Jerry Rice. He's rarely wrong about this shit, and that would explain is lack of interest on the market.
Edit: Miami signed C J.D. Walton today. He's started every game of his NFL career (52), but according to PFF, he's extremely shitty.
Per rotoworld:
Fish resigned Delmas. Similar contract to last year. So Michael Thomas and Delmas if/when he comes back will be the FS.
Also resigned lamichael James.
Still negotiating w Crabtree. I don't mind signing him, but only at a team friendly, incentive laden deal. Not sure there is a market beyond Miami for him. Also, if he is as big a pita as people say, do you want him as the eldest WR/leader of a group of young WRs?
Also resigned lamichael James.
Still negotiating w Crabtree. I don't mind signing him, but only at a team friendly, incentive laden deal. Not sure there is a market beyond Miami for him. Also, if he is as big a pita as people say, do you want him as the eldest WR/leader of a group of young WRs?
Interesting to see them keeping LaMichael James around. He obviously thrived in college in a system similar to what Lazor is trying to run in Miami, so they must have seen enough out of him to warrant bringing him back for another season. Running back is actually pretty shallow with Miller and Williams being the only other RBs on the roster presently, I believe. I'll bet he sees some kick and punt return duties and they move Landry out of that role.
Clears Cleaver said:
Updated:
QB: Tannehill (Moore)
RB: Miller (Williams) (James)
TE: Jordan (Sims)
Out WR: Stills - Open
Slot WR: Landry - Matthews
OL: Albert - Turner - Pouncey - Open - James
S: Jones - Delmas
CB: Grimes - Open - Taylor/Davis
LB: (W) Jenkins - (M) Open - (S) Misi
DL: Vernon - Mitchell - Suh - Wake
Update on Delmas:
http://espn.go.com/blog/miami-dolphins/post/_/id/13932/louis-delmas-says-he-will-be-ready?ex_cid=espnapi_public
a lot of interesting stuff out of Philbin's presser at the Owner's meeting in AZ
1) MCCain is the starter at SLB. Dion Jordan is still a backup DE. So McCain, Misi and Jenkins
2) Dallas Thomas and Billy Turner are the starter at guard
3) dolphins are definitely going youth route
4) Stills was targeted as ideal WR for Tannehill as he is great at running routes Tannehill throws well
5) not sure if Albert will be ready, comfortable with Fox starting until Albert returns
6) loves Demas, wanted him back, leadership, etc. Michael Thomas will start until Delmas is ready, maybe week 1
7) thinks starters are as good as anyone, need to build depth
8) Cameron better in red zone than Clay and again runs routes RT throws well
9) RT no longer kid gloves, expect him to do more, be better, more accurate, better third down/4th quarter
10) nothing going on with Jennings or Crabtree at this point
11) not really focused on a short-yardage back, said Miller was 6th best at short-yardage situations. need depth
edit from Hickey presser:
Albert plan is back for opener, Selmas expect to be ready for June drills
Gillislee returning as third back, but mentioned lot of good backs in draft
not closing door on adding wR in free agency (sounds like waiting for prices to come down)
Dolphins were second in Jimmy Graham trade sweepstakes (not sure who they offered)
didn't name the second starting QB
An FYI on the contract extension. Sparano was fired like 8 mod after being extended by Ross. not meaningful indicator
1) MCCain is the starter at SLB. Dion Jordan is still a backup DE. So McCain, Misi and Jenkins
2) Dallas Thomas and Billy Turner are the starter at guard
3) dolphins are definitely going youth route
4) Stills was targeted as ideal WR for Tannehill as he is great at running routes Tannehill throws well
5) not sure if Albert will be ready, comfortable with Fox starting until Albert returns
6) loves Demas, wanted him back, leadership, etc. Michael Thomas will start until Delmas is ready, maybe week 1
7) thinks starters are as good as anyone, need to build depth
8) Cameron better in red zone than Clay and again runs routes RT throws well
9) RT no longer kid gloves, expect him to do more, be better, more accurate, better third down/4th quarter
10) nothing going on with Jennings or Crabtree at this point
11) not really focused on a short-yardage back, said Miller was 6th best at short-yardage situations. need depth
edit from Hickey presser:
Albert plan is back for opener, Selmas expect to be ready for June drills
Gillislee returning as third back, but mentioned lot of good backs in draft
not closing door on adding wR in free agency (sounds like waiting for prices to come down)
Dolphins were second in Jimmy Graham trade sweepstakes (not sure who they offered)
didn't name the second starting QB
An FYI on the contract extension. Sparano was fired like 8 mod after being extended by Ross. not meaningful indicator
I think the plan on paper is McCain at Sam. It also depends on how he performs and I still wouldn't be surprised to see them take a MLB in the first two rounds and push Misi back to Sam. That seems like a lot of responsibility for a young guy that didn't play a whole lot last season. Jenkins made a big jump, so it isn't impossible, but I would be surprised if that's the case Week 1.
Greg Jennings visiting Miami per multiple sources.
Wouldn't be surprised to see him sign a short term deal. He is basically the mold of what Philbin wants his receivers to be. Just depends on if he has any gas left in the tank. Would be a good veteran presence for all of the young guys and would allow Miami to take a WR later in the draft if they wanted to.
Wouldn't be surprised to see him sign a short term deal. He is basically the mold of what Philbin wants his receivers to be. Just depends on if he has any gas left in the tank. Would be a good veteran presence for all of the young guys and would allow Miami to take a WR later in the draft if they wanted to.
I think they can sign Jennings and still take a WR in first or second round. I think
Where is the guard?????
Where is the guard?????
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/12665397/mike-pouncey-miami-dolphins-agree-5-year-5215-million-extension
22 million guaranteed. Fins finally break that streak that began with Vernon Carey of not resigning their first round draft picks. I like Pouncey and think that when he's 100%, he's an elite player in the game, but I hope he realizes the responsibility that comes with being the highest paid player at your position in the world. He needs to mature and become a leader on this team. He's now a veteran that the young guys they'll be bringing in should model their games after.
I'm a big fan of Pouncey, the player; not the person. It's unfortunate that "we" had to make him the highest-paid center in the league. Just doesn't feel right. But letting him test FA wasn't an option.
Exactly. Someone would pay Pouncey, no question. Signing him also sends a positive message that the organization is willing to take care of their own, which will be reinforced when they inevitably cut Tannehill a new contract.pdaj said:
The gap between the Super Bowl and the draft is too damn long.
seen a couple of mocks that have fish taking Gurley 14th. I understand he is like highest ranked RB in last 8 years, but really? can we please get a legit o-line please?
pdaj said:
It certainly is an option--well run teams let very good players go all the time if the fit isn't right. (I don't have a real opinion on whether the fit is right here--he's talented enough to deserve the contract but he seems like a grade A asshole and I don't want to pay superstar money to assholes if I can avoid it). But even if you decided you had to keep him you could have just had him play out the option year and then franchised him and kept him off the free market until March 2017. Now you're locked in to having Pouncey as your team leader.
Shelterdog said:
I'm all for bringing in as many "good guys" as possible into your NFL locker room; hopefully, they're your majority. But there's a certain level of asshole every team has to put up with. I think Pouncey falls into that category. He's going to do and say stupid shit from time to time, but it's been proven on several occasions that he can be reigned back in and that he'll toe the line, for the most part. Comments like the following re another sign that he's trying:
http://www.islandpacket.com/2015/04/13/3696696/beaufort-county-council-expected.html?rh=1
But my concern is -- now that he has his $$, has a significant incentive been lost?
The financial option you listed probably wasn't possible considering Miami's current cap situation. I think part of the incentive to extend Pouncey now was to structure his contract in a way that created necessary flexibility during certain years. I'm hoping more details on this get reported soon.
While Pouncey is certainly not a Boy Scout, he's never done anything on the field such as drawing personal fouls or getting suspended that has ever put Miami in a bad spot. He even changed positions last year to try and make the offensive line the best it could be. Between the lines, Pouncey is a multi time Pro Bowler entering his prime with a pretty clean bill of health assuming his hip is now 100%. You can't let guys like that walk.
He seems to be humbled by what happened during the bully gate scandal and there's no question Miami is much better with him than without.
He seems to be humbled by what happened during the bully gate scandal and there's no question Miami is much better with him than without.
I've been trying to glean some things and weigh the pros & cons of the Phins shedule next year. On the one hand, the 1st half road schedule is extreme, especially considering the "home" game in London; on the other, that seems mitigated by the relatively weak draw among the teams they'll be visiting. That said, this team has been so Jekyll & Hyde over the years, I'm not sure it's worth the time to try to analyze. If they can manage to stay competitive through November, though, they'll have one helluva stretch run. Aside from NE, that Indy game stands out as a potential doozy.
Tough to say. Miami has shown up in several of both the best and worst schedule lists. One hand, they're opening slate is rough but the opponents aren't overly difficult. Their home stretch to close out the season includes Indy and NE where Miami's biggest home field advantage, the heat and humidity, will be mitigated.dwainw said:
The biggest key for Miami will be to finish strong. They've been on the doorstep of the playoffs the last two seasons and have fallen apart both years. They need to close strong, and if the home games help, so be it.
Miami is signing Jennings. They also signed veteran OL Jeff Linkenbach and Jacques McClendon.
Jennings is definitely a stopgap player likely to be signed to a one or two year deal. The moves today really free up Miami to take the BPA at 14 or trade down should they choose to do so.
Jennings is definitely a stopgap player likely to be signed to a one or two year deal. The moves today really free up Miami to take the BPA at 14 or trade down should they choose to do so.