2015 Dolphins: Fire the Lazor!

[Clears Cleaver]

and....Brandon Albert is hurt! yippee!!!
 
lol...is it possible for the season to end in week one?
 
Dallas Thomas got beat so bad on the Tannehill fumble....smh. 
 
first play after Albert hurt literally pouncey, linkenbach and thomas got beat for a sack

 

[Clears Cleaver]

Suh - one tackle

 

[Clears Cleaver]

red zone:
1) stupid pass to Landry loses 7
2) stupid play call on tannehill run causes...
3) delay of game on third down
4) pass play that has no chance of yielding a TD
 
its like Dumber and Dumber and Dumbest

 

[TSC]

You know there's a week 1 game thread, right?

 

[Clears Cleaver]

Landry! wow, that was explosive. 
 
now get a three and out and ice this team

 

[sodenj5]

I haven't loved a player as much as I love Landry in a long time. Everything he brings to the table.

 

[Clears Cleaver]

You know there's a week 1 game thread, right?

 
yes, but there's pats fans over there. I prefer the solitude and lack of, ya know, Pats fans

 

[Clears Cleaver]

I haven't loved a player as much as I love Landry in a long time. Everything he brings to the table.

 
+1

 

[Time to Mo Vaughn]

I'm done with this team. worst performance of the Philbin era, that's saying something. Ridiculous effort and staff/roster construction.
 
redskins have more yards than dolphins had possession in seconds
 
here's a little secret...Wake and OV suck. Neither should be in except situational pass rush. And the Sheppard/Vigil MLB is a joke. 
 
the guards are getting killed. they have created no running space and have been blown backwards on pass plays
 
and Tannehill has missed two TD passes to wide open WRs while on the move (his former strength)

You sure have an interesting way of showing it...
 

Matthews drops first down pass and next play is a disaster fumble. Guards again abused. They are trying really hard to lose
 
Jordan Cameron has been fun to watch. he gets open.

 
 

and....Brandon Albert is hurt! yippee!!!
 
lol...is it possible for the season to end in week one?
 
Dallas Thomas got beat so bad on the Tannehill fumble....smh. 
 
first play after Albert hurt literally pouncey, linkenbach and thomas got beat for a sack

 
 

Suh - one tackle

 
 

red zone:
1) stupid pass to Landry loses 7
2) stupid play call on tannehill run causes...
3) delay of game on third down
4) pass play that has no chance of yielding a TD
 
its like Dumber and Dumber and Dumbest

 
 

Landry! wow, that was explosive. 
 
now get a three and out and ice this team

 
 

 
yes, but there's pats fans over there. I prefer the solitude and lack of, ya know, Pats fans

 
 

 
+1

 

[dwainw]

With all 3 other AFC East teams winning decisively within the conference, this win by Miami proved to be even more critical.  

There were a few bright spots in the 2nd half, even beyond Jarvis Landry, but in general, the best part of the Dolphins' game today was their ability to accept Washington penalties.  They've got work to do.

 

[sodenj5]

Definitely a lot of room for improvement. Hopefully Dion Sims is ok, Miami gets thin at TE without him.

Standouts:
Jarvis Landry
Jordan Cameron
Brent Grimes
Reshad Jones

Landry seems faster this year. There were several times last season where he came really close to breaking a return for a TD, but would get caught. He seems like his top end speed is just a bit higher and that's the difference between a good return and a great return.

 

[Clears Cleaver]

Sims was a concussion, I think. Albert came back but wasn't 100%. 
 
the MLB, guards and second CB play was pretty abysmal. as was Wake and vernon versus the run. I was serious, I don't think either guy is a three down player. fede should be a starter
 
did chris mccain play, I never heard his name mentioned.
 
Phillips is a beast, btw. he was more disruptive (albeit not facing same doubles) as Suh

 

[( . ) ( . ) and (_!_)]

https://mobile.twitter.com/NFL_RealUpdates/status/643178332662665216/video/1

Suh with a possible kick to Alfred Morris' head during the game.

I didn't want this guy in the AFC East. I have no doubt Bill/Brady will make him a non-factor in the game but I do worry about him brining his douchiness to a game vs the Pats and hurting someone with a cheap shot.

 

[pdaj]

T&A -- The Fins game vs. the Lions last year was by far the most stressful for me as a fan. The entire contest, I was fearful that Suh was going to go Bloodsport on Tannehill at some point during the game. Thankfully, it never happened -- but I definitely get why other fans don't like the dude. Now that he's in Miami, I want to like him, and his demeanor off the field makes it hard not to at times, but if he's going to keep stomping on quarterbacks? The sh-t he did yesterday with Morris -- sure, it wasn't classy -- but it wasn't going to cause an injury. (I'd classify it more as a knee than a kick.) I'm just hoping he's smart enough not to cross the line any further. Though, his history doesn't leave me very confident of this.
 
By in large, I thought the Dolphins kind of sucked yesterday, for many of the reasons already noted. Part of me thinks the team might have done some heavy newspaper reading, as there has been way too much hype about this year's squad already. But, hey, they got the win on the road -- and no victory in the NFL should be taken for granted. My 3 biggest concerns right now going forward are:
 
1) This offense is still a finesse group. If they can't convert 3-and short to extend drives or get TD in the redzone, this team's potential will not be fully realized.
2) The run defense. It was an issue last year, and it was an issue again yesterday. The division games will not be pretty if this area isn't improved upon -- and quickly.
3) LB coverage. Reed beat this group up a bit yesterday. What do you think Gronk's going to do?
 
I was at the bar yesterday, so I'll re-watch the game tonight or tomorrow.

 

[Clears Cleaver]

Suh not being disciplined by league. And I thought the reason they brought him and paid him ridiculous money was to injure Brady. I mean, isn't that the best way to win the division? :q:
 
OV is gonna be out a while, it appears. I actually don't mind this given how Washington exploited him so easily in the first half

 

[sodenj5]

I think some of the biggest positives to come out of that game were Jordan Cameron showing he can be real weapon for this team and Branden Albert making it through the full game. Obviously my heart dropped when I saw him lying on the ground without his helmet. His value can't be understated. If he goes down, this whole line will look like 2014 again.
 
Against J-Ville, Miami's defense should really feast. Bortles still looks a bit lost and I think this defense should really be able to impose their will on the Jags.

 

[mcaqua]

Suh not being disciplined by league. And I thought the reason they brought him and paid him ridiculous money was to injure Brady. I mean, isn't that the best way to win the division? :q:
 
OV is gonna be out a while, it appears.
 

I'm done with this team. worst performance of the Philbin era, that's saying something. Ridiculous effort and staff/roster construction.
 
redskins have more yards than dolphins had possession in seconds
 
here's a little secret...Wake and OV suck. Neither should be in except situational pass rush. And the Sheppard/Vigil MLB is a joke. 
 
the guards are getting killed. they have created no running space and have been blown backwards on pass plays
 
and Tannehill has missed two TD passes to wide open WRs while on the move (his former strength)

 

I think this is misguided.  Its far from a talent issue on the DL - I think this is another case of the coaching staff making chicken shit out of chicken salad.  Kevin Coyle being the culprit here (though Philbin and Lazor certainly didn't cover themselves in glory from an offensive game planning perspective).  From my untrained eye, it seemed like in the first half Washington was using Miami's over-aggressiveness against them, allowing Morris to hit cutback lanes and gash the front seven for chunks of yardage at a time.  In the second half, it appeared that Coyle recognized this and took his foot off the gas pedal a little bit (eased off the pressure packages and his famed double-a gap blitz).  All that said, there is no doubt that Coyle got worked over in the running game by his Washington counterparts.
 
This coaching staff simply doesn't inspire confidence.  Lazor has been horrific in the redzone dating back to last year and the offense has been terribly unbalanced for the duration of Philbin's tenure.  I think Coyle has proven himself to be a pretty terrible DC - from the complete and utter collapse of the defense down the stretch last year to yesterday's pathetic showing.  Its certainly no coincidence that he had problems with Starks and Odrick at various points last season.
 
They're an extremely top-heavy roster, and as the season progresses and depth is tested that might ultimately be their undoing.  But right now, they're relatively healthy and I can't shake the feeling that their most pressing problems are scheme-based. This team is going to be held back by coaching once again.
 
EDITED TO ADD:  I wonder what Suh was in Philbin's ear about?

 

[sodenj5]

I think this is misguided.  Its far from a talent issue on the DL - I think this is another case of the coaching staff making chicken shit out of chicken salad.  Kevin Coyle being the culprit here (though Philbin and Lazor certainly didn't cover themselves in glory from an offensive game planning perspective).  From my untrained eye, it seemed like in the first half Washington was using Miami's over-aggressiveness against them, allowing Morris to hit cutback lanes and gash the front seven for chunks of yardage at a time.  In the second half, it appeared that Coyle recognized this and took his foot off the gas pedal a little bit (eased off the pressure packages and his famed double-a gap blitz).  All that said, there is no doubt that Coyle got worked over in the running game by his Washington counterparts.
 
This coaching staff simply doesn't inspire confidence.  Lazor has been horrific in the redzone dating back to last year and the offense has been terribly unbalanced for the duration of Philbin's tenure.  I think Coyle has proven himself to be a pretty terrible DC - from the complete and utter collapse of the defense down the stretch last year to yesterday's pathetic showing.  Its certainly no coincidence that he had problems with Starks and Odrick at various points last season.
 
They're an extremely top-heavy roster, and as the season progresses and depth is tested that might ultimately be their undoing.  But right now, they're relatively healthy and I can't shake the feeling that their most pressing problems are scheme-based. This team is going to be held back by coaching once again.
 
EDITED TO ADD:  I wonder what Suh was in Philbin's ear about?

 
I think Coyle is who he is at this point. I don't think he adjusts his gameplan week to week for the opponents well enough, or makes the in-game adjustments quick enough. With the game on the line on Washington's final offensive play, Coyle dialed up a double A-gap blitz right in the face of Cousins. It worked, as Cousins was forced to throw early and off balance, but it seems like Coyle will do what he does, and that's it.
 
I feel like the offense will imporve in the red zone once Parker is fully healthy and up to speed. Having two big athletic bodies in Parker and Cameron along with a shifty guy like Landry and Miller in the backfield, Miami will be able to attack teams in a lot of different ways once everything is in place.
 
Getting stuffed on a 4th and short is all too familiar though. I think Lazor erroneously abandoned the run too early in the first half. The offense changed once they started feeding Miller. He was a ghost in the first half. FWIW, Washington was actually pretty good at defending the run last season (9th in DVOA), and that was before adding Terrence Knighton at NT.

 

[Clears Cleaver]

Wake and OV are awful against the run. they both were last year in the last 8 games and were again Sunday. Literally running at either is an invitation for 5 yards. I noticed Wake was sitting on first down a lot in the second half, but I did not rewatch every play to confirm that.
 
I agree on Coyle. Its ahrd to watch sometimes. Washington ahs ONE WR and one TE and both are open. Huh?
 
One game. Fix it. Beat JAx and the home crowd, new stadium should be a big plus...etc etc etc

 

[Red PR]

I'm done with this team. worst performance of the Philbin era, that's saying something. Ridiculous effort and staff/roster construction.
 
redskins have more yards than dolphins had possession in seconds
 
here's a little secret...Wake and OV suck. Neither should be in except situational pass rush. And the Sheppard/Vigil MLB is a joke. 
 
the guards are getting killed. they have created no running space and have been blown backwards on pass plays
 
and Tannehill has missed two TD passes to wide open WRs while on the move (his former strength)

 
Its just 1 game, small sample size but I do not like at all the way this team came out. Its a W great, but I feel Philbin is not maximizing the talent that is in this team (or previous years)
I have said since year 1 , this man is not fit to be an NFL coach. I really hope I am wrong because id like this to be a good year. 

 

[sodenj5]

So if it's any consolation, Washington is currently up 17-0 against the Rams. Maybe Miami doesn't suck.

 

[sodenj5]

My god, this team cannot stop the run.

 

[Clears Cleaver]

My god, this team cannot stop the run.

The MLB is awful no matter who plays. And the ends are again terrible.

I see why Aikens never won a spot on this team. Wow he gets beat bad

 

[Clears Cleaver]

I rewatched ten offensive plays on the last two drives. Dallas Thomas got beat on five on them. Beaten. That is amazingly bad
 
Tannehill has looked great. lol...its like bizarro world. He's gotten good and their defense has gotten bad. if they had an o-line he could put up big numbers, especially when Parker comes back.
 
edit: they have no sacks one one tackle in the backfield. by their safety
 
edit 2: are you serious? the end of the half. that was absurd. Do the Dolphins ever win the last two minutes of a half or a game? (last week they scored late in first half, but this stuff happens to them all the time)

 

[sodenj5]

If Miami loses this game but it means that Coyle is fired before stepping foot on the plane later... I'll take that.

 

[sodenj5]

Tannehill on fire.

 

[Clears Cleaver]

Jax has given up 4 or more sacks in 8 straight games. Dolphins have 0.

And they can't run the ball. Lucky Bortles and the WRs are not on same page

 

[Clears Cleaver]

If/when they lose, Walt Aikens will be reason they blew this game. Dallas Thomas and Joe Philbin with the assists.

 

[jsinger121]

Same old dolphins

 

[sodenj5]

Unreal. So many things to hate about this game, I don't even know where to start.

 

[Clears Cleaver]

Unreal. So many things to hate about this game, I don't even know where to start.

 
coaching staff
front office
offensive line
defensive line
safeties
Olivier Vernon
placekicker
 
that's in order, btw

 

[Helmet Head]

I really thought Tannehill was ready to take the next step coming into this season. I have watched a good portion of their first two games and he is average at best. Really disappointing start of the season for the phins on both sides of the ball. I think they can still turn it around but I think that the coach may be the issue.

 

[jimbobim]

Unreal. So many things to hate about this game, I don't even know where to start.

Here's some fuel for the hate ... 
 
A big reason why: Suh, who for the second straight week was a nonfactor, strayed from Kevin Coyle’s script.
The Miami Herald has learned that Suh freelanced at times Sunday, creating confusion on the defense. By taking matters into his own hands, the Dolphins’ $114 million man took a bad situation and made it worse.
“I couldn’t tell you,” Suh said, when asked to explain his uninspired play. “At the end of the day, we have to go back to the drawing board and figure out what we want to run so guys can make plays and go from there.”
Priority No. 1 is showing up for the opening kick.

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/nfl/miami-dolphins/article35922093.html#storylink=cpy
http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/nfl/miami-dolphins/article35922093.html 

 

[riboflav]

Here's some fuel for the hate ... 
 
A big reason why: Suh, who for the second straight week was a nonfactor, strayed from Kevin Coyle’s script.
The Miami Herald has learned that Suh freelanced at times Sunday, creating confusion on the defense. By taking matters into his own hands, the Dolphins’ $114 million man took a bad situation and made it worse.
“I couldn’t tell you,” Suh said, when asked to explain his uninspired play. “At the end of the day, we have to go back to the drawing board and figure out what we want to run so guys can make plays and go from there.”
Priority No. 1 is showing up for the opening kick.

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/nfl/miami-dolphins/article35922093.html#storylink=cpy
http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/nfl/miami-dolphins/article35922093.html 

 
I know this is a Dolphins thread so my apologies, but the bolded is such a great example of the difference between elite teams and very good teams. No way a Patriots player says such a thing and survives.

 

[GeorgeCostanza]

To your point, sounds exactly like something Adalius Thomas would have said.

 

[sodenj5]

One of the big reasons Suh was brought in was to fortify the run defense and free up Wake and Vernon to get after the QB. Miami is just as bad at defending the run as they were last year and they have 1 sack so far this season from Jordan Phillips.

Part of this needs to be placed at the feet of Hickey and Tannenbaum. LB was a weakness last year and apart from Jenkins, it looks just as suspect as 2014.

Things to fix immediately:

The god damn defense. No excuse for playing this poorly. None.
The running game/offensive play calling. Tannehill was about the only thing going right on offense and he was scrambling for his life half the day.

Positives:
Ryan Tannehill
Jarvis Landry
Jordan Cameron

Negatives:
Literally everything else.

 

[sodenj5]

I really thought Tannehill was ready to take the next step coming into this season. I have watched a good portion of their first two games and he is average at best. Really disappointing start of the season for the phins on both sides of the ball. I think they can still turn it around but I think that the coach may be the issue.

 
You must have not been watching the same game. While he still has things to iron out, he was literally the only thing keeping Miami afloat and getting humiliated by the Jags. His throws were on time, he was throwing with accuracy and anticipation, several times throwing his receivers open and lofting balls into holes in the zone coverage before his receivers were open. Only one play I can recall that was a clear miss by him was he had Cameron wide open in the seam and overthrew him just as he got crushed in the pocket. If he has half a second longer in the pocket, that's a huge gain. He made plays with his feet, extended plays, made throws on the run, really kept the offense alive.
 
If nothing else, this game confirmed to me that Tannehill is improving, is ascending, and is fully capable of being the franchise quarterback Miami was hoping he could be. I genuinely fear for his safety Sunday against the Bills. No way Rex doesn't see the issues they have in protection and isn't licking his chops. The BIlls are a horrible matchup for Miami. They do well what Miami is worst at. They run the ball and get after the QB. Needless to say I'm a bit pessimistic about Week 3.

 

[mcaqua]

Here's some fuel for the hate ... 
 
A big reason why: Suh, who for the second straight week was a nonfactor, strayed from Kevin Coyle’s script.
The Miami Herald has learned that Suh freelanced at times Sunday, creating confusion on the defense. By taking matters into his own hands, the Dolphins’ $114 million man took a bad situation and made it worse.
“I couldn’t tell you,” Suh said, when asked to explain his uninspired play. “At the end of the day, we have to go back to the drawing board and figure out what we want to run so guys can make plays and go from there.”
Priority No. 1 is showing up for the opening kick.

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/nfl/miami-dolphins/article35922093.html#storylink=cpy
http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/nfl/miami-dolphins/article35922093.html 

 

 
Why are we surprised?

 

[mcaqua]

 
You must have not been watching the same game. While he still has things to iron out, he was literally the only thing keeping Miami afloat and getting humiliated by the Jags. His throws were on time, he was throwing with accuracy and anticipation, several times throwing his receivers open and lofting balls into holes in the zone coverage before his receivers were open. Only one play I can recall that was a clear miss by him was he had Cameron wide open in the seam and overthrew him just as he got crushed in the pocket. If he has half a second longer in the pocket, that's a huge gain. He made plays with his feet, extended plays, made throws on the run, really kept the offense alive.
 
If nothing else, this game confirmed to me that Tannehill is improving, is ascending, and is fully capable of being the franchise quarterback Miami was hoping he could be. I genuinely fear for his safety Sunday against the Bills. No way Rex doesn't see the issues they have in protection and isn't licking his chops. The BIlls are a horrible matchup for Miami. They do well what Miami is worst at. They run the ball and get after the QB. Needless to say I'm a bit pessimistic about Week 3.

 
The pocket awareness is still a major, major issue.  He holds onto the football way too long.  That near safety late in the 4th quarter was ridiculous.  Sure, Jason Fox got beat like a drum on his blindside, but that's a situation where the ball has to come out immediately.  He just has no feel for the pocket whatsoever.  Its a turnover waiting to happen with his sieve of an offensive line.

 

[sodenj5]

It seemed like Odrick and Starks never really bought in to Coyle's system. Now Suh is already taking it on himself to do his own thing. This could get pretty ugly quickly if Philbin does not address it. It's not just a matter of the new guy showing up the D Coordinator, it's the fact that the defense fell apart last year and the game planning and play calling appear to be just as suspect early this year. That's while facing the Redskins and the Jags. A competent offense will shred this D.

 

[sodenj5]

 
The pocket awareness is still a major, major issue.  He holds onto the football way too long.  That near safety late in the 4th quarter was ridiculous.  Sure, Jason Fox got beat like a drum on his blindside, but that's a situation where the ball has to come out immediately.  He just has no feel for the pocket whatsoever.  Its a turnover waiting to happen with his sieve of an offensive line.

 
I can't disagree in that situation that he held the ball for too long. Backed up against your own end zone, that ball needs to be out right away or thrown away. He stood there and let Odrick get to him. I did think that he was showing better awareness overall. He used his feet to extend plays and get out of trouble several times. His TD pass to Williams was 100% created by him avoiding pressure and making an outstanding individual play. His TD pass to Stoneburner was just a rope into a tight seam around the goal line. Like I said, he has things he needs to work on, but he was so far down the list of things that went wrong yesterday it's not even funny.

 

[mcaqua]

It seemed like Odrick and Starks never really bought in to Coyle's system. Now Suh is already taking it on himself to do his own thing. This could get pretty ugly quickly if Philbin does not address it. It's not just a matter of the new guy showing up the D Coordinator, it's the fact that the defense fell apart last year and the game planning and play calling appear to be just as suspect early this year. That's while facing the Redskins and the Jags. A competent offense will shred this D.

 
I don't know how this gets addressed without Coyle being fired - and I don't know how you fire a DC two weeks into the season.  And as terrible as Coyle has been for a couple of years now, let's not pretend like the other facets of this staff are inspiring confidence. 
 
Why haven't they utilized Kenny Stills on offense?  Why do they have one rushing attempt in the 4th quarter of a tie football game?  Why has the running game's effectiveness regressed dramatically through two games compared to last season?  This team isn't going to win games where Tannehill is being asked to throw 45 times.
 
Philbin, Lazor and Coyle are all being tasked with issues above their pay grade.  None of them are fit to be holding their current position.  

 

[Clears Cleaver]

Stills doesn't play because he was hurt all preseason and Matthews won the spot. Matthews has played pretty well. But basically they spent a first and third on two WRs who have provided two catches and 10 yards in two games so far

Coyle needs to be fired.

 

[sodenj5]

Stills doesn't play because he was hurt all preseason and Matthews won the spot. Matthews has played pretty well. But basically they spent a first and third on two WRs who have provided two catches and 10 yards in two games so far

Coyle needs to be fired.

 
How Lazor has used Stills thus far is completely unimaginative. Miami can't run the ball, then they bring in Stills and have him run a double move on a playaction that no one bites on. They did it maybe 3 times yesterday.

 

[sodenj5]

So, looking forward, the next two weeks are going to be very big for Miami. The home opener is Sunday against the Bills. As I said before, I hate this match up on paper for the Dolphins. The following week, they travel to London to face the Jets in a "home game" for them. They can't afford to drop both of these games and head into the bye 1-3.
 
I'll be very interested to see how the team comes out and plays Sunday. They should be angry after being embarrassed in Jacksonville. They should know that Buffalo is going to try and pound the ball on the ground and they're going to send blitzers from all over to test Miami's weak protection. None of these things should be a surprise to the coaching staff. They have all week to plan for it. If Buffalo comes out and starts gouging Miami on the ground, I'm going to be very unhappy. They also promoted Jonas Gray from the PS with Miller a bit banged up. Hopefully they are willing to commit to running the ball and setting the tone early.

 

[Clears Cleaver]

if they are 1-3 into the bye Philbin will be fired. As will Coyle

 

[mcaqua]

if they are 1-3 into the bye Philbin will be fired. As will Coyle

 
This won't happen.  Even Sparano got 13 games to prove his meddle before getting the axe back in '11.  And Ross actually likes Philbin.
 
As far as Coyle, Philbin elected to keep him over the offseason after the defense literally imploded during the 2nd half of 2014.  Four weeks isn't changing Philbin's opinion on the guy.

 

[sodenj5]

One of the things that blows my mind is that Philbin was able to fire Mike Sherman, with whom he's had a long standing relationship with, because he realized he was hampering the offense and Tannehill's development. He somehow came to the conclusion that Coyle was not bad enough at his job to get fired after watching the unit completely collapse under his watch.

 

[soxfan121]

Tells me Philbin thinks the problem is players not performing, and not Coyle's scheme.

Bold move, Joe. Let's see how that works out for you.

 

[rymflaherty]

I actually thought this team was going to be good this year...