2015 Dolphins: Fire the Lazor!

SeoulSoxFan · Oct 5, 2015

Confirmed by numerous sources:

@JasonLaCanfora Add me to the list reporting/confirming Joe Philbin was fired; TE Coach Dan Campbell takes over. Ft. Lauderdale Sun Sentinal I think was 1st

Color me semi-shocked that Lazor was not chosen as the interim HC. Not a confidence booster for the embattled OC?

mcaqua · Oct 5, 2015

Coyle has been fired as well.

Reggie's Racquet · Oct 5, 2015

If the Fins wait a week or so Rexy may be available.

dynomite · Oct 5, 2015

Not a surprise. It's rare that an early season firing is so obviously necessary, and an indictment of organizational decision-making after last year's finish.

Lazor wasn't appointed interim HC, I imagine, because his job isn't safe either. Given the state of that offensive line and the seeming regression of Tannehill, I can see why.

As others said, what a mess.

Edit: also possible that Lazor was told to focus on the offense and getting Tannehill right. That's probably just as important for the state of the franchise -- it was clear something was wrong (mechanics?) and he needs a lot of coaching attention.

amarshal2 · Oct 5, 2015

Is Lazor being fired? Otherwise, what's that dynamic like now?

"Hey, Bill, remember yesterday when you were my boss? That was fun."

PedroKsBambino · Oct 5, 2015

Can we say that the Dolphins head coaching role is now wide open?

jablo1312 · Oct 5, 2015

Not quite shuffling the deck chairs on the Titanic, but I'm not sure how much this changes things this season (or even moving forward into next year).

It seems like the Dolphins have a roster construction problem. In a perfect world, where injuries aren't a thing, they have the talent to compete with anyone in the league. But the NFL is a war of attrition, and when you're throwing boatloads of cash at a few stars, you're gonna need them to stay healthy and very productive to compete for a full season. Neither of those things are happening for Miami right now.

Norm loves Vera · Oct 5, 2015

According to Wiki (I know) Campbell was a Coach Intern with the Dolphins during the 2010 and was hired as the TE Coach in 2011. He is just under a month older than Peyton Manning.. a quick google indicates he is now the youngest NFL HC. Crazy things can happen, but I don't see this as a great move.

mcaqua · Oct 5, 2015

sodenj5 said:
From what I've heard, Campbell is a well regarded coach and is actually a holdover from the Sporano regime. With the amount of issues they have on offense right now, they may have decided it was best to have Lazor focus on fixing the offense than trying to manage the whole team. That being said, I'm also surprised Campbell is the guy. It may be that he's a guy the players respect and has been there longer than any of the other coaches.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

And the fact that his personality is essentially the polar opposite of Philbin's. That had to have some appeal considering how lethargic this team has been from the get-go.

Ed Hillel · Oct 5, 2015

The roster construction goes beyond talent issues, I think. There should be high character leaders in each area, and I'm not sure Miami grades highly overall there. When you have players talking about quitting on the season after a month, it's fair to question just how much coaching can help, particulalrly non-elite coaching.

kelpapa · Oct 5, 2015

norm from cheers said:
According to Wiki (I know) Campbell was a Coach Intern with the Dolphins during the 2010 and was hired as the TE Coach in 2011. He is just under a month older than Peyton Manning.. a quick google indicates he is now the youngest NFL HC. Crazy things can happen, but I don't see this as a great move.

According to the rich eisen show he was the only hold over from Sparano.

Clears Cleaver · Oct 5, 2015

Lazor is never going to be head coach. Ever. He may still be fired before season end

Gambler7 · Oct 5, 2015

Frustrations have been mounting for weeks, and escalated Saturday during practice prior to the game. Philbin has also been struggling on how to handle his franchise quarterback, Ryan Tannehill, who had been rattled even in practice sessions. On Saturday during practice, Tannehill, after a couple of practice squad players forced turnovers, Tannehill made negative comments toward them, including saying: “Enjoy your practice squad paycheck, enjoy your practice squad trophy.”
Sources say this has been going on for the past few weeks as the practice squad players have been intercepting Tannehill and frustrating the former Texas A&M wide receiver turned quarterback. Philbin told the practice squad players to take it easy on Tannehill to not affect the young quarterback’s confidence.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/sources-say-tension-with-dolphins-had-been-mounting-for-weeks-in-practice/

Clears Cleaver · Oct 5, 2015

https://twitter.com/aaronwilson_nfl/status/651074211255971840

Lol. Tannehill has been a mess the past two weeks. But this report suggests he may not be a leader at all and probably shown the door if he can't turn it around. Just awful character.

mcaqua · Oct 5, 2015

sodenj5 said:
He's a former player, blue collar type of guy, and like you said, he's probably as far removed from Philbin as they have presently. If nothing else, he might get some kind of spark into these guys. I'm not going to talk myself into him leading some type of revolution, because that's delusional. I just want to see a team that goes out and competes. That would be a big step up from what I've seen the first 4 weeks, where it looked like Landry was the only guy that bothered to show up.

Yeah I mean you can see the appeal here...
Note: Language NSFW

https://twitter.com/FinsInsider/status/651068715040178176

Stitch01 · Oct 5, 2015

Whats a fair O/U for these guys at this point for the season, 5 wins?

dwainw · Oct 5, 2015

sodenj5 said:
He's a former player, blue collar type of guy, and like you said, he's probably as far removed from Philbin as they have presently. If nothing else, he might get some kind of spark into these guys. I'm not going to talk myself into him leading some type of revolution, because that's delusional. I just want to see a team that goes out and competes. That would be a big step up from what I've seen the first 4 weeks, where it looked like Landry was the only guy that bothered to show up.

This is where I'm at. It's sad that that's what we're reduced to, but to have their games effectively decided by early in the 2nd quarter is as infuriating as it is inexplicable. I was ready to stop watching for the season, but I guess this buys them another week or two of my business.

sodenj5 said:
Regarding Tannehill, the guy is shook. No two ways about it. His line is getting him killed on almost every passing down, and it's in his head to the point where he's practicing poorly as well. Do I care about him taking out his frustrations on a practice squad guy? Not really. Do I care about them doing something to protect him so he can get his feel back? Absolutely.

For christ's sake, Tanney, STFU. I mean, the shitty line he's been dealing with for basically his whole career has certainly stunted his growth, but he's flat out regressing this year. What has he had--about half a dozen or so poorly thrown passes to wide open guys when the pressure has been moderate to minimal?

Gambler7 said:
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/sources-say-tension-with-dolphins-had-been-mounting-for-weeks-in-practice/

Philbin told the practice squad players to take it easy on Tannehill to not affect the young quarterback’s confidence.

If this is true, it's effing pathetic and has to have damaged his standing as a supposed leader of this team.

Edit: I just saw sodenj's last post. I really hope that stuff is BS.

Shelterdog · Oct 5, 2015

sodenj5 said:
Let's be real and call it what it is. 2015 is a quickly sinking ship. The other in-house options are underwhelming. No one like Gruden or Shannahan is walking through the doors this season before the house is cleaned out, if at all.

I'm not sure I believe it but former coaches (like a Cowher or Gruden) make the claim that they won't interview where a head coach is currently in place. If Ross is inclined to go for a big name of some sort this makes it easier for him to get his candidate.

Joe D Reid · Oct 5, 2015

Honestly, the biggest thing for Campbell this year is to plug up these leaks so that the well isn't poisoned for next year. They need to get boring in a hurry.

yeahlunchbox · Oct 5, 2015

kelpapa said:
According to the rich eisen show he was the only hold over from Sparano.

Darren Rizzi, the special teams coordinator, is also a hold over from Sparano.

rymflaherty · Oct 5, 2015

https://twitter.com/DeVanteParker09/status/651021619104714752

From Parker's Verified Twitter account. I suppose you can argue that could be in reference to anything, but it seems fairly obvious.
It seems the whole "quit on coach" narrative is usually a media creation and filled with hyperbole, but in this instance, the more we hear, it really seems to be the case.

I'll be interested to seeing if anything changes on Offense. Does Parker get on the field in place of Jennings? Will Tannehill be allowed to audible? Will they try to establish the run more, etc. etc...
As I'm not sure if things such as these were by Lazor's design, or represent instances where Philbin was micromanaging the staff as well.

Edit* - Sorry, It doesn't look like I'm linking the Tweet correctly. Tried a few different ways and each way seemed to be worse, and couldn't find the thread showing how to do it correctly,

GeorgeCostanza · Oct 5, 2015

rymflaherty said:
[twitter]

Yes
— DeVante Parker (@DeVanteParker09) https://twitter.com/DeVanteParker09/status/651021619104714752
[/twitter]

From Parker's Verified Twitter account. I suppose you can argue that could be in reference to anything, but it seems fairly obvious.
It seems the whole "quit on coach" narrative is usually a media creation and filled with hyperbole, but in this instance, the more we hear, it really seems to be the case.

I'll be interested to seeing if anything changes on Offense. Does Parker get on the field in place of Jennings? Will Tannehill be allowed to audible? Will they try to establish the run more, etc. etc...
As I'm not sure if things such as these were by Lazor's design, or represent instances where Philbin was micromanaging the staff as well.

Edit* - Sorry, It doesn't look like I'm linking the Tweet correctly. Tried a few different ways and each way seemed to be worse, and couldn't find the thread showing how to do it correctly,

What did the tweet say? Looks like it's been deleted.

Statman · Oct 5, 2015

You can't make this stuff up.

On Saturday during practice, [Ryan] Tannehill, after a couple of practice squad players forced turnovers, Tannehill made negative comments toward them, including saying: “Enjoy your practice squad paycheck, enjoy your practice squad trophy.”

Philbin told the practice squad players to take it easy on Tannehill to not affect the young quarterback’s confidence.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/sources-say-tension-with-dolphins-had-been-mounting-for-weeks-in-practice/

Red PR · Oct 5, 2015

Statman said:
You can't make this stuff up.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/sources-say-tension-with-dolphins-had-been-mounting-for-weeks-in-practice/

Beat me to it,..

Tannehill since drafted (and that awkward first take interview) I sensed a whiff of douchebaggery, I was not on board with him, then he started progressing great. but now, his level of play and now this.. This..how can I root for a guy like this?? What an absolute tool :colbert:

dcmissle · Oct 5, 2015

You have to be one insecure asshole to make a remark like that to practice squad players. Marino almost certainly was an asshole; insecure, decidedly not.

SeoulSoxFan · Oct 5, 2015

Stitch01 said:
Whats a fair O/U for these guys at this point for the season, 5 wins?

ELO ratings has them at 5.4 wins: http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2015-nfl-predictions/
FO has them at 26th in overall DVOA. In 2014, 26th team was the Bears, who finished 5-11: http://espn.go.com/nfl/standings/_/season/2014/group/league

Miami has the talent that Bears did not -- I still can't see them winning less than 7 with a weak schedule.

m0ckduck · Oct 5, 2015

sodenj5 said:
Campbell press conference going on right now. Says he plans on changing the culture, players haven't been challenged enough. Basically calling them soft. Sounds pretty accurate so far.

Shades of bringing Bobby Valentine in to clean up the Sox clubhouse after the 2011 season. The results may be horrifying, but it at least marks a clear break from the recent past.

Ralphwiggum · Oct 5, 2015

Maybe the incident with the practice squad players didn't happen the way it was laid out in that article, but if it did happen then apparently Tanny is a fucking dick on top of being a mediocre QB. Being hard on your own guys for missing assignments or running the wrong route or what have you is one thing. But there is a world of difference between yelling at teammates because they are not practicing hard enough or making mental errors, and ridiculing practice squad players who picked you off a couple of times in practice.

86spike · Oct 5, 2015

Is Campbell now the most jacked head coach in the NFL?

Dude is in great shape by the looks of his shoulders in the press conference.

Marciano490 · Oct 5, 2015

86spike said:
Is Campbell now the most jacked head coach in the NFL?

Dude is in great shape by the looks of his shoulders in the press conference.

He's no Mike Tice; couldn't pay me enough to mess with that guy.

Jed Zeppelin · Oct 5, 2015

Ralphwiggum said:
Maybe the incident with the practice squad players didn't happen the way it was laid out in that article, but if it did happen then apparently Tanny is a fucking dick on top of being a mediocre QB. Being hard on your own guys for missing assignments or running the wrong route or what have you is one thing. But there is a world of difference between yelling at teammates because they are not practicing hard enough or making mental errors, and ridiculing practice squad players who picked you off a couple of times in practice.

The one guy in the world who saw "Rudy" and sympathized with Vince Vaughn's character.

86spike · Oct 5, 2015

Marciano490 said:
He's no Mike Tice; couldn't pay me enough to mess with that guy.

current head coaches

Al Zarilla · Oct 5, 2015

Campbell on ESPN saying something like "there's a fine line between clean play and dirty play. We're gonna walk the line. Not saying we're going to play dirty, but we'll be on the line." Then said something like every body buys into this, or else. dolphins just went from soft (Trey Wingo interpretation of what Campbell was implying they were under Philbin) to (ordered to be) borderline dirty. Look out.

Al Zarilla · Oct 5, 2015

sodenj5 said:
The hilarious thing is they spent 3 years purging their roster of these types of guys. I'm pretty confident Suh won't need any instruction on how to ratchet up the intensity.

You mean they purged guys who wouldn't lose sleep over playing like Suh, I assume.

Shelterdog · Oct 5, 2015

sodenj5 said:
The hilarious thing is they spent 3 years purging their roster of these types of guys. I'm pretty confident Suh won't need any instruction on how to ratchet up the intensity.

Suh has generally played hard in games but I wouldn't be thrilled to have a guy wearing sneakers instead of cleats to practice if I were you.

It's nice enough to say you want to play very physically but unless you have the bodies it just isn't happening.

Trlicek's Whip · Oct 5, 2015

Al Zarilla said:
Campbell on ESPN saying something like "there's a fine line between clean play and dirty play. We're gonna walk the line. Not saying we're going to play dirty, but we'll be on the line." Then said something like every body buys into this, or else. dolphins just went from soft (Trey Wingo interpretation of what Campbell was implying they were under Philbin) to (ordered to be) borderline dirty. Look out.

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