2015 Jets: Back on Track

DJnVa · Aug 17, 2015

Brandon Marshall says that Smith did not instigate, and did not put his finger in IK's face.

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_/id/13455252/new-york-jets-wr-brandon-marshall-says-qb-geno-smith-instigator-fight-ik-enemkpali

"Did he put his finger in his face? No, he didn't," Marshall said on Mike & Mike on ESPN Radio. "Geno Smith, he didn't do anything wrong that day. It's just an unfortunate situation.

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Marshall told Fox Sports that Smith "did everything the right way" on that fateful day in the locker room.

RedOctober3829 · Aug 18, 2015

Manish Mehta ‏@MMehtaNYDN 1m1 minute ago
Maccagnan intimates that Geno Smith will miss at least the first four games of the regular season. #nyj

Koufax · Aug 18, 2015

Sure, Smith did everything the right way. He blew off his commitment to his lower-paid teammate and stiffed him for the air fare, but did it "the right way," That makes it all good.

Corsi · Aug 20, 2015

Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 4m4 minutes ago
Jets' Oday Aboushi has been suspended for first game of regular season for violating the NFL Policy and Program for Substances of Abuse.

Mugsy's Jock · Aug 21, 2015

Jets look miserable in early moments of the preseason game at home against the Falcons.

Offense incapable of doing much beyond 2-yard passes to Ivory. Defense surrenders a long play on a pass in the flat to a fullback (Coples gets lost), then a DPI on Revis in the end zone sets up a short plunge.

Second drive sees Jets go three-and-out, then a long Hester punt return puts the Falcons in the end zone two plays later.

I forgot how much I enjoyed watching the Jets. [With apologies to Fitzy.]

RedOctober3829 · Aug 21, 2015

Yea they look awful especially on offense. 4 possessions by the first team and 4 punts. Their line is horrible. Atlanta's defense isn't even that good, either.

tims4wins · Aug 21, 2015

Isn't even that good? They were 32nd in total defense last year. AKA dead last.

Super Nomario · Aug 21, 2015

Mugsys Jock said:
I forgot how much I enjoyed watching the Jets. [With apologies to Fitzy.]

Why apologize to Fitzy? He stinks, too.

Mugsy's Jock · Aug 21, 2015

Super Nomario said:
Why apologize to Fitzy? He stinks, too.

I'm a Fitzy fan, going back to his college days. One of my favorite players in the NFL... which leaves me feeling conflicted seeing him wear that uniform.

But yeah, his play was less than inspiring. Completed plenty of two-yard passes.

thehitcat · Aug 21, 2015

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O/U for "Free Bryce Petty" chant at the Meadowlands (um, MetLife): 3.5

Games or quarters. If you are thinking quarters we're on the same page.

RedOctober3829 · Aug 22, 2015

Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 21m21 minutes ago
Three Jets - WR Jeremy Kerley, RB Daryl Richardson and S Durell Eskridge - suffered concussions during Friday night game vs. Falcons.

JohnnyTheBone · Aug 22, 2015

RedOctober3829 said:
Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 21m21 minutes ago
Three Jets - WR Jeremy Kerley, RB Daryl Richardson and S Durell Eskridge - suffered concussions during Friday night game vs. Falcons

Three more guys get their brains scrambled, just another day in the NFL. Erik Kramer, oft-concussed during his NFL career, shoots himself.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-erik-kramer-shot-met-0822-20150821-story.html

I haven't heard much mention of Kramer. He's only a player, and one more is (almost) gone. The NFL is delighted that everyone is talking about disputed inflation levels in footballs, and the accompanying pig circus surrounding it. I'd say it's Machiavellian, but the dipshits running things aren't smart enough to manufacture this themselves. They bumblefucked into it, then opportunistically exploited it beyond proportion to help distract from the concussions and suicides. I feel filthy paying attention to this league.

caminante11 · Aug 26, 2015

Great article on Football Outsiders on how Fitzpatrick is unlikely to be better than Geno Smith:

Fitzpatrick continues to get opportunities in the NFL, even if just as a backup, because of how he fails. How you fail as a quarterback in the NFL is very important to coaches. If you stick to the design of the play and play from the pocket but simply can't execute the way you need to, you are much more likely to hang around a team over a player who stands out more as an individual but relies more on his creativity than the coach's creativity. Furthermore, if you have consistent subtle failures instead of less regular major failures, you will be viewed more favorably from a distance. That is where Fitzpatrick falls.

Tony C · Aug 26, 2015

I love this graph

Fitzpatrick is one of the least intelligent quarterbacks to have seen the field during the regular season over recent years. His Harvard education, though often pointed to, carries little applicable value. Not until Harvard revamps its class structure to let students knock each other out while trying to read a blackboard with NFL coverages on it from 20 yards away will any form of that academic education become relevant to being an effective quarterback. What is relevant is what Fitzpatrick has repeatedly done throughout his career: make bad decisions on the field

If there's anything that irritates me it's tv announcers pontificating about someone's intelligence because they went to some Ivy or other top rated college. One, it totally disrespects that sorts of intelligence that actually do matter when playing a sport...quite a bit different than academic intelligence. Two, it buys into some myth that kids at those colleges are some sort of higher species, when for the most part they just have some sort of privilege into which they were born. Plenty of idiots at Ivies and elsewhere.

RedOctober3829 · Aug 31, 2015

Kimberley A. Martin ‏@KMart_LI 36s37 seconds ago
Today was Sheldon Richardson's arraignment in Missouri. St. Charles County Courthouse confirmed his hearing has been continued to Oct. 5

Myt1 · Aug 31, 2015

Tony C said:
I love this graph

If there's anything that irritates me it's tv announcers pontificating about someone's intelligence because they went to some Ivy or other top rated college. One, it totally disrespects that sorts of intelligence that actually do matter when playing a sport...quite a bit different than academic intelligence. Two, it buys into some myth that kids at those colleges are some sort of higher species, when for the most part they just have some sort of privilege into which they were born. Plenty of idiots at Ivies and elsewhere.

Fitzpatrick scored a 48 on the Wonderlic. I think he's a pretty lousy example for your rant.

Super Nomario · Aug 31, 2015

Myt1 said:
Fitzpatrick scored a 48 on the Wonderlic. I think he's a pretty lousy example for your rant.

He doesn't play like he scored a 48 on the Wonderlic. He might be book smart, but he's pretty football dumb.

soxfan121 · Aug 31, 2015

Myt1 said:
Fitzpatrick scored a 48 on the Wonderlic. I think he's a pretty lousy example for your rant.

Never has there been a better example of book smarts vs. street smarts.

Otis Foster · Aug 31, 2015

Tony C said:
I love this graph

If there's anything that irritates me it's tv announcers pontificating about someone's intelligence because they went to some Ivy or other top rated college. One, it totally disrespects that sorts of intelligence that actually do matter when playing a sport...quite a bit different than academic intelligence. Two, it buys into some myth that kids at those colleges are some sort of higher species, when for the most part they just have some sort of privilege into which they were born. Plenty of idiots at Ivies and elsewhere.

Glad you got that off your chest. Now go take the time to examine the actual demographics at these school. I'm willing to bet a pretty good paycheck that they do more in the way of breaching traditional class and racial barriers than your average football mill.

Myt1 · Aug 31, 2015

Super Nomario said:
He doesn't play like he scored a 48 on the Wonderlic. He might be book smart, but he's pretty football dumb.

I thought it was pretty clear that I was referring to the "idiot" portion of the rant. :unsure:

There are plenty of idiots and people who get in because of some consideration other than intelligence at Ivies. Fitzpatrick's sort of a weird target though.

Super Nomario · Aug 31, 2015

Myt1 said:
I thought it was pretty clear that I was referring to the "idiot" portion of the rant.

Sorry, you were pretty clear.

Myt1 said:
There are plenty of idiots and people who get in because of some consideration other than intelligence at Ivies. Fitzpatrick's sort of a weird target though.

I agree with all this. I think the first half of Tony C's rant has merit in this case.

Tony C · Aug 31, 2015

Myt1 said:
I thought it was pretty clear that I was referring to the "idiot" portion of the rant.

There are plenty of idiots and people who get in because of some consideration other than intelligence at Ivies. Fitzpatrick's sort of a weird target though.

Fitzpatrick wasn't the target of my rant. Announcers who assume an ivy league pedigree=intelligence were the targets. Certainly there are lots of smarties at Ivies, too, quite possible that he was/is one of them. The apt point about his lack of football smarts makes my first point, in any case.

Mugsy's Jock · Aug 31, 2015

Tony C said:
Fitzpatrick wasn't the target of my rant. Announcers who assume an ivy league pedigree=intelligence were the targets. Certainly there are lots of smarties at Ivies, too, quite possible that he was/is one of them. The apt point about his lack of football smarts makes my first point, in any case.

My college roommate at Harvard played 9 years in the NHL, some of which were pretty good. Great guy, big heart, hard worker, loved hockey to the end of the world -- but not hardly a Nobel Prize candidate.

Every time I saw him play on TV, some announcer would cite his Harvard education and describe him as a "Professor of the locker room" or some such. Which was patently hysterical.

Edit: But yeah, Fitzy's not that guy. He's legit.

Edit #2: And I wouldn't get taught generalizing in the other direction either -- my old roommate may not have been valedictorian material (by which I mean not giving the speech, but knowing how to spell "valedictorian"), but I' d still take him in a game of Boggle against some player who went straight from home-schooling into juniors. Or anybody from Yale.

Myt1 · Aug 31, 2015

Yeah, "lever" may have been a better term than "target." Hugs and hand pounds.

dbn · Aug 31, 2015

I hate to add to thread derailment, and this isn't in response to anyone's post, but I want to add something about "smarts". I think that, in sports, much more important than how well you think is how fast you think. I can do general relativity using tensor calculus, so I'm fairly confident that I could break down an opposing defense from the perspective of a QB; I'm 100% sure that I could not do it before getting (perhaps literally) killed by the pass rush.

Corsi · Sep 1, 2015

Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet 26s26 seconds ago
The #Jets placed TE Jace Amaro (shoulder) on season-ending Injured Reserve.

RIrooter09 · Sep 1, 2015

SeoulSoxFan said:
Random thought: Jets should call up the 49ers and see if they're willing to part Vernon Davis.

Niners are going nowhere, and Davis played for Roman from 2011 through 2014.

Isn't Roman the Bills' offensive coordinator?

kenneycb · Sep 3, 2015

Mugsys Jock said:
My college roommate at Harvard played 9 years in the NHL, some of which were pretty good. Great guy, big heart, hard worker, loved hockey to the end of the world -- but not hardly a Nobel Prize candidate.

Every time I saw him play on TV, some announcer would cite his Harvard education and describe him as a "Professor of the locker room" or some such. Which was patently hysterical.

Edit: But yeah, Fitzy's not that guy. He's legit.

Edit #2: And I wouldn't get taught generalizing in the other direction either -- my old roommate may not have been valedictorian material (by which I mean not giving the speech, but knowing how to spell "valedictorian"), but I' d still take him in a game of Boggle against some player who went straight from home-schooling into juniors. Or anybody from Yale.

To build off this (and sorry about taking it in a hockey direction), hearing from a relatively smart and well adjusted NHL guy that went through the most recent lockout, the Ivy guys were the ones that spoke up the most because they knew their shit and understood what they were doing. The hilarious part is that it was a goon squad of fourth liners like Parros and Westgarth speaking up. And everyone from the NHLPA side respected their opinions. Westgarth was basically blacklisted for a few months even though he was a very serviceable fourth liner. Of course he went to Dartmouth for school and turned into a hockey player so everyone has a journey.

Nothing to really do with the above but loved hearing about some inside baseball stuff and figured some others would enjoy.

Red Right Ankle · Sep 3, 2015

He went to Dartmouth and turned into a goon. That's a pretty predictable path. [/Mr. Burns]

Shelterdog · Sep 5, 2015

I've got to say I'm excited for this season.

I listen to the Jets Kingdom podcast and they're hyped for this season. They are convinced that this will be the best Jets offense in at least six years. (Essentially Gailey has a system that's close to unstoppable with a smart quarterback because it always gets one on one matchups somewhere and since Fitzy is so smart he'll recognize those matchups, plus the oline is great and the running attack is great).

I truly believe this will be a godawful offense (Fitzpatrick might have gone to Harvard but he's a bad decision maker, the skill players are pretty mediocre, and the line wasn't great last year and doesn't look to be much better this year) so watching everything they love turn to ash will be exquisite.
Can't wait!

simplyeric · Sep 5, 2015

TheStoryofYourRedRightAnkle said:
He went to Dartmouth and turned into a goon. That's a pretty predictable path. [/Mr. Burns]

I'd appreciate you not referring to clown college in that manner.
[/Cecil...but not really]

RedOctober3829 · Sep 9, 2015

Revis must have been hanging out with John Henry during his time in New England. Headphones for everybody!!

https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/641708577753853953

Devizier · Sep 9, 2015

Beats headphones are garbage, so Bose is a better choice.

Red Right Ankle · Sep 10, 2015

Bose being a Framingham company, I assume that Belichick has had them all bugged and/or has had Bose install a special chip that subliminally plays the phrase, "Buttfumble," when they are listening.

johnmd20 · Sep 10, 2015

Devizier said:
Beats headphones are garbage, so Bose is a better choice.

The Powerbeats2 are pretty damn good, however. But, in general, I am not a fan of the Beats speakers. The pills are atrocious in every way.

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