BC waving at mediocrity from offshore hoping for a pickup. They are drowning in suck.
2016 Boston College Football: Ever to Excel
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Not to cast aspersions, because BC is a fine school, but Northwestern is decidedly better academically than BC. Ranked #12 in US News; BC at 30. But forget that metric, I'm going through the college thing right now with my oldest son and he has great college advisors at his school. For those in the know, the Naviance statistics for NW are far far superior to BC. Wake Forest is probably the best comp.
http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities
Did anyone else get the "No Needham Parking for the year" email yesterday? Had that been previously announced, or did it just come out of the blue? I haven't bought any tickets yet for games this year but I'm wondering if people were told about this when they did buy tickets, either season tix or single games.
First I heard about it anywhere was that email. Not surprised the athletic department forgot to mention it until now.
Losing to UMass while Gresh is calling the game is a double nut punch.
26-7 with 3:30 to go
What a rout
Even with a smaller enrollment and tougher admission standards, BC is still better than Umass in, at least, football, soccer (both genders) ice hockey (both genders) and field hockey.
What a rout
Even with a smaller enrollment and tougher admission standards, BC is still better than Umass in, at least, football, soccer (both genders) ice hockey (both genders) and field hockey.
Bernie, great post over on outsider, I'd reply there but can't remember which of 175 passwords I use to log in...
Re: Mass Aggie game, I'm in Yarmouth getting ready to play in old man softball tournament game and trying to follow on twitta when the Aggies score, my usual response Shit, guy beside me goes what happened, I said UMass up 7-0, he smiles and says he is Aggie '77. I just shake my head and say I'm not getting any calls at 1st today am I? He just laughed and we shook hands, he was the umpire working the bases.
Re: Mass Aggie game, I'm in Yarmouth getting ready to play in old man softball tournament game and trying to follow on twitta when the Aggies score, my usual response Shit, guy beside me goes what happened, I said UMass up 7-0, he smiles and says he is Aggie '77. I just shake my head and say I'm not getting any calls at 1st today am I? He just laughed and we shook hands, he was the umpire working the bases.
His username has bernie in it in some form. Forget exactly.
Agreed on the nuclear enema.
Hey fellas. The posting name is westcoastbernie as I live in CA. Basically posted on future scheduling and "coach search". Similar stuff to what we talk about over here.
I thought they would come down to Blacksburg and go toe to toe. Being totally outplayed and, what else, out coached. Don't know what else to say at this point.
Unfortunately the program is going nowhere with the Dazzler and he will be around here for at least 2 more years, despite what the Outsider guys think. No way they are going to pay $14-16m in severance fees and coaching salaries for this sorry program over the next 4 years. When you add up the Salary they owe Daz and the fact they would have to pay a new HC and staff, all the while playing a crap OOC schedule and still being 3 years away from being relevant, that makes no business sense.
Very depressing to watch this.
I thought they would come down to Blacksburg and go toe to toe. Being totally outplayed and, what else, out coached. Don't know what else to say at this point.
Unfortunately the program is going nowhere with the Dazzler and he will be around here for at least 2 more years, despite what the Outsider guys think. No way they are going to pay $14-16m in severance fees and coaching salaries for this sorry program over the next 4 years. When you add up the Salary they owe Daz and the fact they would have to pay a new HC and staff, all the while playing a crap OOC schedule and still being 3 years away from being relevant, that makes no business sense.
Very depressing to watch this.
Bernie - there's a slightly different way to look at it.
I absolutely know of 250K in donations not given to the school this year because of the athletic program. That's in a very, very small sample of people. If Leahy believes they are losing more than 2M in donations over this mess (and it's impossible because they aren't), he'll eat what he has to.
Now, I am not privy to the thinking internally at all, but I think the idea that they will not eat salary is not an absolute.
This is purely based on donations and revenue. The wins and losses are irrelevant.
I absolutely know of 250K in donations not given to the school this year because of the athletic program. That's in a very, very small sample of people. If Leahy believes they are losing more than 2M in donations over this mess (and it's impossible because they aren't), he'll eat what he has to.
Now, I am not privy to the thinking internally at all, but I think the idea that they will not eat salary is not an absolute.
This is purely based on donations and revenue. The wins and losses are irrelevant.
From a Leahy perspective, I can see him placing the donations point more on Bates, who will probably hold a town hall to ask BC which school he should go to next.
I get killed on EA for being "too negative" but I saw this shit a mile away with Daz. Even during the "glory years" of 7 win seasons, he pissed away so many games with his chickenshit and downright dumb management. The only way for BC to succeed is to hire a young coach who needs an opportunity and deal with the lumps that come with inexperience. It's much better than dealing with a moronic mouth breathing gym teacher like our current shithead.
Had he not gotten the extension in 2014 or just a 2 yr extension I think they might deep six Bates and Daz in one fell swoop. Given the AD situation (his contract up in 13 months) and the length of Daz's deal I'm not sure things are all that clear, either way.
But I agree donations surely are taking a hit. This program is dead in the water, losing donations, bad facilities, a president who is not an athletics guy and an AD who is incapable of scheduling reasonable and targeted OOC schedules. Look they will never make the playoffs. Never mind winning the ACC. They have to leap frog FSU, Lou, and Clemson in their own division.
So if the chance to get into the playoff is basically a pipe dream, how do you build and market a football program? I'm sure there are a number of ways and we can debate that but if I were the AD/President I would go old school. I would do what Bill Flynn did and that is play anyone anywhere and sell the program with things like showing a recruit a great school, a P5 conference base schedule and the fact they will be playing in stadiums such as the big house, the horseshoe, the farm, the coliseum, Austin, etc. You know what I mean. Putting out an inferior product and then playing Howard, Buffalo, Wagner and the like you're in a death spiral.
If they really had some stones they would fire Daz when the plane lands tonight. They would appoint Barry Gallup interim HC for the balance of the year and start the search right now. Much like USC did out here with Lane Kiffin a few years ago. The canned him at the airport when the plan landed. They are still trying to find their way in Trojan Land so hopefully those results would be different. But BC doesn't have those stones and they will go forward with this crap. I'm listening to the game on my iPhone and Mutryn is all but saying this is a coaching issue.
When you are 5-11 in one possession games and your biggest win in 2 years is Northern Illinois and you are 0-10 in conference with your teams and 0-11 (where have I seen that record before) against the P5 then you aren't getting it done. It's time to pull the plug.
I thought he would be successful. Boy was I wrong.
But I agree donations surely are taking a hit. This program is dead in the water, losing donations, bad facilities, a president who is not an athletics guy and an AD who is incapable of scheduling reasonable and targeted OOC schedules. Look they will never make the playoffs. Never mind winning the ACC. They have to leap frog FSU, Lou, and Clemson in their own division.
So if the chance to get into the playoff is basically a pipe dream, how do you build and market a football program? I'm sure there are a number of ways and we can debate that but if I were the AD/President I would go old school. I would do what Bill Flynn did and that is play anyone anywhere and sell the program with things like showing a recruit a great school, a P5 conference base schedule and the fact they will be playing in stadiums such as the big house, the horseshoe, the farm, the coliseum, Austin, etc. You know what I mean. Putting out an inferior product and then playing Howard, Buffalo, Wagner and the like you're in a death spiral.
If they really had some stones they would fire Daz when the plane lands tonight. They would appoint Barry Gallup interim HC for the balance of the year and start the search right now. Much like USC did out here with Lane Kiffin a few years ago. The canned him at the airport when the plan landed. They are still trying to find their way in Trojan Land so hopefully those results would be different. But BC doesn't have those stones and they will go forward with this crap. I'm listening to the game on my iPhone and Mutryn is all but saying this is a coaching issue.
When you are 5-11 in one possession games and your biggest win in 2 years is Northern Illinois and you are 0-10 in conference with your teams and 0-11 (where have I seen that record before) against the P5 then you aren't getting it done. It's time to pull the plug.
I thought he would be successful. Boy was I wrong.
I don't know if I want us to beat Syracuse or just go winless for two years in a row so it forces Leahy's hands.
The USC game was 2 years ago. Funny enough, it was the only game I've been to in the last two years. So maybe I'll bring some good luck now I'm back in Boston. But probably not.
I would agree that the right move would be to fire him tonight. This is an absolute embarrassment.
I feel for Towles. I know he isn't that good and is one of the problems on the team, but someone sold him a big fat lie to convince him to come to BC.
Honestly I look at this game today. I really don't think there is a huge talent gap between BC and VT. And really VT is basically trying to run the same offense BC is trying to run in theory. Yet VT's head coach has been able to come in and have his team execute it like everyone has been in the program for years, and BC basically comes out every game like it is the first game they have ever played in this offense.
The big difference is of course VT is playing the offense with a level of aggression and tempo. BC is playing in fear. I've never seen a coach so afraid of having his team on offense. TO the point where he talked about how he wanted his defense on the field at the end of the GT game.
The fear is he manages to sneak out 2 ACC wins and get to 6 wins and a bowl, and thus BC keeps him for yet another year where he no doubt promises to make changes, and we trot an offense out next year with Brown starting his first game and the excuse we are starting a redshirt freshman QB and are too young to compete
I feel for Towles. I know he isn't that good and is one of the problems on the team, but someone sold him a big fat lie to convince him to come to BC.
Honestly I look at this game today. I really don't think there is a huge talent gap between BC and VT. And really VT is basically trying to run the same offense BC is trying to run in theory. Yet VT's head coach has been able to come in and have his team execute it like everyone has been in the program for years, and BC basically comes out every game like it is the first game they have ever played in this offense.
The big difference is of course VT is playing the offense with a level of aggression and tempo. BC is playing in fear. I've never seen a coach so afraid of having his team on offense. TO the point where he talked about how he wanted his defense on the field at the end of the GT game.
The fear is he manages to sneak out 2 ACC wins and get to 6 wins and a bowl, and thus BC keeps him for yet another year where he no doubt promises to make changes, and we trot an offense out next year with Brown starting his first game and the excuse we are starting a redshirt freshman QB and are too young to compete
Kenney. Correct on USC. I was thinking last season and into this. And to give him his due that was a huge win but he did nothing with it. In fact he talked of dumbing down the schedule after that. Goes to what Big Mike was alluding to.
Pathetic coach.
Pathetic coach.
The USC was the one game in the Daz era where BC played modern football. It was as if they felt they had nothing to lose. So they came out and played free and easy on offense the whole game, running trick plays, playing with aggression and tempo. try
Never played that offense again. And now it is just absolutely painful to watch this team try to execute even the most basic play
Never played that offense again. And now it is just absolutely painful to watch this team try to execute even the most basic play
Played in golf league field day today and dvr'd the game...already deleted
The post of Bernie's I referred to was in the coaching search thread in outsider.
i've said over and over that my biggest fear of Leahy was coming from no football Marquette he'd de-emphasize it and we'd be sitting on a 44k white elephant of a stadium drawing 10k, much like the 'Cross did. It's fucking come true with his empty fucking suit Bates at his side,sports has gone right down the shitter (other then hockey thank god). You all know where I work, big sponsor of BC Sports, I can get fist fulls of tickets if I needed them. WE CANT GIVE THE FUCKING THINGS AWAY except Clemson. I buy one ticket in the upper endzone just to assure I'll have a seat for ND and to have 'skin in the game'. And I do it the same way every year, I go into Conte, pay cash money for my one ticket just before start of season. I must have gotten 20 calls over the summer and emails to see if I was coming back, FOR ONE FUCKING $99 TICKET.
That is how far we've fallen. I can't wait to see the crowd next week vs what ever the fuck a Wagner is. It's gonna be ugly.
The post of Bernie's I referred to was in the coaching search thread in outsider.
i've said over and over that my biggest fear of Leahy was coming from no football Marquette he'd de-emphasize it and we'd be sitting on a 44k white elephant of a stadium drawing 10k, much like the 'Cross did. It's fucking come true with his empty fucking suit Bates at his side,sports has gone right down the shitter (other then hockey thank god). You all know where I work, big sponsor of BC Sports, I can get fist fulls of tickets if I needed them. WE CANT GIVE THE FUCKING THINGS AWAY except Clemson. I buy one ticket in the upper endzone just to assure I'll have a seat for ND and to have 'skin in the game'. And I do it the same way every year, I go into Conte, pay cash money for my one ticket just before start of season. I must have gotten 20 calls over the summer and emails to see if I was coming back, FOR ONE FUCKING $99 TICKET.
That is how far we've fallen. I can't wait to see the crowd next week vs what ever the fuck a Wagner is. It's gonna be ugly.
Guys, I'm fired up for the Uconn/BC game in November. Two great teams, playing a historic rivalry in a great venue for cfb. Plus, I wanted more Pasqualoni and Addazio in my life (native of Cheshire CT and all).
Should be epic. Diaco game management vs Addazio game management. Two genius offensive coordinators. Two rabid fan bases.
Honestly, they should just ban college football in the northeast. It's terrible and no one cares
Should be epic. Diaco game management vs Addazio game management. Two genius offensive coordinators. Two rabid fan bases.
Honestly, they should just ban college football in the northeast. It's terrible and no one cares
Heck depending on whether BC has stolen an ACC game by then you might have BC fans rooting for UConn just so it can force the administration to fire the loser.
I think there should be a petition started whereby fans demand both schools exchange coaching staffs for that game.
The average TV revenue payout to each ACC school for '15-'16 was over $26 million. BC can absolutely fire this staff and hire a new one as they have the money to do so.
According to "unreliable" sources, the ACC package covers coaches' salaries and scholarships. Last year the scholarships amounted to $18M. That leaves $8M for coaches salaries and what we will call "infrastructure". Dazzler gets $2.3M and I will guess the balance of the staff collectively gets about $1.5M+/-. These guys are all his friends at this point, especially the coordinators and Pasqualoni. I'm sure they have 3 year contracts or something in that range. If they lower the boom on Daz, Pasqualoni, Reid and maybe Loefler will hang up the coaching whistle and take a nice parachute of about $1M each for the balance of their contracts. Therefore you are carrying about $3M per year on that $8M coaching budget for the next 3 years. That reduces your budget to $5M. Point is, they can afford it, but its a big chunk of change that is coming out of the budget and it may handcuff the new coaching staff for a period of time longer than we really want. . Considering that Bates will be gone in a year, Leahy will be 70 in 2 years and may be "retired" by the Jesuits then (given that Monan retired as BC pres at age 70) this whole thing may just sort of fall into place on its own. At that point you will have a new AD, perhaps a new President and Dazzler will only be owed $4.6M on his contract. You also could control, the assistants by not giving them more than 2 year deals for the next couple of seasons.
The $64,000 question is the buyout clause on Daz's contract. He may be signed until 2020 but his buyout could be manageable. Or, it could be 95% of the full salary through 2020. Who knows. I certainly believe we are dumb enough to offer him a high buyout figure.
Another factor into this is that they won't have to pay all of the money owed up front once they fire him. Charlie Weis got paid yearly when he was fired from Kansas and ND(talk about a guy who made out like a bandit!). Yes, it's a lot of money owed but they can spread out the payments so they aren't hamstrung in one year.
You're right about Weis. He just rolled off teh ND payroll last December and according to news reports the dude got $19M in a buyout out of that deal, not to mention his salary while he was the actual coach. Plus he got a buyout from Kansas as well. Between him and Dazzler and Spaz maybe I should have been a gym teacher and bullshitted my way through the coaching fraternity. 3 friggin millionaires who did nothing to deserve any of that money. Unreal.
http://www.businessinsider.com/charlie-weis-notre-dame-highest-paid-employee-fired-six-years-ago-2016-5
Daz did win a couple of state championships with my HS alma mater, and was the coach for about half of its state record winning streak.
That's worth a few grand, right?
That's worth a few grand, right?
That was his high water mark.....being ahigh school football coach, and gym teacher. Give him credit for parlaying that into becoming a millionaire. But that is what he is....a glorified high school coach.