Wow, a three year contract. That is pretty unbelievable given the circumstances. Of course, it's just money.
2021-2022 Yankees Offseason Discussion
- Thread starter jon abbey
- Start date
View: https://twitter.com/MaxTGoodman/status/1450448260351541255?s=20
I don’t think you even believe that.
View: https://twitter.com/Yankees/status/1450446718634442758
I don’t think you even believe that.
View: https://twitter.com/Yankees/status/1450446718634442758
I'm surprised it is three years. I don't think the extra year(s) will save him if next season is a disaster.
Not sure why Cashman is trolling Abbey though.
Not sure why Cashman is trolling Abbey though.
Cashman has obviously struck a deal with my wife, they’re hoping this will help cut into my stacks of unread books all over our place.
We’ve gone full 180 from Dick Howser being fired after a 103 win season in 1980. Bizarro world.
I don’t think this is as bad as Yankees fans - like my brother, who has wanted Boone gone for a while - perceive, but I do not understand keeping him while overhauling the staff around him and, presumably, selecting replacements without Boone’s input.
That is the very point the media "aka front office mouthpieces" have been making, which is that it was the coaches around him dragging his talent and the team down and underperformance and poor in-game management aren't due to Boone himself. If they are certain of that and they believe the clubhouse is fully behind Boone, then shoot, go for it. I still don't understand 3 years.
It is not catastrophic, but it could not be more clear that he is not good at the on field managing part of his job. Maybe NY can work around that but it is absurd that they have decided that is the best way to proceed.
A quick look at the history of Yankee managers and it looks like every single one ever has been white, just because I haven't seen anyone else write this anywhere.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_New_York_Yankees_managers
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_New_York_Yankees_managers
Just to play devil's advocate, the team has won 100, 103 and 91 games under his management (not including 2020) and made the playoffs all 4 years. That's pretty good. Also, the Shildt firing shows how much GMs value an on-field manager they get along with and with whom they are philosophically aligned.
Also, 3 years is the minimum you can do to avoid being back in the "lame-duck year" conversation next off-season.
Not the most rousing of defenses, I'll admit.
Also, 3 years is the minimum you can do to avoid being back in the "lame-duck year" conversation next off-season.
Not the most rousing of defenses, I'll admit.
Yeah, this is true. But when the team has only had three managers in the last 25 years, I think it is hard to put much weight on it as a possible issue.
As far as Boone goes, as with so many other things in this organization, in Cashman I trust.
Him and Odor both, get those guys off the roster. It's a great sign for a manager when you need to keep guys on the roster who can no longer play (admittedly Gardner was solid down the stretch after a terrible first four months or so) because you need the help in the clubhouse.
The Yankees are going to be very good next year, no matter who manages them. Same thing was true in 1996. You think Joe Torre turned that club around? You build teams over a five-year time frame and hope to cash in at some point.
Boone is no dumber than Torre but Joe had Don Zimmer, a solid game strategist. Torre handled the pitching changes because he was a catcher and knew something about pitchers. Plus, he had Mel Stottlemyre to do all the hard work.
The lesson from the Torre years is put smart coaches around your p.r.-conscious manager. Boone needs a lot of help.
Boone is no dumber than Torre but Joe had Don Zimmer, a solid game strategist. Torre handled the pitching changes because he was a catcher and knew something about pitchers. Plus, he had Mel Stottlemyre to do all the hard work.
The lesson from the Torre years is put smart coaches around your p.r.-conscious manager. Boone needs a lot of help.
I don’t ever come here because I don’t want to be a troll. But my wife is a Yankees fan and she is furious. Less that Boone is staying in isolation but more generally about the fact that the Cashman/Boone pair is going to continue to run the show unchanged
Cashman has the keys to the kingdom but I think behind the scenes, he knows this offseason is the most important of his career.
Expect spending. If they're under the luxury tax again next year, you won't find me impressed with the offseason under almost any circumstance outside of cleaning house and doing an offensive rebuild. My gut tells me they stay under the $250m cap (for drafting purposes) but have no issue exceeding the $210 (probably more after CBA).
Expect spending. If they're under the luxury tax again next year, you won't find me impressed with the offseason under almost any circumstance outside of cleaning house and doing an offensive rebuild. My gut tells me they stay under the $250m cap (for drafting purposes) but have no issue exceeding the $210 (probably more after CBA).
No but it will make us feel better after the Red Sox win a world series with probably the worst world series team they've ever had.
Cashman has some pretty big decisions this off-season re resignings/extensions versus possible FA signings. I wonder if ownership gives the go ahead and go full Dodgers and give Cashman carte blanche to compete on equal footing with AL East juggernauts like Tampa.
And I'm only being a little facetious.
And I'm only being a little facetious.
When I think about wanting the Yankees to spend money I think more about filling in around the edges. I want a stronger bench and better depth. And to quit trying to get by with people like Sal Romano and Andrew Velasquez.
In a lot of ways I'm glad Tampa flamed out so quickly. They are becoming a bit like the A's. Fantastic regular season team who can't win the tournament, so maybe attempting to copy their ways is not the solution.
They have a ton of depth, their shitty manager doesn't always use it. They were down seven SPs at one point this summer, and guys kept filling in nicely.
TB's postseason SPs were all rookies as were the top two guys in their lineup (Arozarena/Franco), their real window is just starting to open now.
My point was more the AL East has 4 of the best teams in baseball and no one wants to fiinish 2nd or 3rd behind the Rays and play a 1-game post-season. That may be a motivator for Cashman to get very aggressive this off season .
We've argued the best team or the scariest team in the AL East might have been the BJs. I almost feel sorry for the Os fans.
I'm not surprised at the lack of attention, considering that they employed the first black GM to win a World Series.
Not that I'm above killing the Yanks when they deserve it, but I think this is a function of the longevity of the managers more than anything. More to the point, if Torre had retired earlier, his successor would almost certainly have been Willie Randolph.
Sorry. Just have to quibble with your latest put down of the 2021 Sox. I’ll take any team whose offense is built around X, Devers and JD. They take the heat off everyone. If the Yankees got their kind of timely hitting from their three core hitters, Boston would be golfing right now.
I honestly dont know who Cashman thinks he is fooling with these quotes
View: https://twitter.com/Feinsand/status/1450480349763588096
View: https://twitter.com/Feinsand/status/1450480137959575562
View: https://twitter.com/lindseyadler/status/1450482397565313030
Yea, their offense is above and beyond anything the Yankees have put together because of that trio + Schwarber. Just saying the rest of the team is patched together compared to previous championships that were scary teams.
To Crow's reverse mojo.
The '21 Sox haven't won shit yet, but this team is reminding people of '13, which was a strange mix of non-superstar add-ons (Napoli, Victorino, Gomes) dosed with some good karma.
The '18, '07 and '04 teams were stocked.
fwiw so was the '78 team.
The '21 Sox haven't won shit yet, but this team is reminding people of '13, which was a strange mix of non-superstar add-ons (Napoli, Victorino, Gomes) dosed with some good karma.
The '18, '07 and '04 teams were stocked.
fwiw so was the '78 team.
Yup. Damn shame he couldn't get along with Fergie Jenkins, who he shipped out to Texas after '77, for a bag of balls, or Bill Lee.
The team that beat them is, in a way, attempting to copy their ways. They clearly know something the rest of us don't about the best way to develop pitching talent that others don't see.
Do you all believe in Urshela? Which year is more indicative of his current talent level, 2021 or 2019? DJ doesn't really feel like a problem unless you are playing him at 1B for significant periods of time. The real tragedy of the Yankees current core is Severino's injury history. Fuck the Yankees and all that but I hate seeing a guy with that kind of talent just lose his age 25-27 seasons.
I really like Urshela, but it seems like he and Voit are the ones who have to go if Gleyber is going to be a second baseman. Unless they trade Gleyber and keep Urshela. I suppose that's possible.
I'm sure the various injuries had some impact on his defense, but I'm really not excited by the idea of DJ playing 3B regularly. Spot start when necessary? Sure. But I just don't think he has the arm to play there all the time.
I think Gleyber is probably gone unless the market for him is really soft. Which might be true.
I think Gleyber is probably gone unless the market for him is really soft. Which might be true.
Hard for me to energize to care much this offseason, but soon I will probably start going through position by position with a deeper analysis including minor leaguers, starting with catcher. We will get some insight into NY's thinking there soon when they decide whether or not to protect Sands and Breaux.
The
Yankee have a catching prospect named Breaux?!? (Pronounced Brō?) What a perfect name for a professional athlete.
Yep, 2nd round pick in 2018, 23 HRs in 350 ABs this year between high A and AA.
https://www.milb.com/player/josh-breaux-677007
https://www.milb.com/player/josh-breaux-677007