2021-22 NBA In-Season News/Transactions
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I got a lot of tidbits back then when I was closer to the equipment manager that Pitino brought with him. I don’t recall specifically as it was so long ago but to the best of my recollection there was the office relocation and Red moved from the center of the annual team picture to the side in the back next to the team trainer. There were a few others things I’ve forgotten along the way. The irony in it all is that he told me that Red LOVED Pitino and the way he taught the game.
6-4 combo guard
On-court -3.2
Net on-off -1.9
.539 TS
.300 3FG
Turns 29 in June
I’m sure a lot of teams would be thrilled to have Beal as their Jordan Clarkson-meets-Poole, on a MLE-type deal. It’s weird how the press seems to portray his potential availability as akin to Giannis or KD being on the block. Some combo of a slow news month and the cult of PPG, I assume…
On-court -3.2
Net on-off -1.9
.539 TS
.300 3FG
Turns 29 in June
I’m sure a lot of teams would be thrilled to have Beal as their Jordan Clarkson-meets-Poole, on a MLE-type deal. It’s weird how the press seems to portray his potential availability as akin to Giannis or KD being on the block. Some combo of a slow news month and the cult of PPG, I assume…
I know Slick Rick is hated around here but Pitino is one of the 10 greatest college program builders ever (then eventually destroyer).
Pitino unleashed the pace/3pt attack on the Old Big East that was built around the BIGs at GTown, Cuse, Nova, StJohns.
Remember him (and many northeast college coaches) from my summers at Pocono Invitational Camp and always loved his Ph.D (poor, hungry & driven) approach
I think it's pretty obvious Beal is a cut above those guys unless you think at age 28 his new level of production suddenly fell off a cliff for good. I expect some bounce back.
Having said that, I was never too excited by any Beal deal or maxing him into his 30s. He's a good player, especially on a team that can hide his weaknesses. But he clearly not remotely close to Giannis or KD (or any top 10 player out there).
I would be surprised if Washington got a ton of excess value for him. Could be a nice save face deal for the 76ers as he is a big name, would definitely help them on the court, and also might be attainable. I expect league wide interest in Beal to be modest.
Yeah, I still see internet rumors of things that suggest Philly would have to add another player asset and some future #1s to Ben Simmons to get Beal. And even though I am not a big Simmons fan, I don't see how they are not a 1-1 type swap, especially given Simmons contract security.
Beal may bounce back in a better environment, but I think in general he was overrated, and that was before falling off the cliff this season.
I look at Beal as a Jaylen level player, but older. Basically a guy who is in the discussion for All-Star most years but might not make it, and isn't really in the All-NBA discussion ever. A guy with certain high level areas and clear deficiencies. He's probably a max player, but not a Super Max.
I think the minute WAS signs him to his new deal he becomes a bad contract.
I think the minute WAS signs him to his new deal he becomes a bad contract.
Agree fully that Beal has been overrated and is not an elite player, but he sure would be a sweet fit on Philly. With the 76ers looking good going into the playoffs and Embiid playing out of his mind, it has to be tempting to get Beal cents on the Simmons $.
This is where the rubber meets the road for Morey. If Beal is the best he can do, does he really hold out for the off-season to deal Simmons. I could see his argument for doing so since it's not at all a fair deal (and would be an awesome deal for the Wiz). On the flip, it'd boost the 76ers for the playoffs and not at all certain Morey will do better if he waits for the off-season
Impossible to prove, but my guess is that Morey left the best deal on the table by not engaging in rational negotiations early on in this saga.
This is where the rubber meets the road for Morey. If Beal is the best he can do, does he really hold out for the off-season to deal Simmons. I could see his argument for doing so since it's not at all a fair deal (and would be an awesome deal for the Wiz). On the flip, it'd boost the 76ers for the playoffs and not at all certain Morey will do better if he waits for the off-season
Impossible to prove, but my guess is that Morey left the best deal on the table by not engaging in rational negotiations early on in this saga.
Seems to me that for different reasons, Simmons and Beal have played/manipulated themselves into similar trade values.
Simmons still has more upside due to age but I think both teams would be better off with a clean swap here.
I’ve always had him in the conversation as the greatest college coach the game has seen and certainly one of the, if not the, games greatest innovator. He was dong things with analytics in the 80’s that is commonplace now. It began with Pitino.
I was fortunate to be able to attend a couple Providence practices in the 80’s (by attend I mean watching from an office window overlooking Alumni Hall). They would drill, drill and drill more. It was 3-pointer off movement/screen, up-fake to collapse defense that leads to a lockout 3, a back door cut, or get to the rim for a layup. There were no mid-range or long 2’s allowed. Defensively it was full-court pressure during scrimmages with student/grad assistants on the sidelines with white boards tracking deflections.
Yes agreed. I never felt Beal was viewed as an elite level player but rather one of many making a case to be in that Top 20-30 group where Jaylen also resides.
Yeah Simmons upside is that he's not gonna get worse because of age any time soon, while Beal probably will. And Beal is looking at a huge payday soon from someone, while Ben has years left on his deal.
Kind of surprising that the guy with the historic playoff collapse (who sat out the year so far) has passed the guy who was a pretty efficient 30ppg scorer for the two prior years.
Well, he made All-NBA 3rd team last year, so I wouldn't say he's never in the discussion. But he has fallen off of a cliff this year, and he's injured. I doubt he ever gets back there. I don't want any part of him on a supermax. I'd much rather have Simmons as a player, but I fear he will barely play before he demands a trade again since that's what Klutch clients do.
Would love for Celts to have gotten in on Powell---he'd help. That is just a salary dump isn't it?
I dunno. It looks more to me like the Clippers shaping up their postseason roster for a return of George or George/Kawhi.
Edit: Oh wait you meant from Blazers?
Clippers getting Powell and dumping Bledsoe's money next year seems good.They are basically getting off of bad money and getting good player without giving up anything of value. Hard to see why Portland would do this.
How does that change the fact the Blazers dumped Powell for nothing? Unless they really like Keon.
I am having a hard time seeing any value at all from the Blazers side of things. I mean that’s a horrific trade
They're a tough out even without PG and Kawhi. Add one or both of those guys to the mix, and things could get interesting in the playoffs, especially if PHX isn't at full strength.
Powell has been a binkie of mine, too. I'd love to see him in Boston.
I see the opposite. Lue basically said last night they're out for the year. They probably just wanted some offense until next year
Powell is signed for 4 more years after this so that would be a weird commitment for wanting a few months of offense.
So I like Powell in the right situation but Portland wasn't it. The guy gives back a lot of his offensive production on defense. He will be 29 in three months and is under a pretty fully valued contract for the next four years. I can't imagine there were a ton of teams lining up for Powell given all those factors.
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Yes, pretty much what Blazers get is dumping salary because there's really no asset value to what they got back.
He did but between the lines on his comments about PG were essentially he has improved and hasnt and there is an mri scheduled in 2 weeks that they hope some miracle will happen.
He referenced having "faith over fear" twice when discussing his health. Not a good indicator.
I get it for POR, they get under the tax this year, they save a TON of money long term, which is important because Simons has passed Powell and needs a new deal, and they get a shot at a guy who just went 21st in the draft.
Yeah the Blazers dumped his massive contract and likely signaling the begin or a rebuild.
This is another example of how quickly 1st round picks lose value once you actually convert them into a player perception-wise.
Although Powell/RoCo for Bledsoe/Winslow lottery protected 1st & a 2nd still sounds not great.
But Blazers needed to blow it up. CJ next?
Although Powell/RoCo for Bledsoe/Winslow lottery protected 1st & a 2nd still sounds not great.
But Blazers needed to blow it up. CJ next?
I know this is a touchy subject but guys like Powell and Smart, full paid role players, don’t really bring a great return…..or much at all. They aren’t the type of players teams tend to overpay for with assets.
Again, Powell is a pretty bad defender, is about to turn 29, is fully paid on a brand new four year contract and the Blazers needed to get out from under the tax. Frankly, this deal seems pretty fair all the way around when you look at all of the aspects to it.
I want to see a full teardown tank job at this point. Move Nurk/CJ/Nance for picks/filler, get a good pick & then figure out Lillard in the off-season.
Seems like most of the 30-something superstars in the league (Kawhi, PG, Steph, Klay, Dray, LeBron, KD, Harden, Dame e.g.) are somewhere between diminished, banged up, and broken right now. Weirdly, CP3, who looked like the first of them headed into his decline phase, and turns 37 in a few months, has been the most durable and reliable of the bunch this season (or maybe 1a/1b with Steph, knocking wood).
Thunder officially under the salary cap today! The team has about $33.7MM in cap room and remains $23.7MM below the league’s minimum salary floor for ’21/22. Salary dumps are welcome! Call Sam at 1-405-YUR-PIXX.
Five bold-ish predictions for 2022 NBA trade deadline
John Collins for Marcus Smart, Josh Richardson, and a FRP.
Seems like a lot for the Celtics to be giving up, IMHO, and I like Collins' fit on the C's.
BTW, would Golden State be interested in Enes Freedom for some big man depth? Not for anything of value, I'm just wondering as a get under the cap move for the Celtics.
John Collins for Marcus Smart, Josh Richardson, and a FRP.
Seems like a lot for the Celtics to be giving up, IMHO, and I like Collins' fit on the C's.
BTW, would Golden State be interested in Enes Freedom for some big man depth? Not for anything of value, I'm just wondering as a get under the cap move for the Celtics.
"With the NBA trade deadline just days away on Feb. 10, the 76ers are expected to pursue Harden in the coming days and the Nets are believed to be open to discussing a deal, sources with knowledge of the situation tell The Athletic. There’s expectation that both the 76ers and Nets will engage in dialogue on a deal around Simmons for Harden, multiple sources say, with Philadelphia holding a chest of role players in Seth Curry, Tyrese Maxey and Matisse Thybulle that could sweeten a potential package. Still, there’s no urgency for Nets officials, who have had the steadfast belief that the current core, as is, has the means necessary for a championship. However, it’s believed that an opening exists should an offer elevate the team and make the roster more well-rounded as the franchise pursues a championship."
https://theathletic.com/3112818/2022/02/04/a-james-harden-ben-simmons-deal-is-a-possibility-before-the-nba-trade-deadline-sources/
https://theathletic.com/3112818/2022/02/04/a-james-harden-ben-simmons-deal-is-a-possibility-before-the-nba-trade-deadline-sources/
Powell was worth Gary Trent and Rodney Hool last year, so there is value there. But only so much. As others have noted between defense, ton of money remaining, and the optionality (likely to sign Simons) I get it for Portland. That's why I called it a salary dump for them---the benefit is primairly about shedding money not the assets in return. I am a bit surprised they couldn't get more for Powell - essentially last year's 21st pick. Maybe one likely hypothesis is that they like Keon Johnson. And, really, I'm not sure I'd deal Celts pick for him....
I don't think Covington has a lot of value, but he's worth the 2nd round pick.
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Simmons on the floor with Durant and Kyrie would be scary, plus 76ers might have to toss in Thybulle and Curry. Nets would be greatly enhanced. Not liking this from Philly’s side but it’s time for Morey to show his players that this season is worth saving.
Harden also sitting out tonight (officially “tight hamstring”) so there seems to be some meat to this rumor.
Makes a lot of sense, both teams could certainly be improved, though in general I'm lower on Simmons than most.
Would be pretty lucky outcome for Morey. Seems like a lot of Nets unrest could play right into his hands.