2021 Celtics LVSL Game Thread
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We know much of what we see against bad G-League players doesn’t translate but I will say this......we have a good chance to win this league this summer. Putting bias aside I haven’t seen a better team than these Celtics.
Needing time off in summer league after barely playing in his NBA career doesn't fill me with a ton of confidence. The guy needs all the reps he can manage.
They really are just a machine wrecking teams outside of the first half of Game 1.
Nice little post game interview with Sam Hauser......until she called him Tim. He wasn’t too thrilled either.
Nesmith looks so much better off the dribble, I wouldn’t be remotely surprised if he starts at the two. Not a gamethread post either, I’ve thought it was a possibility for awhile.
Oops. He was fun to watch tonight.
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She was being consistent. At the end of the first half, she asked Nesmith about Kevin Pritchard
I love how the Celtics have shared and moved the ball in these three games. Joe Mazzulla is no dummy. He’s had the ball in PP’s hands an awful lot, and Pritchard has been dominant. We’ve seen a ton of structure at the offensive end, which isn’t typical SL basketball.
Nesmith showed the entire package: threes, a floater, the twelve foot contested baseline J, drives, and a few minutes running point. If he can do this in the regular season, he could be a starter. I know I mention it a lot, but I see the Middleton influence in his game.
I’m partial to high energy, physical, athletic, rim running bigs, and have liked what I’ve seen from Bruno. He showed some perimeter defensive chops tonight.
Begarin is going to be a beast. The knock on him was that he had tunnel vision for getting his own offense, but he’s been whipping passes around in all three games. Ridiculously strong base for someone who just turned 19. Defensively, he moves his feet well, gets his chest in front of dribblers/drivers, and deploys ridiculous arm length. I would rather have him develop here than play overseas. Maybe Brad can pawn Edwards off on an under the cap team so Begarin can stay.
Nesmith showed the entire package: threes, a floater, the twelve foot contested baseline J, drives, and a few minutes running point. If he can do this in the regular season, he could be a starter. I know I mention it a lot, but I see the Middleton influence in his game.
I’m partial to high energy, physical, athletic, rim running bigs, and have liked what I’ve seen from Bruno. He showed some perimeter defensive chops tonight.
Begarin is going to be a beast. The knock on him was that he had tunnel vision for getting his own offense, but he’s been whipping passes around in all three games. Ridiculously strong base for someone who just turned 19. Defensively, he moves his feet well, gets his chest in front of dribblers/drivers, and deploys ridiculous arm length. I would rather have him develop here than play overseas. Maybe Brad can pawn Edwards off on an under the cap team so Begarin can stay.
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Numbers don't really matter. Tatum, Brown may be at 3, 4 but they will handle thje ball more than Nesmith.
Yeah, even with how good Sharife has been in summer league, I'm glad the Celts passed on him and took Begarin. The French kid doesn't look nearly as raw as I had expected from reading his scouting reports.
Sam Hauser on a 2-way looks like a nice pick-up.
Career 44% 3pt shooter in college with decent volume (5.6/gm). Never below 40% in a season.
54% FG/ 88% FT
Good all-around player in college. Adv stats+++. At the top of the leaderboards for several categories in ACC/Big East play, was more than a one-dimensional 3pt shooter in college.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/sam-hauser-1.html
Needs to add some muscle
Career 44% 3pt shooter in college with decent volume (5.6/gm). Never below 40% in a season.
54% FG/ 88% FT
Good all-around player in college. Adv stats+++. At the top of the leaderboards for several categories in ACC/Big East play, was more than a one-dimensional 3pt shooter in college.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/sam-hauser-1.html
Needs to add some muscle
I was ready to ship him to China after that first game, and watching Sharife abuse him at will, but he looked really good last night on offense. I was really impressed by that 3-pointer he made where the defender was all over him. My big question with him -- he's got the size for the NBA certainly -- is whether he's playable on defense. He looked terrible in the first game, but better last night.
Hauser plays good positional defense. Sharife is shredding every PG that’s crossing his path this summer so I wouldn’t be too concerned with Hauser also being unable to check him. What is the difference between Hauser and Kispert?
I like Hauser as a 2-way guy. The shot of course and he was able to show and deny drives a couple of times.
Karalis on the Locked On C's pod suggested today for the first time that the Celtics should consider signing Begarin. Is it better for him to develop in Maine under the watch of Celtics coaches or head back to Europe for a year or two. I like that pick, not for immediate value, but as a developmental project.
Karalis on the Locked On C's pod suggested today for the first time that the Celtics should consider signing Begarin. Is it better for him to develop in Maine under the watch of Celtics coaches or head back to Europe for a year or two. I like that pick, not for immediate value, but as a developmental project.
One thing I noticed last night is that he tends to follow his shot. He made two plays yesterday where he missed a shot, but followed it and got the offensive rebound and immediately made a good pass to get a teammate an open look. His rebounding numbers were pretty good in college for a shooter, and he seems to have a quick mind when it comes to making the right pass.
I like Begarin on the 2nd two way. He's obviously well ahead of Madar in terms of physical development, and the skill package seems there, it just needs a lot in terms of consistency. Maine with occasional stints in Boston seems the best path.
Can we dream of the JV's success translating to the Varsity?
Can we dream of the JV's success translating to the Varsity?
I know Sam well and he's a great guy, but he did not cover himself in glory in UVA's first-round loss to Ohio in the NCAAs this spring. Fortunately, that kind of shooting was an aberration for him.
I don't know how the G league really works, but with Begarin one of his issues has been shot selection and it seems like playing in a competitive league in Europe puts a lot more pressure on him to fix that than gunning around with guys in the G league would.
One game is clearly an abberation although he also led VA in FTA, Ast and Rebound that game showing he can do other things even though he “looks” like only a shooter. He is sneaky quick on defense and understands how to flair to open spots for catch-and-shoots. He’s impressed me with how he plays the game this summer.......probably more than our veterans who we expect to outplay the younger inferior players.
I think Begarain's development would be marginally better at G-League since the Cs could let him work on specific things that they see but I think the bigger issue is what buy-out is required and whether he could afford the 2-way pay. My guess is that he goes back to the Paris Basketball and hopefully his coach will let him work on what he needs to work on.
As for Doogie Hauser, it looks like he's holding his own on defense since the first game but will be interesting to see what happens when he faces the next level of athletes/talent.
He had two years of defensive instruction from Tony Bennett. That doesn't hurt.
I think he needs to be a big, I don't think his feet are gonna get any quicker at this point, but he can add muscle.
As much as I’ve loved the Begarin experience so far, I think Boston probably wants to delay starting the clock with him. I’m pretty sure he still has a contract so they can’t two way him (because he couldn’t afford the buyout then). I think that the best option might be to get Begarin in to work with Drew Hanlen, Rob McClanaghan, or Chris Johnson until it's time for him to report in France. Because then he'll have some new tools in the box to develop during a year playing in the French A League. And I agree with you that a year at the A League level in Europe is a better place to be working on his game right now than Maine.
It will be a great test for Madar. Romeo might get another chance to try to run point. Maybe Nesmith plays some PG too.
Hauser shot 47% from 3 in ACC play. I also wouldn't get hung up on 1 game
3yrs in the Big East. 2nd All-Time 3pt% behind Ray Allen.
His stroke is smoother than Nesmith's (who I like). IMO Hauser could eventually play wing at the NBA level (if Duncan can) just needs to get a little stronger/not heavier
Anyone that liked Max Straus (I really didn't) should love Hauser on a two-way for a year in Maine.
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I'm not a Kispert guy, & Hauser on a 2-way is a good thing, but Hauser is kind of a slower Kispert in every way - even slower running, slower release, even slower to get to the NBA (he turns 24 in December).
Doubt he ever translates to more than a niche situational player in the NBA. Shorter Steve Novak seems like a reasonable comp for lots of reasons (including Marquette).
Novak shot 43% 3s across 11 seasons, but still only played 12.1 mpg in 467 games.
I think the Joe Harris comparisons are pretty accurate for Kispert. Not much difference between the two in size, athleticism or shooting ability.
If Hauser doesn’t get played off the court due to bad defense, he certainly could carve a role as a floor spacer for the Jays. Certainly a low risk, decent upside signing. He will probably need to be a 44%+ shooter from three to carve out a rotation spot. (Again thinking about Desmond Bane, and his 43.6% rookie year)
Eh, I mean sure, but that's Hauser's almost best case & Kispert's almost worst case.
I think the best Kispert comp is probably McDermott.
while we are waiting for the game, Jared Weiss (the Athletic) has an article on Carsen Edwards: https://theathletic.com/2768200/2021/08/13/carsen-edwards-on-trying-to-work-his-way-into-the-celtics-rotation-i-want-to-improve-on-everything-at-the-same-time/?source=emp_shared_article&redirected=1. One bit on his summer workouts:
It's amazing how hard these guys work; even end of rotation guys. I'm disappointed that his shooting hasn't flashed in SL but I'm still rooting for him. Like HRB, I think there's a NBA player in there but the most likely scenario is that it will take a few years and a few teams to unlock it.
That work started at the beginning of the offseason, when Edwards went back to the Houston area where he grew up to work with skills trainer Aaron Miller.
“When preparing workouts for Carsen Edwards this summer, we focused on putting him into conceptual situations,” Miller said. “Going through the different Boston Celtics sets that he was involved in, charting them and getting him comfortable getting shot attempts in each action that way he can directly translate to in-game results this upcoming season.”
Edwards would come into the gym at 7 a.m. over the course of nearly two months in Houston. The plan was to break down his game into details like maximizing the impact of a specific number of dribbles in a finishing move to attacking different types of defensive coverages.
“We wanted to be as efficient and consistent as possible by concentrating on specific areas to improve,” Miller said. “Meaning scoring the ball with three dribbles or less, creating space using his strength and speed, and putting pressure on the defense by causing and attacking switches and getting downhill.”
Miller lauded Edwards for bringing energy and effort each day, while his teammates have always appreciated how genial of a person he is, even when he is rarely seeing the court. He is low-key, affable and always with a quiet swag.
It's amazing how hard these guys work; even end of rotation guys. I'm disappointed that his shooting hasn't flashed in SL but I'm still rooting for him. Like HRB, I think there's a NBA player in there but the most likely scenario is that it will take a few years and a few teams to unlock it.
Honestly he didn’t look any different. I don’t think his problem was scoring with three dribbles he just isn’t a good enough shooter right now. I don’t know more than him about what the Celtics are asking him to improve but it’s strange to me he wasn’t focusing almost exclusively on shooting. His path in the league is likely as a bench sniper but right now he’s a bench sniper who can’t snipe. It seems like he wants to be more like a Lou Williams or something but at his size I just don’t see it.
It’s awesome that he’s worked hard, not having a go at him at all and presumably the Celtics are asking him to do some of these things. Just seems like a strange fit to me
It’s awesome that he’s worked hard, not having a go at him at all and presumably the Celtics are asking him to do some of these things. Just seems like a strange fit to me