No and here is why. The elite talent ends at around pick 9-10-11-12. This is fairly consensus now from the NFL guys like Bucky, Lance Z, Tony Pauline, Bruglar's sources, etc. After that first tier of blue-chip talent the next 20-25 players are relatively equal in talent level. They have so many holes that trading back makes a lot of sense if they don't trade up for a QB. They could still probably trade back 5-10 spots, get the guy they want, and pick up another day 2 pick.
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Daniel Jeremiah mocks the Penn State linebacker to the Pats
https://www.nfl.com/news/daniel-jeremiah-2021-nfl-mock-draft-1-0-zach-wilson-to-jets
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I've done quite a few myself, but that is just silly! Basically you turned picks 15 + 98 into 18 + 44 + 100 + 126 (which alone is 35% more value per Rich Hill chart) PLUS 4 day 2 picks in 2022. That would be a monumental haul (though in reality seems like terrible trade AI).
yeah, and I wasn't even trying to milk it, I think PFF has issues with their dynamic value (I think 15 was for Waddle and 35 was maybe Jones? don't remember) but I think they overvalue trades when the player being traded for has fallen enough spots based on their rankings.
I have a fun activity if you are into the draft. Pretend that everyone but Trevor Lawrence, Penei Sewell, and Ja'Marr Chase are theoretically available at 15. For each position who would you feel comfortable with Bill taking there and not trading back? If no one just note that.Offense:
QB: Fields, Wilson, Lance
RB: none
WR: Waddle, and I am wrestling with Smith, Toney, Rondale Moore, and Elijah Moore. Quick note on Elijah - I saw him vs SC. He can beat press. My friends he might be my WR3 or WR4.
OT: SLATER, Darrisaw
IOL: EVT (USC)
TE: Pitts
Defense:
DT: None - Barmore is the only one I'd consider but I am not sure.
Edge: Ojulari, Paye, Rousseau and MAYBE Oweh.
LB: Parsons, Collins
S: None
CB: Farley, Surtain, and maybe Horn
Quick edit: this is obviously for a Pats fit. I am not thinking about any other team.
QB: Fields, Wilson, Lance
RB: none
WR: Waddle, and I am wrestling with Smith, Toney, Rondale Moore, and Elijah Moore. Quick note on Elijah - I saw him vs SC. He can beat press. My friends he might be my WR3 or WR4.
OT: SLATER, Darrisaw
IOL: EVT (USC)
TE: Pitts
Defense:
DT: None - Barmore is the only one I'd consider but I am not sure.
Edge: Ojulari, Paye, Rousseau and MAYBE Oweh.
LB: Parsons, Collins
S: None
CB: Farley, Surtain, and maybe Horn
Quick edit: this is obviously for a Pats fit. I am not thinking about any other team.
Love your list. For me, I would only draft one of the QB's or one of the LB's. I'd probably go with Wilson, all the while terrified I might have missed the boat on Lance. If the QB's are gone then its either Parsons or Collins for me. I actually like Collins a bit more as a fit for the Pats. If none of those five are available I'm trading down early and often to acquire assets to take multiple swings in a WR rich draft. My feeling is there are more holes to fill, especially in the young core, than we are leading ourselves to believe.
Not disagreeing with you and this is possible but I'll bet they have a handful or players they have graded as essentially instant high level starters (the top handful of players and maybe Collins, Fairley, Pitts, Darrisaw, but honestly who really knows) and if only one or two of them are still left at 15 they don't move down.
EDIT: What is people favorite free online prospect evaluation site these days?
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@Shelterdog I got a chance to view more prospects and have since changed my mind. I got to about 10 edges, 5 LBs, 10 OTs, and another 8 WRs.
There are some really good edges in this class. No Chase Young types but there are 4 ILB/OLB hybrids I think the Pats would love: Azeez Ojulari, Micah Parsons, and Zabek Collins. Phillips has first round kind of tape and traits but an injury history that could drop him to day 3. If they want to go 4-3 then they might have an eye on Paye or Rousseau. So that’s 5. All 3 or 4 QBs are probably top 15 guys. There are 3 or 4 OTs who are top 15 guys: Sewell, Slater, and Darrisaw for sure. Eichenberg, Cosmi, and Carman Jackson are others. WR wise Chase, Waddle, D Smith are probably top 15 or so guys. Tony, Rondale Moore, Elijah Moore, and Bateman are others in consideration. The only DT at 15 is Barmore but I’m not sure he is worth taking that high. No safeties are going to go top 15-20. Same with RBs. There are 3 DBs who might go top 15: Farley, Surtain, and Horn. So they might trade back a couple of spots but the more I look at it the more I think they take an edge or ILB/OLB at 15 or an OT.
If they did trade down it would probably be only a few spots down the board. I think they stay at 15 though if they don’t trade up for a QB. I don’t think they do that though sadly.
There are some really good edges in this class. No Chase Young types but there are 4 ILB/OLB hybrids I think the Pats would love: Azeez Ojulari, Micah Parsons, and Zabek Collins. Phillips has first round kind of tape and traits but an injury history that could drop him to day 3. If they want to go 4-3 then they might have an eye on Paye or Rousseau. So that’s 5. All 3 or 4 QBs are probably top 15 guys. There are 3 or 4 OTs who are top 15 guys: Sewell, Slater, and Darrisaw for sure. Eichenberg, Cosmi, and Carman Jackson are others. WR wise Chase, Waddle, D Smith are probably top 15 or so guys. Tony, Rondale Moore, Elijah Moore, and Bateman are others in consideration. The only DT at 15 is Barmore but I’m not sure he is worth taking that high. No safeties are going to go top 15-20. Same with RBs. There are 3 DBs who might go top 15: Farley, Surtain, and Horn. So they might trade back a couple of spots but the more I look at it the more I think they take an edge or ILB/OLB at 15 or an OT.
If they did trade down it would probably be only a few spots down the board. I think they stay at 15 though if they don’t trade up for a QB. I don’t think they do that though sadly.
Curious why you don't have Owusu-Koramoah on your list. Is it just that you don't think Bill would take a fast but not big cover LB? He isn't Bill's normal mold of LB, but on the other hand, we've seen significantly diminishing returns in recent years on LBs who lack speed, and I wonder if Bill adjusts to how the league is changing.
I believe Owusu Koramoah was playing at about 205 so even if BB is ready to go smaller he’s not going that small
I've seen people putting him at 215 (and a few thought he added weight and might have been closer to 220 by the end of the season). Wonder if he could be a Vic Beasly , who put on like 20+ lbs before the NFL. I don't think he'd get to 240, but if he can get to 225/230 that's a versatile weapon in the pass rush and coverage game with his speed.
I just look at him and see a ridiculously good explosive player, seems like most of the guys who people worried were size tweeners, but otherwise strong did just fine in the NFL (Myles Jack, Deion Jones, Telvin Smith etc.)
JOK is a lot like Dugger to me. I think Bill wanted that big S/LB hybrid for a long time now. T. Wilson, Jordan Richards, and guys like that were his cracks at it. Chung 2.0 was another guy who could do that. No need to take JOK imo when you have Dugger.
Bill hasn't taken an ILB under 240 in the first 3 rounds... ever. All of his ILBs are big dudes. I agree with you. It's true that some guys played under 240 in college like Mayo but when they weighed in at their pro-days or the combine they were at 240 or above and I think they played heavier with the Pats too.
You can get away with playing bigs if those bigs have speed and athleticism like Uche. Uche carried KJ Hamler from the slot when Michigan played Penn State for example.
It just seems to me that spending capital on a trade up for a QB or for a elite vet would be so costly as to devastate both the 2021 and 2022 drafts. There are a lot of holes to fill on this roster even if the optouts come back. Unless one of the elite QBs falls to 15 (not likely) I would prefer we trade down in order to acquire assets for multiple swings. I think you even might be able to trade down and get Collins, who seems like a great fit for BB's defense. While I love JOK, I don't see the fit as he does not fill a hole with Duggar, Chung and Phillips on board. This is a WR rich draft. Opportunities abound. Trade down.
I got the 205 from Dan Jeremiahs most recent podcast. Anything under 230 or so is, I think, a no go for BB
205-15 is LIGHT for a true backer. At a certain point, you just won’t have the functional mass or strength to hold up unless you’re playing in a sub/star role. You can’t stick a guy like that in the box as a primary stand up defender against most base packages/most downs.
Agree with CD’s point that a guy under 230 better be extremely athletic and be able to play in a few spots/not be pigeonholed to inside backer to get picked by the Pats. And, honestly, I don’t think they have the DTs to get away with a lighter ILB corps; those guys are gonna have guards up on them are regularity unless Wilfork and Alan Branch are falling out of the sky.
Agree with CD’s point that a guy under 230 better be extremely athletic and be able to play in a few spots/not be pigeonholed to inside backer to get picked by the Pats. And, honestly, I don’t think they have the DTs to get away with a lighter ILB corps; those guys are gonna have guards up on them are regularity unless Wilfork and Alan Branch are falling out of the sky.
Can anyone weigh in on Levi Onwuzurike vs. Daviyon Nixon vs. Alim McNeill vs Tyler Shelvin? All look to be top 20-50 players, and DT is a pretty big area of need. Which is the best fit for the Pats, which might be the best value, and could we see a double-dip at the position?
Sure thing.
So Alim McNeill is my guy. He is one of the biggest most explosive players on the DL. Has rare power and can soak up double teams while clogging the middle. He is an unmovable object against the run and his bull rush is potent for a big against the pass. He needs to introduce more pass rushing moves but he could be Vince Wilfork 2.0 in the right scheme like... the Patriots. He is a true 0 tech in a 3-3-5 or 3-4 base.
Levi Onwurzurike is an explosive freak. I was just watching him last night or the night before when I watched Joe Tryon. The guy has insane burst off the snap and good power in his hands. He is more of the penetrating 3-tech type. He is not big. Plays around 290. Could flip him inside on passing downs and watch him mow-down guards.
Tyler Shelvin is another big guy who is an immoveable wall against the run. He is around 345 but lacks McNeill's athletic traits. I think he is a big space eater. I am not sure i buy into his pass rush. I am not that high on Shelvin. He's too big and 1-dimensional to me.
Daviyon Nixon is a 3 tech penetrator type. He can also 2-gap. I have not deep dived on him but he only has one solid year of production. He is between Levi and Alim in usage. He might be the most versatile DT in the class but he is also the least elite at anything from what I can tell.
Edit: I am cheating on Nixon. I am up to like 100-110 guys watched but I have definitely not watched him yet in full.
What site is that? Elijah Moore at 122? PFF has him going late 1st/early 2nd when I mock, and PFN has him going early to mid round 3 when I mock there.
Fanspeak. Here is the thing with this time of year. Some of the guys I got day 3 are probably day 2 picks
. The draft boards are highly variable.PFF is way higher on Moore than anyone else. Most of the guys I follow have him in the 2nd or 3rd. Personally I will have him top 30ish. I love Elijah Moore.
Barmore, Collins, and McNeill would be impressive. I'm a fan of the Felton pick as well. He'd be a nice replacement for James White.
I didn't ask you about Barmore because I wasn't sure he'd be a value where he's likely to get drafted, and from what I've read he's not as strong against the run. You'd take him over, say, Teven Jenkins, who could step in at RT?
Teven Jenkins is a perfect Cannon replacement. He's a big strong OT. I am not sure he has the athleticism the Pats like for their OTs in rounds 1-2. Carman Jackson and Alex Leatherwood are also OTs in that mold. I think Barmore has rare athleticism and hand usage for a DT. I just did deep a dive in Barmore tonight - I would have him rated higher than Jenkins.
Barmore is more rare in this draft cycle for his position vs Jenkins who is one of at least 3 guys with a similar profile. You could trade back, probably to the early 20s, pick up a 3rd rounder and probably grab Barmore. Jenkins is imo a 1st or 2nd round guy but because of OT depth this year I could see him being there at 46. He isn't go to be for all teams. If you run a ton of outside zone you might not want him. Jenkins can do outside zone stuff but you don't want him making tough cut-off blocks in space.
While there are some decent DTs and edges later on edge is top heavy with guys who are in that 15-35 range (but because of the position may go higher). DT is scarcer. There might be 5-8 DTs who go days 1 and 2. It's not a particularly good DT class. There are 10-15 edges who will go day 1 or day 2 but only maybe 3-5 of them are round one or early 2s. That's why I think they will go edge or DT with 15 or 46. If they don't there isn't a lot of guys who will be available at 96 or on day 3.
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This is apropos of nothing but I just learned that Asante Samuel Jr. is draft eligible this year and the news separated my soul from my body.
Also, Patrick Surtain II. And I just learned Jaycee Horn the CB from SC is the son of Joe Horn. Damn, I feel old...
LOL
Jaycee Horn is a FREAK
View: https://twitter.com/MathBomb/status/1374785946042953732
Perfect RAS, top CB of all-time by RAS.
Jaycee Horn is a FREAK
View: https://twitter.com/MathBomb/status/1374785946042953732
Perfect RAS, top CB of all-time by RAS.
Whenever I see RAS my mind goes immediately to Ras-I Dowling. I have to assume a prospect's RASI and RAS scores form a perfect negative correlation.
Pats could do a hell of a lot worse than drafting him or Surtain at 15 if they don't want to trade up or down
Apropos of nothing...
There were some high scores that year:
| Link | Jordan Cameron | TE | Southern California | 4 | 102 | Browns | 10.00 |
| Link | Cam Newton | QB | Auburn | 1 | 1 | Panthers | 10.00 |
| Link | Von Miller | LB | Texas A&M | 1 | 2 | Broncos | 9.97 |
| Link | Patrick Peterson | CB | Louisiana State | 1 | 5 | Cardinals | 9.93 |
| Link | Martez Wilson | LB | Illinois | 3 | 72 | Saints | 9.93 |
| Link | Blaine Gabbert | QB | Missouri | 1 | 10 | Jaguars | 9.92 |
| Link | Julio Jones | WR | Alabama | 1 | 6 | Falcons | 9.92 |
| Link | Nate Solder | OT | Colorado | 1 | 17 | Patriots | 9.90 |
| Link | Anthony Allen | RB | Georgia Tech | 7 | 225 | Ravens | 9.89 |
| Link | Colin Kaepernick | QB | Nevada | 2 | 36 | 49ers | 9.85 |
| Link | Torrey Smith | WR | Maryland | 2 | 58 | Ravens | 9.85 |
Here are the guys I feel like are top 15 or so guys:
In order for Position Groups on how I think the Pats will see them:
QBs: Lawrence, Fields, Lance, Wilson.... Maybe Mac Jones?
OTs: Sewell, Slater, Darrisaw
RBs: None.
WRs: Chase, Waddle, Smith (think he is off their board)
TE: Pitts (can also view him as a WR)
IOL: AVT (Do not see him as an ideal fit schematically), Teven Jenkins (Is he top 15 though?)
CB: Horn, Surtain, Newsome (Fringe top 20 player), Farley (Farley is a fit but limited tape and a very bad medical history including ANOTHER back surgery preparing for testing). Horn has the worst tackling but he is a willing tackler and he is extremely versatile. I wish they weren't from the same school so comparing him to Gilmore wouldn't be so lazy. Surtain is a little stiff is basically my only knock on him.
S: No one.
DT: Barmore (he has all the athleticism but he is reckless and doesn't play smart and he is inconsistent - they might not like him for those reasons)
Edge: Paye if they go 4-3, Ojulari if they go 3-4 (I think they go 3-4), Rousseau if they go 4-3.
ILB/OLB: Parsons (if character checks out), Z Collins
I think with the way the board drops off after 12-16 if they like someone they need to take them there and not trade back. Even for Z Collins.
While I am at it let me stack the corner board a bit for y'all. I stack it by looking at just the outside guys. I look at inside guys differently. Different position really.
My CB1 is Horn (8.49). Horn can cover anyone. He can cover slots or outside guys. Fast guys or twitchy guys. He is press-man all day long. Think Gilmore. The only glaring issue he has is his tackling is putrid. He is a willing tackler and puts everything into it but it's a shitty one arm technique.
CB2 is Surtain (8.25) - Press-man who isn't twitchy and doesn't have elite recovery but rarely gets beat and plays with good anticipation. Is probably around a true 4.48-4.5 speed which is just a hair slow for a CB1. He is scheme versatile but would do best in a press-bail scheme or any sort of press-man heavy scheme.
CB3 is Caleb Farley (8.49M) who is an insane athlete with great tape and has good limited press reps there but he has major back issues and had a surgery again preparing for testing. His tape is round 1 easy. His medicals are going to knock him down to late 1 or day 2.
After that there is a next tier of guys they would be interested in and they are all around the same grade. I will have these all as 7+ guys who are all press-man types: Greg Newsome (7.99), Tyson Campbell (7.75), Eric Stokes (7.25), and Robert Rochell who I will get to later this week.
Next tier is guys who are backups year 1 and hopefully starters by year 2 but need some development: Benjamin St-Juste (6.75 - his hips aren't the most fluid and he is still learning the position) and Ambry Thomas (6.75 - he might also be a FS and his biggest issue is play strength).
Next tier is backups who may or may not have starting potential but would fill out a roster: DJ Daniel (6.25), Mark Webb (6.25), and Israel Mukuamu (6.0 - he might be more cover 3 or a FS). Tre Brown is undersized but he pressed well in college and plays special teams. Probably a UDFA. They got a lot out of JCJ and Butler. Tre Brown has a similar skill set.
So if you want a starting corner by at least 2022 (they have JCJ and Gilmore for next year) they could be looking at up to 9 guys in this class.
Keith Taylor is a UDFA they might be interested in with press-man.
Edit: We watched Kelvin Joseph too - He has the traits and the size to play press-man but his eye discipline gets him in a ton of trouble. He is late seeing and reacting to things and he gets fooled too often by receivers. I guess you could add him to the list of guys to watch because he is a good athlete and has those size requirements but I don't like the mental side to his game.
In order for Position Groups on how I think the Pats will see them:
QBs: Lawrence, Fields, Lance, Wilson.... Maybe Mac Jones?
OTs: Sewell, Slater, Darrisaw
RBs: None.
WRs: Chase, Waddle, Smith (think he is off their board)
TE: Pitts (can also view him as a WR)
IOL: AVT (Do not see him as an ideal fit schematically), Teven Jenkins (Is he top 15 though?)
CB: Horn, Surtain, Newsome (Fringe top 20 player), Farley (Farley is a fit but limited tape and a very bad medical history including ANOTHER back surgery preparing for testing). Horn has the worst tackling but he is a willing tackler and he is extremely versatile. I wish they weren't from the same school so comparing him to Gilmore wouldn't be so lazy. Surtain is a little stiff is basically my only knock on him.
S: No one.
DT: Barmore (he has all the athleticism but he is reckless and doesn't play smart and he is inconsistent - they might not like him for those reasons)
Edge: Paye if they go 4-3, Ojulari if they go 3-4 (I think they go 3-4), Rousseau if they go 4-3.
ILB/OLB: Parsons (if character checks out), Z Collins
I think with the way the board drops off after 12-16 if they like someone they need to take them there and not trade back. Even for Z Collins.
While I am at it let me stack the corner board a bit for y'all. I stack it by looking at just the outside guys. I look at inside guys differently. Different position really.
My CB1 is Horn (8.49). Horn can cover anyone. He can cover slots or outside guys. Fast guys or twitchy guys. He is press-man all day long. Think Gilmore. The only glaring issue he has is his tackling is putrid. He is a willing tackler and puts everything into it but it's a shitty one arm technique.
CB2 is Surtain (8.25) - Press-man who isn't twitchy and doesn't have elite recovery but rarely gets beat and plays with good anticipation. Is probably around a true 4.48-4.5 speed which is just a hair slow for a CB1. He is scheme versatile but would do best in a press-bail scheme or any sort of press-man heavy scheme.
CB3 is Caleb Farley (8.49M) who is an insane athlete with great tape and has good limited press reps there but he has major back issues and had a surgery again preparing for testing. His tape is round 1 easy. His medicals are going to knock him down to late 1 or day 2.
After that there is a next tier of guys they would be interested in and they are all around the same grade. I will have these all as 7+ guys who are all press-man types: Greg Newsome (7.99), Tyson Campbell (7.75), Eric Stokes (7.25), and Robert Rochell who I will get to later this week.
Next tier is guys who are backups year 1 and hopefully starters by year 2 but need some development: Benjamin St-Juste (6.75 - his hips aren't the most fluid and he is still learning the position) and Ambry Thomas (6.75 - he might also be a FS and his biggest issue is play strength).
Next tier is backups who may or may not have starting potential but would fill out a roster: DJ Daniel (6.25), Mark Webb (6.25), and Israel Mukuamu (6.0 - he might be more cover 3 or a FS). Tre Brown is undersized but he pressed well in college and plays special teams. Probably a UDFA. They got a lot out of JCJ and Butler. Tre Brown has a similar skill set.
So if you want a starting corner by at least 2022 (they have JCJ and Gilmore for next year) they could be looking at up to 9 guys in this class.
Keith Taylor is a UDFA they might be interested in with press-man.
Edit: We watched Kelvin Joseph too - He has the traits and the size to play press-man but his eye discipline gets him in a ton of trouble. He is late seeing and reacting to things and he gets fooled too often by receivers. I guess you could add him to the list of guys to watch because he is a good athlete and has those size requirements but I don't like the mental side to his game.
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Been thinking a lot about safety and where they head post DMC. The league is going to more 2 high safeties whether you have man or zone underneath. The Patriots might move that way too especially given that Bill loves his big nickel. Dugger, Bryant, and Tyree Gillespie strike me as a pretty good trio to have. Bryant can handle slots and split zone. Dugger and Gillespie can handle TEs and do split zone. Gillespie is fantastic in run support and is a core 4 STer. Gillespie’s biggest issue is processing routes from single high. He’s late with his breaks and his anticipation is not wonderful. He has true mid 4.4 speed but his COD and short area quickness aren’t anything good. He’s fairly linear but can make subtle adjustments and you’ll see that in the run game.
I like Gillespie a lot even though he has a glaring sore spot in his game. However if you can take a crack at him in the 4th round he has a great floor and could evolve into a starter or key contributor depending on how they want to scheme up the secondary. At the very least he could be that third safety who handles split zones, tight ends, and can play in the box while being a core 4 STer. There is a spot for that on the roster. He’s a guy I am pounding the table for on day 3. Love me some Tyree Gillespie. Just don’t take him round 2, Bill.
And schematically if they run more 2 high safeties both Gillespie and Dugger are so good in run support it would help mitigate the disadvantage with playing 2 high safeties just a bit. Every little advantage helps.
I like Gillespie a lot even though he has a glaring sore spot in his game. However if you can take a crack at him in the 4th round he has a great floor and could evolve into a starter or key contributor depending on how they want to scheme up the secondary. At the very least he could be that third safety who handles split zones, tight ends, and can play in the box while being a core 4 STer. There is a spot for that on the roster. He’s a guy I am pounding the table for on day 3. Love me some Tyree Gillespie. Just don’t take him round 2, Bill.
And schematically if they run more 2 high safeties both Gillespie and Dugger are so good in run support it would help mitigate the disadvantage with playing 2 high safeties just a bit. Every little advantage helps.
@tims4wins this is a draft with more athletic freaks than usual. Kent Lee Platte (@mathbomb) on Twitter can confirm.
You should check out Jason Oweh... (also PSU)
Another guy I am banging the table for in round 3+ is Jaelen Darden slot receiver out of UNT (North Texas). He ran a 4.46 40 along with a 6.66 3-cone and a 3.98 short shuttle. Welcome to our new slot receiver. He has both KR and PR potential and if you don’t want Toney day 1/2 or Rondale Moore day 2 just get Darden day 2 late or day 3.
You should check out Jason Oweh... (also PSU)
Another guy I am banging the table for in round 3+ is Jaelen Darden slot receiver out of UNT (North Texas). He ran a 4.46 40 along with a 6.66 3-cone and a 3.98 short shuttle. Welcome to our new slot receiver. He has both KR and PR potential and if you don’t want Toney day 1/2 or Rondale Moore day 2 just get Darden day 2 late or day 3.
Question for you draftniks: To what extent can we trust all these testing times (and composite measures like RAS) this year given that they're being generated at different locations rather than at a single combine that provides a more uniform method for testing and comparison?
I love Darden. Fast twitch athlete with some real understanding of his role. If I had my choice of LBs, I'm going with Collins. Trust him more than Parsons and he's Hightower redux. Can cover and blitz. Perfect Pats fit. Looking forward to next film session
@Morgan's Magic Snowplow Pro days can inflate scores by 0.5-1 RAS per Kent. But for most of these guys who score v well? It doesn’t matter. This is a class full of freaks with question marks.
I want Parsons. His character concerns aren’t real. He was a knucklehead in his recruitment but that’s nothing new. Since being at PSU he’s been a great student athlete. Graduated in 3 years, loved by coaches and teammates. Cornerback movement skills at 6’3” 245 and he’s a great player. Watch the cotton bowl, his last game. He took over a game in a way someone from the LB spot rarely can. If we can’t get our QB of the future adding him to the middle of this defense would be game changing.
Who do you guys think could be targeted to eventually replace White from this class, if the Pats don't think Taylor is the answer?
There are 3 guys I’ve been pounding the table for: (in this order): Demetric Felton, Kenneth Gainwell, Michael Carter. Michael Carter is the best runner of those guys but hasn’t had as many chances to take WR routes. Gainwell is the 2nd best runner of this group and 2nd best receiver and he has ran slot routes. Felton is the worst runner but he’s a good zone runner (outside zone speed guy)but his routes are the best and he’s run a lot of them. All 3 need work in pass pro and probably need to add 5-10 pounds. Carter imo could be a starter or lead committee back if he puts on 5-10 pounds. No one else really moves the needle for me RB wise as White/Vereen/Faulk/Woodhead types minus those guys. Maybe Max Borghi as a distant 4th. He’d fit in too.
Edit: Felton and Carter were just joys to watch.
Thanks! I think I like Gainwell the most from the draft profiles that I've read. But since he didn't even play in 2020, there are probably more question marks with him. Do you think he could be available in the 3rd round?