2022-23 NBA Game Thread

benhogan

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Donte is a much better fit with a healthy Steph/Klay than Poole.

Myers had a bad offseason but Donte was a really nice signing.

DD should have some demand this summer
 

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When you’re the greatest coach of all time and can waste the greatest shooter of all time as an inbounder to get Draymond Green a clean look you simply cannot pass up this opportunity. Gjge Steve aka Goat Kerr.
Such a weird strawman you've pounding on lately. Nobody calls Kerr the GOAT coach. But he's quite good.
 

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Such a weird strawman you've pounding on lately. Nobody calls Kerr the GOAT coach. But he's quite good.
Meh he’s ordinary. Curry is quite good. NBA is a players league more than any other professional sport. Kerr has as much impact as their 8th man….totally replaceable.
 

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Donte is a much better fit with a healthy Steph/Klay than Poole.

Myers had a bad offseason but Donte was a really nice signing.

DD should have some demand this summer
Poole is a lousy fit on this GS team in general. His only value is that when Steph (inevitably at this point) misses time, he can do a decent impression of him and help keep the team afloat (22-22 since the start of last year without him), at least in the regular season. This has been the case with him going back to the playoffs, when his minutes steadily declined as GS advanced (he was almost unplayable at times in the finals). They aren't hurting for scoring, not with Thompson having recovered from his early season slump. They absolutely cannot have a defensive liability in the backcourt playing alongside Curry, especially considering Draymond's decline and Wiggin's absence.
 

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Meh he’s ordinary. Curry is quite good. NBA is a players league more than any other professional sport. Kerr has as much impact as their 8th man….totally replaceable.
is this based on Luke Walton coaching half a year of the 73-9 team, then not doing much with the Lakers/Kings? (pre- KD years)

I doubt NBA Intelligentsia would name Kerr Coach of Team USA if he was "replaceable"

It's painful to say but Kerr did a great job last season. He did a really good job of milking every ounce out of Wiggins' contract year ;)

Poole is a lousy fit on this GS team in general. His only value is that when Steph (inevitably at this point) misses time, he can do a decent impression of him, at least in the regular season. This has been the case with him going back to the playoffs, when his minutes steadily declined as GS advanced (he was almost unplayable at times in the finals). They aren't hurting for scoring, not with Thompson having recovered from his early season slump. They absolutely cannot have a defensive liability in the backcourt playing alongside Curry, especially considering Draymond's decline and Wiggin's absence.
exactly how I see it

I have a feeling Dray knew Bob was paying JP $125MM and it pissed him off (unverified, wild ass speculation on my part). Which led to the bad energy around this team all year.
 
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Meh he’s ordinary. Curry is quite good.
I dunno ... parsing out the exact isolated effect of an NBA head coach is nearly impossible for us as fans, with all they have to do both during games and behind the scenes. But of course the coach is always the lowest hanging fruit for fan criticism in all sports.

Occam's Razor: 22-2 career in playoff series (.732 playoff winning percentage, best in NBA history by far) should qualify Kerr for at least "quite good." But yes, Steph (and KD) are better than that. Kerr would be the first to agree with that.
 

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Poole is a lousy fit on this GS team in general. His only value is that when Steph (inevitably at this point) misses time, he can do a decent impression of him and help keep the team afloat (22-22 since the start of last year without him), at least in the regular season. This has been the case with him going back to the playoffs, when his minutes steadily declined as GS advanced (he was almost unplayable at times in the finals). They aren't hurting for scoring, not with Thompson having recovered from his early season slump. They absolutely cannot have a defensive liability in the backcourt playing alongside Curry, especially considering Draymond's decline and Wiggin's absence.
100% agreed.
 

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I dunno ... parsing out the exact isolated effect of an NBA head coach is nearly impossible for us as fans, with all they have to do both during games and behind the scenes. But of course the coach is always the lowest hanging fruit for fan criticism in all sports.

Occam's Razor: 22-2 career in playoff series (.732 playoff winning percentage, best in NBA history by far) should qualify Kerr for at least "quite good." But yes, Steph (and KD) are better than that. Kerr would be the first to agree with that.
Reminds me of Phil Jackson, who people kept panning as a coach even as his teams kept winning championships. Now I fully know I have no idea if either Phil or Steve are really great coaches or not (obviously both had great players), but at some point their body of work has to mean something.
 

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Reminds me of Phil Jackson, who people kept panning as a coach even as his teams kept winning championships. Now I fully know I have no idea if either Phil or Steve are really great coaches or not (obviously both had great players), but at some point their body of work has to mean something.
It means they had great players?

Funny how Pop went from 60 wins with great players like Duncan, Robinson then later the Kawhi team. Once those players were replaced by good players like Aldridge and DeRozen he’d win in the 40’s…..and then when they were replaced with todays dreck he wins 30 every year.

In college, the coach can have a much great impact as schemes can vary due to the flexibility that the rules allow. Even there, some of the greatest icons on the bench have been known to be some of the worst tacticians. The Roy Williams stories were stuff of legend….but the man could recruit.
 
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Not sure what to make of the new Nets. They went 3-8 after trading Kyrie and looked poised not just to tumble out of the safety of the top 6 but potentially all the way out of the play in. Now they've won 5 of 6, starting with that huge comeback against Boston and continuing with a win @ Denver today, with the only loss in that stretch being to the Bucks. Meanwhile the Knicks have cooled off and the Heat continue to tread water, Brooklyn remains in 5th place, 4 games ahead of the 7th place Heat in the loss column with 14 games left. I'm sure I'm not the only one expecting the Knicks and Heat to finish 5th and 6th, but this is getting harder and harder to see.
 

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In a league where all the stars seem to be if not best friends at least aligned together in who they are as celebrities. Then there is Devin Booker who initiates shit with Doncic every time they play and tonight gets into it with Klay. I haven’t decided whether this is refreshing or that Devin is a colossal asshole…..or both.
 

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In a league where all the stars seem to be if not best friends at least aligned together in who they are as celebrities. Then there is Devin Booker who initiates shit with Doncic every time they play and tonight gets into it with Klay. I haven’t decided whether this is refreshing or that Devin is a colossal asshole…..or both.
Kobe was his mentor. He makes sense when you think about it that way.
 

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Happy 35th, old man!

(per 36 minutes this season)

30.8 points on .668 true shooting
.580 2fg% / .436% 3fg% / .922 ft%
6.5 rebounds
6.5 assists

Still not quite washed. :)
 

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Happy 35th, old man!

(per 36 minutes this season)

30.8 points on .668 true shooting
.580 2fg% / .436% 3fg% / .922 ft%
6.5 rebounds
6.5 assists

Still not quite washed. :)
"Washed Curry" was one of the all-time clunkers

Steph could legitimately play until 40 with his body type, work ethic, & stroke.

Does he ever talk about future retirement plans? other than playing on the PGA Senior Tour
 

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Interesting how much his rebounding numbers are up this year (from 4.7 pg for his career to 6.5 this year). Not that it's central to his greatness, but interesting to see that sort of improvement in yet another aspect of his game. Is he doing something particularly different?
 

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Good comeback win for NY in POR, down 16 and win by 16, not sure what to make of this.

1st quarter: POR without Lillard 30, NY 20, Lillard 3.

2nd-4th quarters: NY 103, POR without Lillard 39, Lillard 35.
 

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Sixers about to pick up a huge come-from-behind win over the Cavs in Cleveland. They're rolling.
 

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Draymond with the world's longest leash. Gets a T for chucking the ball at Westbrook after a made basket, then spends the entire technical free throw, he's yelling at the ref.
 

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Draymond with the world's longest leash. Gets a T for chucking the ball at Westbrook after a made basket, then spends the entire technical free throw, he's yelling at the ref.
Yup and baits morris into getting ejected. The full draymond experience.

He's the biggest troll in the nba. Talent wise, a guy born on 3rd base thinking he hit a triple. Lands in any other spot and his limited ass would've been outta the league and scraping the pine in Houston or some bottom rung.

It drives me insane when people say "but in his prime" yada yada yada rodman, etc. I saw rodman play, Draymond doesnt hold a candle to Rodman.
 

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Yup and baits morris into getting ejected. The full draymond experience.

He's the biggest troll in the nba. Talent wise, a guy born on 3rd base thinking he hit a triple. Lands in any other spot and his limited ass would've been outta the league and scraping the pine in Houston or some bottom rung.

It drives me insane when people say "but in his prime" yada yada yada rodman, etc. I saw rodman play, Draymond doesnt hold a candle to Rodman.
Eh, they're two extremely limited players who were excellent in a couple of ways. Rodman wouldn't have been who he was if he hadn't played on the bad boys pistons and the jordan bulls, just as Draymond wouldn't be the same if he didn't play alongside the best collection of shooters in history. He's a dirty POS and the amount of rope he gets from the refs is unbelievable, but he's the reason why those early Warriors teams were so good defensively. I don't even know if Rodman was the best defender on his own team most of the time.
 

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Eh, they're two extremely limited players who were excellent in a couple of ways. Rodman wouldn't have been who he was if he hadn't played on the bad boys pistons and the jordan bulls, just as Draymond wouldn't be the same if he didn't play alongside the best collection of shooters in history. He's a dirty POS and the amount of rope he gets from the refs is unbelievable, but he's the reason why those early Warriors teams were so good defensively. I don't even know if Rodman was the best defender on his own team most of the time.
Hard hard disagree. Any team in the league, rodman wouldve still been one of the greatest rebounders and defenders of all time.
 

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All I know is that Mook Morris lives in the same lane as all the other agitators in the league including Draymond Green. If any of these people get run from a game, nobody sheds a tear even if an ejection might seem excessive. Its a lifetime achievement thing.

Steph Curry on one thus far.
 

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Rodman is weird because I think he was an obsessive stat-padder that would abandon his defensive obligations to chase rebounds. He also played in an era where it was totally fine to have zero offensive skills, which Draymond does not. Playing with Curry is hugely beneficial to Draymond, his understanding playing off Curry with his screening and his playmaking as a roller are kind of unique to playing with Curry. But he could be on any other NBA team and be a very good player.

Curry is en fuego right now. The rest of the Warriors stink, but he's KILLING the Clippers.
 

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Hard hard disagree. Any team in the league, rodman wouldve still been one of the greatest rebounders and defenders of all time.
Sure, but his complete and total inability to do anything on offense (other than rebound) would have made him a weaker player in most systems.

On any other team, Green would still be an unusually good passer for a player of his size, and the arguably the most versatile defender of his era. And even with the Poole punch, Green is a better and more reliable teammate.
 

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Rodman did a lot of dumb stuff on and off the court. Green hitting Lebron in the balls and getting suspended for Game 5 with GS up 3-1 likely cost them a championship.
 

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Rodman did a lot of dumb stuff on and off the court. Green hitting Lebron in the balls and getting suspended for Game 5 with GS up 3-1 likely cost them a championship.
They still had to lose games 6 and 7. Speaking of game 7, Draymond put together an all-time performance. By Bref's gamescore metric, it was his single best playoff game out of 146 total games - 32/15/9, 11-15 shooting including 6-8 from 3, with just 2 turnovers. I'm loathe to blame that series loss on Draymond.
 

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If anyone wants to know what is wrong with the NBA replay system try and find the foul on Harrison Barnes that wasn’t reversed to allow DeRozan a 4-pt play to tie the Sac/Chic game late (Fox won it with a 3). Complete insanity.
 

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If anyone wants to know what is wrong with the NBA replay system try and find the foul on Harrison Barnes that wasn’t reversed to allow DeRozan a 4-pt play to tie the Sac/Chic game late (Fox won it with a 3). Complete insanity.
I'll save people from having to find it since I already did. What the hell? How does review not overturn this? There isn't even any contact for the refs to lean on for justification.

View: https://twitter.com/_MarcusD3_/status/1636193138887761922
 

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The last replay in that clip shows a possible graze of the defenders thumb by the shooters elbow. But my god do you have to Zapruder the thing to maybe see it. Regardless that’s a terrible call.
 

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I don't have a problem with that call. Barnes was reaching, Derozen's shot motion was perfectly normal, and he (Barnes) grazed Derozen's shooting arm on the elbow as he went up. It wasn't a ton of contact, but you can see at 28 seconds on that clip that Barnes' hand clearly bumped Derozen. That's a no-brainer call for 90% of the game, and it's only drawing raised eyebrows because what Barnes did was so unbelievably stupid (who fouls a jump shooter on a 3 point attempt with a 4 point lead in the closing seconds) that it's hard to even believe it happened.
 

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Embiid was whistled for his sixth foul with 4:12 remaining last night. Doc challenged the offensive foul call. And the refs agreed. Philly led 108-101 at the time. Cavs fans booed the rest of the game. Cleveland played without center Jared Allen.

76ers secured tiebreaker over Cleveland for third seed. They have a tough schedule rest of the way. Not sure homecourt means much against Boston or even Milwaukee. Those three teams can all beat each other, home or away, when shots are falling.
 

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The Warriors really miss Wiggins, and in a broader sense, also miss the defense that players like Otto Porter Jr. and Gary Payton II brought to the team last year. They rank 18th in defense this season, and it was obvious in the game last night that despite Curry's pyrotechnics, the Clippers could get any shot they want on the other end to maintain their lead in the second half.
 

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Pacers without Halliburton about to beat the red hot Bucks. Mid season doldrums hitting even the hottest teams.
 

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Pacers without Halliburton about to beat the red hot Bucks. Mid season doldrums hitting even the hottest teams.
If the Celtics happen to host Game 7 of the ECF finals, we may have to thank one Aaron Threesmith.

Pacers with 84 second half points on 45 field goal attempts. Incredible.
 

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Pacers without Halliburton about to beat the red hot Bucks. Mid season doldrums hitting even the hottest teams.
This is the caveat to all Celtics' concerns: this happens to everyone.

Would kill to see a 40-50 game NBA regular season, maybe with higher stakes (top 4 make playoffs). Would be an absolutely incredible product.
 

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I think a shorter regular season would definitely improve the product, but only having 4 playoff teams means there would be a lot of tanking.

l’’d love to see a NCAA conference championship style tournament at the end of the regular season where the bottom 16 teams play each other in a win or go home game, followed the next day by games against teams 9-16 in another series of win or go home games, followed the next day by a final day against teams 1-8. Then you get the conference semifinals, best of 7 like normal.

First 2 days would be at a central location (MSG and Vegas?), and the third day would be on the top 8 teams home floor.