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Ralphwiggum

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FWIW, Breer was on Toucher and Rich this morning and seemed to think McDaniels to the Raiders was going to happen with BoB coming back to the Pats to replace him as offensive coordinator.
 

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Was this him speculating or was he reporting that there were discussions between BoB and Belichick?
He always frames these things as “things he is hearing” so who knows. It is being talked about somewhere but it may just be rank speculation from whoever is talking about it.
 
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BigJimEd

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Thanks. Haven't listened or followed Breer much. Just wondering if there was more to it other than it makes sense from both sides. BoB certainly wouldn't be the worst choice.
 

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Not only can BOB run the Patriots offense, he can add concepts from the Alabama offense which Mac already knows.
 

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Longest tenured offensive coordinators in the NFL...

2009 Pete Carmichael (Saints)
2012 Josh McDaniels (Patriots)
2018 Daboll (Bills), Bienemy (Chiefs), Olson (Raiders)
 

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Longest tenured defensive coordinators...

2015 Dennis Allen (Saints)
2017 Leslie Frazier (Bills)
2019 Anarumo (Bengals), Spagnuolo (Chiefs), Bowles (Bucs), Joseph (Cards)
 

allstonite

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He’s been back since 2012?! Wow I would have guessed 2015-16ish. Time works differently in the NFL. I usually have a good idea of ages but I am constantly shocked by how old or young some guys are in football
 

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Yeah, I thought it was interesting how unusual the length of McD's current run as OC is in today's NFL.

Also, Pete Carmichael is from Framingham & I wonder if he's going to be able to stick around now that Payton's gone.

Here's the HC list just for fun...

2000 BB
2007 Tomlin
2008 Harbaugh
2010 Carroll
2013 Reid
2017 McDermott, McVay, Shanny
2018 Reich, Vrabel
 

SemperFidelisSox

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Buffalo is starting to experience the price of success. Teams poaching your coaching staff and front office. Dan Morgan goes to Carolina last year. Assistant GM Joe Schoen goes to New York. Now Brian Daboll.
 

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It’s not official official but it’s seems like a done deal with McDaniels and Ziegler at the Raiders

McDaniels informed the Raiders that he wouldn’t accept their interview request unless he was being offered the job, per sources. And the Raiders told McDaniels that if and when he was offered the position, he needed to be prepared to accept. Sources emphasized that all parties are on the same page, including McDaniels, Ziegler, Raiders owner Mark Davis, and team president Dan Ventrelle.
https://www.profootballnetwork.com/sources-josh-mcdaniels-all-in-and-so-are-the-las-vegas-raiders-on-mcdaniels-dave-ziegler-partnership/

View: https://mobile.twitter.com/AaronWilson_NFL/status/1487223053109145602
 

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Is that normal? To not accept an interview unless you are being offered the job? Kind of suggests the interviews are just a mere formality.
 

mikcou

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Is that normal? To not accept an interview unless you are being offered the job? Kind of suggests the interviews are just a mere formality.
Maybe not normal, but at the top of a lot of industries where people are well known, candidates will ask for confirmation that they are the only candidate under consideration before accepting an interview. This is especially true if the interview is likely to become public and/or known to their current employer.

Everyone knows Josh - hes been around forever - there is minimal benefit to an interview from a candidate evaluation perspective. I suspect any Raiders "interview" of Josh is more a negotiation of exactly what power he would have, what he expects for organizational support, and discussion of key contractual terms.
 

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I don't think I've seen his name come up in this thread yet, but Adam Gase I think would be another OC option if McDaniels leaves. I know, I know, he's not a good head coach, and his Jets eyeballs press conference thing was weird, but he's an experienced OC with some success (obviously we can't give him too much credit for Peyton Manning, but he also coaxed arguably Jay Cutler's best season out of him in 2015). He was a McDaniels hire in Denver (WR coach) and got his start under Saban at Michigan State and LSU. He has a good relationship with Belichick and the Pats hired Bo Hardegree, a Gase disciple, as their assistant QB coach. I think Gase makes a lot of sense if McDaniels leaves and if Bill O'Brien decides to stay at Alabama.

A nice thing about Gase is, since he's already a two-time loser as a head coach, he's going to need a while to re-establish his reputation. O'Brien, on the other hand, could get another head coaching job with a nice season or two as OC, leaving us having to find a hire again.
 

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I was having this discussion with a friend last night and we didn't know. When was the last time they hired someone outside the organization (not Schiano and not hired back) for a non-entry-level position?
 

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I was having this discussion with a friend last night and we didn't know. When was the last time they hired someone outside the organization (not Schiano and not hired back) for a non-entry-level position?
Dom Capers 2008
 

Commander Shears

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I was having this discussion with a friend last night and we didn't know. When was the last time they hired someone outside the organization (not Schiano and not hired back) for a non-entry-level position?
Dave DeGuglielmo in 2014. With him, Dean Pees, and Dom Capers, the list of outside hires is eerily similar to the list of coaches Belichick has let go.
 

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I was having this discussion with a friend last night and we didn't know. When was the last time they hired someone outside the organization (not Schiano and not hired back) for a non-entry-level position?
The "non-entry-level position" clause here is excluding a lot of guys who I think fit the bill, because they'll often bring guys in as generic "assistants" before promoting them. For instance, Brendan Daly joined in 2014 as a "defensive assistant," but he had already spent five years as an NFL positional coach (DL), which he moved into the next year. Bret Bielema joined in 2018 as a "consultant" after a decade as a college head coach. Jedd Fisch joined last year as an assistant QB coach but he'd previously worked as high as offensive coordinator.

Those guys are all very experienced. They'll also bring in guys who have more like 5-6 years experience, such as Mick Lombardi (who had technically been a scouting assistant much earlier) and Bo Hardegree. And it's also worth noting that even some guys who hadn't had NFL jobs before had extensive college experience. Joe Judge and Nick Caley put in almost a decade coaching in college before joining NE. Carmen Bricillo had nearly 15 years in a variety of NCAA coaching roles.
 

jmanny24

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The "non-entry-level position" clause here is excluding a lot of guys who I think fit the bill, because they'll often bring guys in as generic "assistants" before promoting them. For instance, Brendan Daly joined in 2014 as a "defensive assistant," but he had already spent five years as an NFL positional coach (DL), which he moved into the next year. Bret Bielema joined in 2018 as a "consultant" after a decade as a college head coach. Jedd Fisch joined last year as an assistant QB coach but he'd previously worked as high as offensive coordinator.

Those guys are all very experienced. They'll also bring in guys who have more like 5-6 years experience, such as Mick Lombardi (who had technically been a scouting assistant much earlier) and Bo Hardegree. And it's also worth noting that even some guys who hadn't had NFL jobs before had extensive college experience. Joe Judge and Nick Caley put in almost a decade coaching in college before joining NE. Carmen Bricillo had nearly 15 years in a variety of NCAA coaching roles.
Not saying it's right or wrong but to me this seems very anti-Theo who wanted many different points of view. This seems more like being able to mold people into 1 point of view.
 

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View: https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1487493344221614084

Las Vegas update: The #Raiders are interviewing #Patriots OC Josh McDaniels today, source said. It was a positive dinner last night with team president Dan Ventrelle, and owner Mark Davis joins them today. If all goes well today, the hire could come as quickly as this weekend.

View: https://twitter.com/JasonLaCanfora/status/1487498763874746383

Buzz growing that Josh McDaniels will ge hired by Raiders as soon as today. Todd Bowles also a finalist
 

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I’ve been throwing cold water on a lot of the rumors - mostly because, outside of the Raiders, they tended to be absurd. But this feels very different.

It’s less about the players - the Vikings have a good base, but I don’t believe in Kirk Cousins - and more about the fact that the new GM has worked with/likes Harbaugh, and seems willing to give him lots of running room.

This is the only interview Harbaugh has agreed to since he came to Michigan. If the Vikings want him/meet his price, I think he makes the move.
 

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I’ve been throwing cold water on a lot of the rumors - mostly because, outside of the Raiders, they tended to be absurd. But this feels very different.

It’s less about the players - the Vikings have a good base, but I don’t believe in Kirk Cousins - and more about the fact that the new GM has worked with/likes Harbaugh, and seems willing to give him lots of running room.

This is the only interview Harbaugh has agreed to since he came to Michigan. If the Vikings want him/meet his price, I think he makes the move.
If Rodgers does move on from GB, that division is .... WIDE OPEN
 

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Derek Carr is going to go off under Josh. Good for both of them, I'd rather be riding Carr for the foreseeable future than Mac.
Derek Carr is 30, and already has 8 years under his belt. Mac Jones, as a 23 year old rookie, just put up a statistically comparable season to Carr. I mean, Jones may ALREADY be comparable to Carr. To say Carr will be better for the forseeable future? I'd bet against that.

Not to mention that Jacobs, Waller, and Renfrow are better weapons than anything Mac had.
 

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It is. And I know that people here don’t think much of him, but Harbaugh will get the most out of that team.
Maybe the NFL game has passed him by (although they did finally start opening it up at Michigan), but he won at a .695 clip with the Niners and went to three CGs and a Super Bowl with a franchise that sucked for eight years before and four years after him. He's certainly shown he can maximize talent at this level.
 

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What’s with the word “former” there. Did I miss something? Or is time a flat circle?
 

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I'm not particularly excited by McD, but fine. I just hope to hell that Ziegler can fix the offensive line. Carr just doesn't have the mobility to sustain success with a bottom five line line in the league. With an average line he is very good. With an above average line he can be great.

What a terrible pick Leatherwood was.