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I'm still trying to figure out what happened to Subban. I didn't see him play much once he left Montreal, but I'm amazed at how quickly such a dynamic player fell off after his first couple seasons with the Predators. I never liked facing him, but he's the exact kind of player you'd love if he were on your team. I'm just kind of surprised that he's done at 33.
 

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I think the "for now" disclaimer will be a pretty long length of time. The player that'll beat it is Auston Matthews who already makes $11.6 million and is a UFA at age 26 in 2024.

The rest of the "best player in the league" types are already locked up.
 

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If anyone in the league is worth $12.6 million a year it’s him, but they are going to lose some significant depth if the cap doesn’t go up considerably next season. That being said, they did a great job of locking up their core pieces, and already have a cup under their belt.
 

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If anyone in the league is worth $12.6 million a year it’s him, but they are going to lose some significant depth if the cap doesn’t go up considerably next season. That being said, they did a great job of locking up their core pieces, and already have a cup under their belt.
What is Makar worth?

What cup winner had the most $$$ tied up in 2 players? I’m going to guess Crosby and Malkin who were around 25% of the cap in 16-17’. Lightning were 23% of the cap with Kucherov and Point.
 
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They're a local company, recently built a big new office in North Station, and happen to be one of our first and longest customers at my startup company and one that I managed for 4 years. Pretty cool to see from my perspective.
 

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And if that is the extent of the kit/uni/whatever branding, it is nowhere approaching egregious. I don’t know how many people would notice it without looking for it (as @TSC said in the comment I didn’t see originally )
 

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They're a local company, recently built a big new office in North Station, and happen to be one of our first and longest customers at my startup company and one that I managed for 4 years. Pretty cool to see from my perspective.
Cool story.

And I mean that sincerely- it is a really cool story. UKG has sponsorships across all sports- it would have been an easy one to pick up (the K part of UKG is headquartered out of Wilmington, I believe). But they went with a small start up.
That is really cool.
Edit - ok misread … they aren’t a small startup. But still cool.
 

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Barzal signed an 8 year deal - AAV 9.15
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That's a huge commitment for a player who didn't come close to meeting expectations last year.
Just 59 points in 73 games.

I drafted him in the 3rd round of my fantasy hockey pool last season - he was by far my most disappointing pick (and I had a few)
 

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Curious to see what he's like out from under Trotz's system. Last year was also the first his shooting % was below 10%. Underlying Corsi and Fenwick were still 10+.
 

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Trotz is gone, but Lambert was an assistant that traveled with Trotz from Nasvhille to Washington to the Island. I don't think the system is changing a ton.

I don't think his shooting percentage is a huge deal. He shot 9.3% last season, his career average prior to the season was 11.6%. The dip cost him l2-3 goals over the course of the season. I don't think it dipped low enough to where he's do from some crazy positive regression coming. He's been a 60-65 point guy for all but 1 year. That was when Tavares was still on the team and eating the tougher minutes/assignments. I think there's a large enough sample that Barzal kind of is what he is at this point. Which is a very good player but one that I'm not sure is worth $9.15 million annually.
 

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My first thought, too. Reilly is probably gone, right? I'm less sure about Foligno.
Yea, I think he's getting picked up. That's a decent contract for his production and minutes. Not great, but not an albatross.

Nobody is picking up Foligno
 

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LTIR primer

https://www.northstarbets.ca/sportsbook/insights?utm_source=t&utm_medium=ishare&utm_campaign=38307#news/article/what-is-ltir

What is LTIR?
When a player is injured and expected to miss at least 10 NHL games AND 24 days of the NHL regular season, they are eligible for placement on LTIR. While a player is on LTIR, their team may exceed the salary cap.

Despite the common misconception, a player on LTIR does not have their cap hit removed from the team’s cap total. LTIR allows the team to potentially exceed the cap by an amount commonly referred to as the “LTIR Pool.”

How much can the LTIR team exceed the cap?
There are two methods for determining a team’s LTIR Pool, which is how much they can exceed the cap.

1. If a team is under the cap prior to placing the player on LTIR, then the LTIR pool is the injured player’s cap hit minus the team cap space available at the time. For example, if a player with a $4 million cap hit goes on LTIR, and their team has $100,000 of cap space the team’s LTIR pool would be $3.9 million ($4 million-$100,000). Because of this, teams often make several roster moves right before a player goes on LTIR to be as close to the cap as possible to maximize their LTIR Pool.

2. If a team is over the league’s $82.5 million cap when they submit their opening roster, their LTIR pool would be the amount they exceed the cap. For example, if a team is $3 million over the cap and places a player on LTIR with a $4 million cap hit, their LTIR Pool would be the $3 million they exceed the cap.

This is why a potential LTIR team tries to be as close as possible to the cap ceiling (method 1), or be over the cap by an amount close to the injured player’s cap hit (method 2) for their opening roster submission.

Once a team’s initial LTIR pool is established, any additional players going on LTIR throughout the season have their cap hit added to the existing LTIR pool
Buried contract primer

https://www.capfriendly.com/faq#buried

What is a Buried Contract?
Teams do not receive full cap relief when a player on a one-way NHL contract is reassigned to the American Hockey League, or is loaned to a team in another professional league.
The players salary cap hit, minus the sum of the minimum NHL salary for the respective season and $375,000, still counts towards the team’s salary cap total.
The cap hit relief is therefore equal to the minimum salary of the respective season + $375,000:
  • 2022-23: $750,000 + $375,000 = $1,125,000
 

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In other words, the Bruins would save $1,125,000 x3, or $3,375,000 total, if none of Foligno, Reilly and Wagner are claimed and all three are reassigned to Providence (this does not include the impact of replacing them on the roster).

Edit: As I see it, they basically need Reilly or Foligno to be claimed in order to get into salary cap compliance in order to maximize the LTIR pool. Foligno is unlikely to be claimed, while Reilly is more likely (albeit not a certainty) to be claimed.
 
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In other words, the Bruins would save $1,125,000 x3, or $3,375,000 total, if none of Foligno, Reilly and Wagner are claimed and all three are reassigned to Providence (this does not include the impact of replacing them on the roster).

Edit: As I see it, they basically need Reilly or Foligno to be claimed in order to get into salary cap compliance in order to maximize the LTIR pool. Foligno is unlikely to be claimed, while Reilly is more likely (albeit not a certainty) to be claimed.
Quick beer math says they are still roughly 285k over the cap if they don't get claimed? Or am I missing something. Seems like I am as I thought sending down Wags/Foligno got them compliant if they weren't claimed. But as I said above I'm terrible at figuring out cap shit. Haha
 

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Quick beer math says they are still roughly 285k over the cap if they don't get claimed? Or am I missing something. Seems like I am as I thought sending down Wags/Foligno got them compliant if they weren't claimed. But as I said above I'm terrible at figuring out cap shit. Haha
Technically, I think it means that the LTIR pool ends up being approximately $285k (to use your number) or $356k (to use @BruinsCapSpace number) if Wags, Reilly and Foligno clear waivers and are assigned to Providence. Probably means there are additional cap shenanigans to get them to the cap before they put Marchand and/or McAvoy on LTIR. Also, they need to sign Stralman.

EDIT: It is probably in the team's best interest not to send any of the three to Providence, given the LTIR pool, and to sign Stralman before Monday afternoon, if the organization cannot get below the cap by then. That would probably mean Hall and Gryz to IR, Lauko to Providence (not subject to waivers). The LTIR pool would be the amount of the overage ($285k/$356k plus $3,375mm, plus Stralman, less Lauko), so it would behoove them to make the pool as large as possible. It is quite possible that only Marchand will be placed on LTIR, given the numbers (roughly $4-4.5mm over cap, given this scenario).
 
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Technically, I think it means that the LTIR pool ends up being approximately $285k (to use your number) or $356k (to use @BruinsCapSpace number) if Wags, Reilly and Foligno clear waivers and are assigned to Providence. Probably means there are additional cap shenanigans to get them to the cap before they put Marchand and/or McAvoy on LTIR. Also, they need to sign Stralman.

EDIT: It is probably in the team's best interest not to send any of the three to Providence, given the LTIR pool, and to sign Stralman before Monday afternoon, if the organization cannot get below the cap by then. That would probably mean Hall and Gryz to IR, Lauko to Providence (not subject to waivers). The LTIR pool would be the amount of the overage ($285k/$356k plus $3,375mm, plus Stralman, less Lauko), so it would behoove them to make the pool as large as possible. It is quite possible that only Marchand will be placed on LTIR, given the numbers (roughly $4-4.5mm over cap, given this scenario).
That's who I missed, Lauko. I didn't add his contract. That's the number discrepancy. See I'm terrible at this. Hahaha
 

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I’m guessing they sign Stralman.
Gryz was practicing in full without the non contact jersey and is evidently ahead of schedule so there's a possibility he plays, but also agreed I think they sign Stralman
 

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Hall - Bergeron. - DeBrusk
Zacha - Krejci - Pastrnak
Greer - Coyle - Smith
Frederic - Studnicka - Wagner
Foligno - Nosek - Lauko

Lindholm - Carlo
Forbort - Zboril
Reilly - Clifton
Grzelyck - Stralman

Add the 2 goalies and that’s 25 players. The cap maneuvering is underway but the do need to cut 2 players still. Lauko is waivers exempt. If Grz isn’t ready for Wednesday they could IR him.
 

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If Grz isn’t ready for Wednesday they could IR him.
Doesn't that require him missing the first 10 games though? So it's not just if he's ready for Wednesday, but long is he out after that to see if it makes sense to IR him or not.
 

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Doesn't that require him missing the first 10 games though? So it's not just if he's ready for Wednesday, but long is he out after that to see if it makes sense to IR him or not.
LTIR is a 10 game minimum. There’s also a ‘regular’ IR which just opens a roster spot and contains no cap benefits. I don’t believe there is a games missed requirement for it. If Grz is only going to miss a game or two, they could use it as a short term solution to get to 23, then make the call on who goes down when he’s ready. Assuming the 3 waived players clear, the team would have a 30-day window to assign them to Providence before having to waive them again.
 

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LTIR is a 10 game minimum. There’s also a ‘regular’ IR which just opens a roster spot and contains no cap benefits. I don’t believe there is a games missed requirement for it. If Grz is only going to miss a game or two, they could use it as a short term solution to get to 23, then make the call on who goes down when he’s ready. Assuming the 3 waived players clear, the team would have a 30-day window to assign them to Providence before having to waive them again.
Gotcha - I thought you were referring for cap relief. But makes sense. Sweeney just confirmed he won't start on LTIR at least.
 

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NHL IR has a minimum of 7 days “after the date of the injury”. I’m not sure if teams can start the clock retroactively like other sports (particularly at the start of the season).

The Bruins play 3 games in the next week (Weds, Sat, Mon).

If Hall and Grzelyck (Both practicing in regular jerseys) are in the opening day lineup and everyone clears waivers then they’ll probably send Wagner down, and I guess Lauko too if they end up signing Stralman before the 1st game. If they’re still not game ready than 1 or both of them could go on IR and everyone else stays with Boston (As long as the Bruins are OK with them missing the first few games).

If Reilly sticks around and/or the bruins don’t make any subsidized trades to clear the logjam then they’ll probably start the season with 8D and figure out the rest when McAvoy returns. I’d rather see Studnicka, Lauko and McLaughlin get some early season run while they wait for Marchand (Given that it looks like both Nosek and Foligno will take up 2 F spots) instead of carrying an 8th D.

In the event that a player is injured and a Club wishes to place him on the Injured Reserve List the Club must follow these procedures:
  1. A club may place a player on the Injured Reserve List if such player is injured, disabled or ill and unable to perform his duties as a hockey player after having passed the Club's initial physical examination in that season.
  2. A player who has an injury that renders him physically unable to play for a minumum of seven days after that date of the injury can be placed on the Club's Injured Reserve List. Once a player is placed on the list, the Club may replace said player on its NHL roster with another player. All determinations that a player has suffered an injury warranting injured reserve status must be made by the Club's medical staff and in accordance with the Club's medical standards.
  3. A player placed on Injured Reserve is ineligible to compete in NHL games for a period of not less than seven days.
  4. Players on Injured Reserve may attend Club meetings and meals, travel with the Club and participate in practice sessions
  1. https://www.nhl.com/info/hockey-operations-guidelines#injured
 

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So now they build a roster as close to $82.5 million as possible, LTIR 63& 73, then sign Stralman and call up whomever gets sent down in the shuffle before 5:00pm.
 

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little surprised Reilly wasn't claimed
I think it’s a lack of cap space around the league. There aren’t many teams that can take on $3 million.

Edit: Of course this begs the question of if nobody wants to take him for free, how do they plan to unload him when the LTIR time runs out
 
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