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Hating on this horrible person is one thing, rooting for injuries is another.

We are not doing the latter.

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Hating on this horrible person is one thing, rooting for injuries is another.

We are not doing the latter.

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Obviously no one is going to root for injuries for a guy who slapped someone in the back of the head and there are no charges.

But would it be OK to root for injuries because of his multiple assaults on women? What if it was just like a niggling injury that caused him pain but didn't cause him to miss games? Like turf toe, but not full blown.
 

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Y’all are pessimists. This is a story about growth. An athlete who used to take out his anger on women and infants has learned to refocus that rage on adult men. Progress!
 

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Hating on this horrible person is one thing, rooting for injuries is another.

We are not doing the latter.

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A dude who threatens his fiancé and breaks his 2-3 year old’s arm? Nah, I’m okay with rooting for injury. He’s the only athlete I make that exception for.
 

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This brings up an interesting conundrum, does a multimillionaire with a penchant for violence merit the same ire as a reckless billionaire?
To be fair, the billionaire died for his reckless stupidity. The sadistic multimillionaire... Well we won't know if his brain has suffered a fate equal to his victims until the researchers cut his brain into deli-meat thin slices.
 

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A new podcast series just dropped from The Athletic called “The Playcallers.” It’s about the Shanahan-McVay coaching tree, but Mike McDaniel is also a central figure and is interviewed.

Highly recommend any Dolphins fan listening to the episodes. No subscription required. Done by Jourdan Rodrigue, who does some fantastic football journalism with The Athletic.

https://overcast.fm/+jmUidiljM
 

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A new podcast series just dropped from The Athletic called “The Playcallers.” It’s about the Shanahan-McVay coaching tree, but Mike McDaniel is also a central figure and is interviewed.

Highly recommend any Dolphins fan listening to the episodes. No subscription required. Done by Jourdan Rodrigue, who does some fantastic football journalism with The Athletic.

https://overcast.fm/+jmUidiljM
Thanks for this! I really enjoyed it. It's clear McDaniel is his "own guy," much different (in terms of personality) from Shanahan. It'll be interesting to see how MM's offense evolves into it's own version of the scheme.

Miami's first preseason game is about 2 weeks away. Can't wait! Hoping the time prior to the start of the season remains quiet and boring, Tyreek's … mishap aside.
 

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Thanks for this! I really enjoyed it. It's clear McDaniel is his "own guy," much different (in terms of personality) from Shanahan. It'll be interesting to see how MM's offense evolves into it's own version of the scheme.

Miami's first preseason game is about 2 weeks away. Can't wait! Hoping the time prior to the start of the season remains quiet and boring, Tyreek's … mishap aside.
I think McDaniel has already zigged where everyone else zagged.

He came over heralded as the run game coordinator from SF, and everyone expected him to lean into the typical outside zone stuff we’ve seen so many from that tree run.

He comes out and they’re running shotgun PA fakes and RPOs and chucking the ball downfield 18 yards at a clip. He quite simply adapted to the skill players he had at his disposal.

That’s one of the things that gives me a lot of optimism about Mike McDaniel. He didn’t appear to be a guy trying to parrot the Shanahan offense he had been in for so long. He was applying those core philosophies with his own take on it within the context of this roster. That’s high level coaching and what separates the real deal guys from the imposters.
 

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A new podcast series just dropped from The Athletic called “The Playcallers.” It’s about the Shanahan-McVay coaching tree, but Mike McDaniel is also a central figure and is interviewed.

Highly recommend any Dolphins fan listening to the episodes. No subscription required. Done by Jourdan Rodrigue, who does some fantastic football journalism with The Athletic.

https://overcast.fm/+jmUidiljM
Jourdan was on the Around the NFL pod taking about this. Made me want to check it out. Haven’t seen it yet but the clips they played were interesting.
 

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So, obviously not ideal, but I think a lot of people are hanging on “carted off the field” when the reality is practice had ended and there wasn’t any reason to have Ramsey limp all the way back to the locker room.

Also sounded like he got tangled up with Tyreek and it was more of a “contact” injury than a non-contact issue which would probably be worse.

Still trying to be optimistic, but it would be a massive gut punch to lose Ramsey for the season on day 2 of training camp after the injury luck Miami had last year.
 

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So, obviously not ideal, but I think a lot of people are hanging on “carted off the field” when the reality is practice had ended and there wasn’t any reason to have Ramsey limp all the way back to the locker room.

Also sounded like he got tangled up with Tyreek and it was more of a “contact” injury than a non-contact issue which would probably be worse.

Still trying to be optimistic, but it would be a massive gut punch to lose Ramsey for the season on day 2 of training camp after the injury luck Miami had last year.
Team building is so tough in the NFL. Really hard to win without superstars but then the team is left very susceptible to injuries if you do have superstars and they're the guys who happen to get hurt.
 

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Team building is so tough in the NFL. Really hard to win without superstars but then the team is left very susceptible to injuries if you do have superstars and they're the guys who happen to get hurt.
It’s true. Miami might be in an ok position if Ramsey were to miss significant time, but it would knock their secondary from elite to probably just very good.

A Ramsey injury only exacerbates both Miami and Ramsey’s situation of they’re in win now mode with Ramsey maybe at the tail end of his absolute prime.

Gonna continue to hold my breath and hope he just sits out a few days of training camp.
 

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Looks like he could be back by December, if everything goes well with the repair. That isn't early in the regular season.
 

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Looks like he could be back by December, if everything goes well with the repair. That isn't early in the regular season.
My guy, December? A meniscus tear has a 6-8 week recovery timeline not 6-8 months.

Edit: never mind. Looks like more info is coming out and it isn’t going to be a knee scope. He’s having a full meniscus repair. Well, the defense was fun while it lasted. Maybe he’ll be right for the playoffs.

View: https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1684701612617707523?s=20
 

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My guy, December? A meniscus tear has a 6-8 week recovery timeline not 6-8 months.

Edit: never mind. Looks like more info is coming out and it isn’t going to be a knee scope. He’s having a full meniscus repair. Well, the defense was fun while it lasted. Maybe he’ll be right for the playoffs.

View: https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1684701612617707523?s=20
That's just lousy; hate to see that, imagine it happened in the beginning stages of camp with no contact or anything.

The NFL can be cruel; really crappy thing to happen.
 

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Well, I guess that Cam Smith draft pick just became way more important.

FML.
 

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Well, I guess that Cam Smith draft pick just became way more important.

FML.
It sucks as a fan but it's also a not shocking result given the Dolphin's longstanding strategy of spending a lot of assets to make a top heavy roster.

The other catch here is the Dolphins also pushed the cost of Ramsey into the future (especially 2024) so you better hope that he comes back big time next year and even if he does you'll have a 28 million cap hit for him.
 

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My guy, December? A meniscus tear has a 6-8 week recovery timeline not 6-8 months.

Edit: never mind. Looks like more info is coming out and it isn’t going to be a knee scope. He’s having a full meniscus repair. Well, the defense was fun while it lasted. Maybe he’ll be right for the playoffs.

View: https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1684701612617707523?s=20
That sucks for Ramsey/Phins. I wasn't a professional, but as someone who tore his meniscus playing football, had the repair and subsequently re-injured it during rehab, my advice to Ramsey is do not rush back, even if it keeps him from the playoffs. If the meniscus tear worsens and it has to come out it will shorten his career quick.
 

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It sucks as a fan but it's also a not shocking result given the Dolphin's longstanding strategy of spending a lot of assets to make a top heavy roster.

The other catch here is the Dolphins also pushed the cost of Ramsey into the future (especially 2024) so you better hope that he comes back big time next year and even if he does you'll have a 28 million cap hit for him.
The Dolphins roster is actually pretty deep. Yes, they have some big names like Ramsey, but they’ll stay afloat because they still have Howard, Cam Smith, Kader Kohou, Nik Needham, and guys like Crossen and Igbinoghene.

I don’t think the season is sunk, but losing a guy like Ramsey hurts, no matter what the rest of the roster looks like.
 

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My guy, December? A meniscus tear has a 6-8 week recovery timeline not 6-8 months.

Edit: never mind. Looks like more info is coming out and it isn’t going to be a knee scope. He’s having a full meniscus repair. Well, the defense was fun while it lasted. Maybe he’ll be right for the playoffs.
Still a scope, but instead of simply cutting out the torn portion of the meniscus they are trying to put it back together. If it works, better long term (doesn't always work), but meniscus tissue generally heals slowly.

The more typical 4-6 week meniscus recovery timeline is unrelated to what Ramsey had done. Would be lucky if he makes it back by the end of the season.
 

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Makes sense. No complaints about the player or the contract really. Also decent insurance in case Ramsey doesn’t make it back at all this year.

Miami got caught with their pants around their ankles with Byron Jones last year. Glad to see them not repeating that mistake.
Apple's not the dumpster fire he was when he first came in the league. Decent pickup at this point of training camp.

Seahawks might end up with an extra player or two in the secondary, like Artie Burns, to make available to needy teams as well.
 

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miami needs to upgrade their G/C combo next offseason to take a next step
I think center is ok. Connor Williams played surprisingly well in his first season there.

Miami’s weak links are LG and RT. I wouldn’t be surprised at all to see Isaiah Wynn start at LG. RT we’re basically just planning on getting the ball out faster with Tua than Austin Jackson gets beat.
 

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Interesting development: Miami has signed Zach Sieler to a three year extension. This comes after months of negotiations with Wilkins, who has been doing a “hold-in.”

What’s interesting is almost every reported has said that Wilkins has looked like Miami’s best defender all camp. Wilkins and Sieler are both going to be instrumental to the success of this defense as well. Playing with light boxes means the interior defense has to be solid, and Wilkins and Sieler are going to be very important to stopping the run.

For as good as Wilkins is, he has always lagged as a pass rusher. Also, Sieler is 85% of the player Wilkins is for what was a fraction of the price.

Miami still has the ability to tag Wilkins next season. I don’t know if this is the end of the road for Wilkins, but I do think that not overcommitting to him is probably the correct move. If he ascends to the next level this season and plays like Aaron Donald, give him his money. If he doesn’t, and is still an excellent run defender, maybe tag him.

View: https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1695803979215556637?s=20
 

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I think center is ok. Connor Williams played surprisingly well in his first season there.

Miami’s weak links are LG and RT. I wouldn’t be surprised at all to see Isaiah Wynn start at LG. RT we’re basically just planning on getting the ball out faster with Tua than Austin Jackson gets beat.
If you are relying on Wynn, get ready to be disappointed. At either T or G, the guy was inconsistent and injury prone, as I'm sure you know. I assume he's motivated this year but not sure that gets him very far. The one read quick hit offense may help.
 

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If you are relying on Wynn, get ready to be disappointed. At either T or G, the guy was inconsistent and injury prone, as I'm sure you know. I assume he's motivated this year but not sure that gets him very far. The one read quick hit offense may help.
Problem is the alternative is worse. Liam Eichenberg has been an unmitigated disaster most every time he’s in the lineup.

The standard for O Line play is the bottom of the barrel for Miami. Our center is currently snapping balls into orbit after holding out for a new deal, our LT will play in 10 games, and our RT has been both bad and injury prone.
 

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We're finally here! How's everyone feeling?

While a team's SOS can change throughout the course of a season (injuries to other teams' key players, underperforming teams, etc.), the Dolphins (per usual) seem to be set up with one of the most challenging slates. Of course, this season, the same can be said for every AFC East team this year.

Beginning on the West Coast against a loaded Chargers is a tough initial test, but if you got to head out to California, it's best to have it be in Week 1, right?

There's a lot to look forward to in this one, however, I'm most interested in 2 facets:

1) The Vic Fangio effect. Will the defense make its impact right away? To escape with a W, I think it'll have to. Not having Ramsey until much later in the year is a bummer, but with Howard, Kader, Apple, and co., the Dolphins should still be solid on the back end.

2) The running game. I expect Mostert and Ahmed to make their mark in this one, as they both looked primed for big contributions during the preseason. This ties into the OL (no Armstead), as I expect the starting 5 to be Lamm-Wynn-Connor-Hunt-Jackson.

It's too bad that this one will be going at the same time as the Pats-Eagles game, which should be a fun one, as well.
 

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We're finally here! How's everyone feeling?

While a team's SOS can change throughout the course of a season (injuries to other teams' key players, underperforming teams, etc.), the Dolphins (per usual) seem to be set up with one of the most challenging slates. Of course, this season, the same can be said for every AFC East team this year.

Beginning on the West Coast against a loaded Chargers is a tough initial test, but if you got to head out to California, it's best to have it be in Week 1, right?

There's a lot to look forward to in this one, however, I'm most interested in 2 facets:

1) The Vic Fangio effect. Will the defense make its impact right away? To escape with a W, I think it'll have to. Not having Ramsey until much later in the year is a bummer, but with Howard, Kader, Apple, and co., the Dolphins should still be solid on the back end.

2) The running game. I expect Mostert and Ahmed to make their mark in this one, as they both looked primed for big contributions during the preseason. This ties into the OL (no Armstead), as I expect the starting 5 to be Lamm-Wynn-Connor-Hunt-Jackson.

It's too bad that this one will be going at the same time as the Pats-Eagles game, which should be a fun one, as well.
I am bullish on the season, but pessimistic in this game with Armstead out.

What everyone should be looking for is what does Mike McDaniel have cooked up for the first team that made his offense look bad? The Chargers pressed the Dolphins at the LOS and the impact on the timing threw the entire offense into the mud.

They should be leaning more heavily into the running game because LA, like Miami, is going to present them with plenty of light boxes and opportunities to run the ball. Can they execute the run game, and can Mike McDaniel stay disciplined enough to stick with the run game? We do not want to be in 3rd and 8 with Bosa and Mack coming off the edge against Kendall Lamm and Austin Jackson.

Another interesting wrinkle will be Fangio’s defense, which is built to stop explosives, against Kellen Moore and Justin Herbert, who both probably want to come out and set a different tone than last year. Lombardi’s offense was very west coast based and lots of underneath routes and checkdowns, despite having one of the more gifted passers in the league at his disposal. Will they try and force the ball downfield more, or will we see something more like what LA was last year for this game?

I want to say that with Tua and a healthy Waddle and Tyreek, Miami can scheme up the game plan and work around Armstead being out. I feel like LA is going to come out with a similar game plan if only to give Bosa and Mack that extra half second to rush the passer. Can Miami counter that with motion and bunches and stacks in the pass game and can they run the ball against a team that invites the run.
 

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I'm not sure how much Miami can depend on Armstead at this point. He seems to be completely broken down. Honestly, I'd be floored if he managed to start/finish and play well in 10 games. Despite this, I am (cautiously) encouraged by how the team's OT alternatives -- Lamm, Smith, Wynn -- played in the preseason. I'm also a big fan of Robert Jones, who will be another quality option at guard in a few weeks, if Wynn struggles or needs to move outside. I think that, overall, the contingency plans are improved this year.

All that said, it can't be understated how stacked this Chargers team is this year. It's crazy to me how Herbert remains relatively ... protected? ... by the national media. Where's the "no more excuses" crap Tua had to deal with last year? LA has a Super Bowl roster. If they don't make the playoffs and advance at least one round ...

I'll be giddy if the Dolphins pull this one off because with the state of the AFC East, every win will be so, so valuable. It looks like Achane is a healthy scratch today, so it'll be Mostert/Ahmed/Brooks on the ground today.
 

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I'm not sure how much Miami can depend on Armstead at this point. He seems to be completely broken down. Honestly, I'd be floored if he managed to start/finish and play well in 10 games. Despite this, I am (cautiously) encouraged by how the team's OT alternatives -- Lamm, Smith, Wynn -- played in the preseason. I'm also a big fan of Robert Jones, who will be another quality option at guard in a few weeks, if Wynn struggles or needs to move outside. I think that, overall, the contingency plans are improved this year.

All that said, it can't be understated how stacked this Chargers team is this year. It's crazy to me how Herbert remains relatively ... protected? ... by the national media. Where's the "no more excuses" crap Tua had to deal with last year? LA has a Super Bowl roster. If they don't make the playoffs and advance at least one round ...

I'll be giddy if the Dolphins pull this one off because with the state of the AFC East, every win will be so, so valuable. It looks like Achane is a healthy scratch today, so it'll be Mostert/Ahmed/Brooks on the ground today.
To be objective and fair to Herbert, he’s played incredible and last year he was hurt. The Chargers have problems, but Herbert isn’t one of them.

Guys like Herbert and Lawrence will always, always get the benefit of the doubt because they have physical “wow” tools. When you see a guy with Herbert’s tools finishing near tue bottom of the league in ADoT, something feels off. Now if he goes through this season, after changing coordinators and after drafting a field stretching WR early in the draft, and is still in the bottom half of the league in ADoT, you can start to say that’s a feature not a bug with Justin Herbert.

Tua is a much more physically limited player, so his leash, at least with the media, is much shorter. They completely discount his ability to diagnose the play before the snap, and his insane ability to get rid of the ball quickly and accurately. We saw this offense with and without Tua last year, and it looked wildly different with Tua at QB.

The flip side is when things aren’t perfect and you need the QB to make a special play, Tua’s cracks start to show. He has the mentality and willingness to do that, but his mobility is average and his arm isn’t strong enough to make those game breaking plays off-platform.

I’m also with you on Armstead. They barely even let him participate in the off-season, and he got hurt about 3 plays into a joint practice and missed the the entire preseason. I think they’re correctly prioritizing him being healthy later in the year instead of Week 1.
 

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Guys like Herbert and Lawrence will always, always get the benefit of the doubt because they have physical “wow” tools. When you see a guy with Herbert’s tools finishing near the bottom of the league in ADoT, something feels off. Now if he goes through this season, after changing coordinators and after drafting a field stretching WR early in the draft and is still in the bottom half of the league in ADoT, you can start to say that’s a feature not a bug with Justin Herbert.
I think that my perspective is affected by the memory of Phillip Rivers. Similar tools. 17 seasons. 1 AFC Championship game.

It's a reminder that coach/system fit and intangibles matter. And the "prototype" is overrated.

Tua being healthy for the entire season will be huge for many reasons, of course, but one underappreciated aspect will be for the benefit of Tua being able to focus on other areas of development, such as making plays outside structure, when necessary.
 

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I think that my perspective is affected by the memory of Phillip Rivers. Similar tools. 17 seasons. 1 AFC Championship game.

It's a reminder that coach/system fit and intangibles matter. And the "prototype" is overrated.

Tua being healthy for the entire season will be huge for many reasons, of course, but one underappreciated aspect will be for the benefit of Tua being able to focus on other areas of development, such as making plays outside structure, when necessary.
I think if there’s one thing that people should have figured out in the last few years is that coaching and fit matter just as much, if not more, than raw talent.
 

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Gigantic W to start the season, especially when you consider that Miami and LA could be fighting for a playoff spot down the stretch. Having a win is huge.

What can I say about Tua? He was taking some chances in the first half, and probably was a little reckless throwing a lob ball up to his smallest receiver against their biggest DB in the end zone while they were in FG range.

Apart from that, he was masterful. His aggression in pushing the ball down field just kept leading to chunk play after chunk play. The final drive he made two absolute wow plays. The ball where he escaped the rush, stepped up, and slung a dart to Tyreek on the move was a thing of beauty. The TD pass to Hill left me absolutely stunned. He feathered a perfect ball into a non existent gap over the defenders shoulder. Just sublime.

Mike McDaniel came ready for this game. He didn’t stick with the run game like I thought they would have, but when Tua and Tyreek are bumming, it’s hard not to dial it up.

The run defense is going to need work. The defense was determined to not let Herbert beat them deep, and instead it beat up in the ground. Tackling is always bad to start the year but they have a lot to clean up. Would expect the Patriots to be happy to play ball control offense next weekend with the running game.

Credit to Fangio for dialing up the pressure when they needed to hold the line at the end of the game. Chargers had no answers on the final drive when they actually started sending pressure. That’s the feel that you’re paying Vic for. Game on the line and need to keep them out of FG range? It’s time to stop playing passively and attack.
 

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Week 2. Biggest news so far is that Terron Armstead has practiced two days in a row and appears to be trending towards playing.

Normally, I would say this is great news. And it is. However, Armstead is made of glass and is still nursing knee, foot, and back injuries while getting almost zero training camp or practice reps.

I would be more than ok with sitting Armstead and giving him another week after seeing Kendall Lamm against LA. We don’t need Armstead at 75% in September. We need Armstead at as close to 100% as possible in December and January.
 

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How's the Oline looking? Healthwise and performance? That was one area that it seemed the Pats may have an advantage this week, and they will need to to disrupt the quick timing routes.
 
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Two OL who started last week for the Patriots look like they won't play this week, and Tyreek-neutralizer-ish Jonathon Jones hasn't practiced for a couple days due to an ankle. I have been at least a little confident heading into this game, but taking on Miami down those three would make it pretty challenging.
 

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I would be more than ok with sitting Armstead and giving him another week after seeing Kendall Lamm against LA. We don’t need Armstead at 75% in September. We need Armstead at as close to 100% as possible in December and January.
I agree 100% and think it's more likely that he rests another week, despite finally practicing. My #1 concern about the Pats is there very tough, physical front; thus, I prefer to see Miami roll out the unit that's played the most together this offseason. Let TA practice another week and get the rust off versus Denver at home.

I'm also expecting Fangio to call a more aggressive gameplan this week. I think NE will run and dink and dunk effectively otherwise.