2023 Jets: Hello Darkness Retreat, My Old Friend
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For me it's the "Tom Brady takes it up the ass in his ugg boots" "Time to play smear the queer" type comments that were all over TGG when NE was demolishing them yearly en route to the Super Bowl. Homophobic fucks deserve Wilson level QB play for ever. I enjoy seeing bad things happen to bad people.
(I'm not naive enough to think that the Jets are the only team to have these kinds of fans, nor that they represent all of the couple million people who root at least somewhat for the NYJ. But I was exposed to a lot of them at a somewhat formative period in my life, and so the Jets are like an avatar of bigotry in my mind, and their continued sucking a small piece of justice in a f ked up world).
Definitely did, but.... I never am going to feel bad for Gardner who is by far the handsiest guy in the league and should get called for 5-7 penalties a game easy
Rooting for the Jets in this lost season, just because I know it pisses off Aaron when they win without him.
This play, with a fun PBP call, was like taking drugs. So exciting.
View: https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/1718723047954239729?s=46&t=WNUE08imv33kOt1BO6WMzQ
View: https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/1718723047954239729?s=46&t=WNUE08imv33kOt1BO6WMzQ
Watching it live I thought they didn’t run any time off the clock, but watching it frame by frame it is clear that the ball was snapped with two seconds, not one second left, so they did run time off the clock after the snap. Thibodeaux also may have been offside, and he did it just two plays after his offside penalty stopped the clock and thus gave the Jets the chance to get into FG range at all.
There were only 2 plays before the FG. KT was offside both times (only called on previous play). He had a phenomenal game otherwise.
It’s nuts that this happened.
Ouch
Jets head coach Robert Saleh, while appearing on The Michael Kay Show on Tuesday, shockingly opted to "plead the fifth" when asked why the team is not benching struggling quarterback Zach Wilson.
Jets head coach Robert Saleh, while appearing on The Michael Kay Show on Tuesday, shockingly opted to "plead the fifth" when asked why the team is not benching struggling quarterback Zach Wilson.
Here's the interview. Not as bad as it sounds from that quote, imo. Saleh does answer the question albeit in normal coach speak talking about how everyone needs to be better.
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Your head coach just said in response to why Trevor Sieman is not starting "I don't know" on national radio...and when pressed, pleaded the 5th on Zach Wilson?
View: https://twitter.com/DamonAmendo/status/1722037634246058103
View: https://twitter.com/DamonAmendo/status/1722037634246058103
In all fairness, and saying this as somebody who ultimately wants Saleh fired at season's end, what's he (or Joe D for that matter) supposed to say there? Especially if you are reasonably translating that out as his first indirect admission that "it's not my call to make". Saleh is already stewing enough in the hot water without kicking the blame game upstairs and outright calling out Woody. Or more damning yet current media darling Rodgers himself, and just how potentially deep that seemingly bottomless pit of "we have to be considerate of Aaron's every want/need/feelings" has dug itself in the backround.
On that latter I'm actually half amazed that a few clearly unsustainable type wins, fresh off last year's complete collapse in the 2nd half once that same eearily similar run of luck ran out, has been largely enough to keep the NY media from turning the narrative page there. Especially when it's pretty damn easy to basically trace every single current weak point and team building failure to the all those flip side reality sacrifices the team made in the process of bringing Rodgers in. Under the now even more easily to acknowledge as flawed hope that a 40yo QB, coming off a decline year and playing behind what was easily projected to be a notably worse OL, was somehow still going to massively triumph over all those step backwards the team was then forced into taking everywhere else:
1. You had to make the worst OC hire in NFL history, and simply ignore the surrounding reality that was likely going to be an absolute terrible pairing with a strictly defensive minded HC.
2. You had to be much less agressive then a lot were initially hoping in the OL free agent market while needing to account for the huge influx in Roders' accompanying cap expenses.
3. You had to pass on a fair amount of clearly better NFL QBs then Zach Wilson who all went on to sign fairly inexpensive 1 year deals to be backups elsewhere. Some who had arguably better QB metrics then Rodgers last year mind you, and which again was still leaving Zach in a position to be the go-to behind a 40yo QB not named Tom Brady.
4. You had to pass on a more legit playmaker WR in Jakobi Myers to pair opposite of GW, and instead topped the market paying MORE money out to a new always questionable hands #2 In Lazard. Who besides scattering up a few good fantasy stat games has literally no-showed every single step up on offense opportunity his entire career.
5. You had to give up the opportunity to draft what was by far the team's greatest area of need in the 1st round, and instead ended up panic picking into a weekly healthy scratch candidate on defense in a "go for it now" year.
6. You had to give up a second round pick this year and next, and which among a plethora of other roster upgrade possibilities likely would have otherwise left you in a great spot to trade up and trump the Tenn offer on Levis once you saw him fall to the 2nd.
7. You had to throw a large chunk of what little crucial financial flexibility you had left going in to the season away on aging and clearly in decline RB. Which beyond putting a bad after-logic spin on the decision to take yet another now weekly healthy scratch canidate RB with your 3rd pick in the draft, wasn't even better then an already in house MC still on his rookie deal.
If it ain't Saleh making the call then the in-season has arguably just been more of the same too on the speculative side suggesting more potential Rodgers influenced setbacks. We go from universally outing Zach as a QB anybody in the org wants starting games and wasting what winning window this defensive unit gives us....to Aaron coming in and a then inexplicably stonewall stance that we can't/won't consider bringing in somebody else who might be able to give us a more reasonable chance for the team to succeed (or even challenge Zach for the job) after Rodgers goes down? How much more obvious can it be that this team is still desperately lacking a better offensive mind in coach room....yet we can't fire or even consider demoting Hackett because why exactly again? We crowd the WR room early on with Rodgers' non factor buddies to the point we'd rather dress a cooked Cobb to cheerlead during games then give a guy like Hardman a legit opportunity to contribute, and then trade Hardman away for basically nothing while simutaneously claiming the search for a badly needed stretch the field WR is somehow the main priority heading into the trade deadline?
Or maybe it'll ultimately just have to wait until after the coup de gras gets delivered in the form of watching the Jets essentially make the same surrounding sacrifices everywhere else and again this upcoming winter. In the equally delusional hope that sparing no expense to bring in Rodgers' 31yo $30m/per WR buddy is somehow going to lead to a different trainwreck result then this year will turn out to be. /rant over until next offseason when I'll be the one fan in the room not cheering that on as a good thing.
On that latter I'm actually half amazed that a few clearly unsustainable type wins, fresh off last year's complete collapse in the 2nd half once that same eearily similar run of luck ran out, has been largely enough to keep the NY media from turning the narrative page there. Especially when it's pretty damn easy to basically trace every single current weak point and team building failure to the all those flip side reality sacrifices the team made in the process of bringing Rodgers in. Under the now even more easily to acknowledge as flawed hope that a 40yo QB, coming off a decline year and playing behind what was easily projected to be a notably worse OL, was somehow still going to massively triumph over all those step backwards the team was then forced into taking everywhere else:
1. You had to make the worst OC hire in NFL history, and simply ignore the surrounding reality that was likely going to be an absolute terrible pairing with a strictly defensive minded HC.
2. You had to be much less agressive then a lot were initially hoping in the OL free agent market while needing to account for the huge influx in Roders' accompanying cap expenses.
3. You had to pass on a fair amount of clearly better NFL QBs then Zach Wilson who all went on to sign fairly inexpensive 1 year deals to be backups elsewhere. Some who had arguably better QB metrics then Rodgers last year mind you, and which again was still leaving Zach in a position to be the go-to behind a 40yo QB not named Tom Brady.
4. You had to pass on a more legit playmaker WR in Jakobi Myers to pair opposite of GW, and instead topped the market paying MORE money out to a new always questionable hands #2 In Lazard. Who besides scattering up a few good fantasy stat games has literally no-showed every single step up on offense opportunity his entire career.
5. You had to give up the opportunity to draft what was by far the team's greatest area of need in the 1st round, and instead ended up panic picking into a weekly healthy scratch candidate on defense in a "go for it now" year.
6. You had to give up a second round pick this year and next, and which among a plethora of other roster upgrade possibilities likely would have otherwise left you in a great spot to trade up and trump the Tenn offer on Levis once you saw him fall to the 2nd.
7. You had to throw a large chunk of what little crucial financial flexibility you had left going in to the season away on aging and clearly in decline RB. Which beyond putting a bad after-logic spin on the decision to take yet another now weekly healthy scratch canidate RB with your 3rd pick in the draft, wasn't even better then an already in house MC still on his rookie deal.
If it ain't Saleh making the call then the in-season has arguably just been more of the same too on the speculative side suggesting more potential Rodgers influenced setbacks. We go from universally outing Zach as a QB anybody in the org wants starting games and wasting what winning window this defensive unit gives us....to Aaron coming in and a then inexplicably stonewall stance that we can't/won't consider bringing in somebody else who might be able to give us a more reasonable chance for the team to succeed (or even challenge Zach for the job) after Rodgers goes down? How much more obvious can it be that this team is still desperately lacking a better offensive mind in coach room....yet we can't fire or even consider demoting Hackett because why exactly again? We crowd the WR room early on with Rodgers' non factor buddies to the point we'd rather dress a cooked Cobb to cheerlead during games then give a guy like Hardman a legit opportunity to contribute, and then trade Hardman away for basically nothing while simutaneously claiming the search for a badly needed stretch the field WR is somehow the main priority heading into the trade deadline?
Or maybe it'll ultimately just have to wait until after the coup de gras gets delivered in the form of watching the Jets essentially make the same surrounding sacrifices everywhere else and again this upcoming winter. In the equally delusional hope that sparing no expense to bring in Rodgers' 31yo $30m/per WR buddy is somehow going to lead to a different trainwreck result then this year will turn out to be. /rant over until next offseason when I'll be the one fan in the room not cheering that on as a good thing.
Discussed elsewhere but figured I'd update here - after only 96 total yards yesterday at Buffalo, WIlson has been demoted straight to third-string.
https://nypost.com/2023/11/20/sports/zach-wilson-banished-to-third-string-for-jets-against-dolphins/
There were also a ton of increasing rumors this week the Jets will go after Davante Adams this offseason - maybe a last gasp for this coach/GM regime to succeed.
https://nypost.com/2023/11/20/sports/zach-wilson-banished-to-third-string-for-jets-against-dolphins/
There were also a ton of increasing rumors this week the Jets will go after Davante Adams this offseason - maybe a last gasp for this coach/GM regime to succeed.
Tim Boyle being in the NFL is hilarious.
Played 3 years as a backup for UCONN (a bad team).. He threw 275 passes. Completed 48% of them, 1 TD to 13 INT and an AY/A of 2.4
He then transferred down a level to FCS (old 1AA)... where he completed 61% of his passes, 11 TD, 13INT.
Somehow he ended up in the NFL, where he has completed 61% of his passes, 3 TD, 9 INT and an ANY/A of 1.98
Played 3 years as a backup for UCONN (a bad team).. He threw 275 passes. Completed 48% of them, 1 TD to 13 INT and an AY/A of 2.4
He then transferred down a level to FCS (old 1AA)... where he completed 61% of his passes, 11 TD, 13INT.
Somehow he ended up in the NFL, where he has completed 61% of his passes, 3 TD, 9 INT and an ANY/A of 1.98
He's a well known Hackett guy and personal friend. Plus he already has Rodgers aceeptable BU QB stamp of approval. So while it is hilarious, at the same time it does essentially fit the 2023 theme of how this team is being run.
Good for them for finally putting Zach down though. Seriously. I literally can't recall ever seeing another QB playing as clearly petrified to make a mistake as Zach has been these last few weeks. He looks miserable playing the game with that immediate and almost over-correction instinct that has been drilled into him to immediately throw the ball into the ground at the first whiff of trouble. To the point I genuinely believe there is a big part of him that is glad this football chapter is all but over. Because Zach Wilson is not ultimately catching on elsewhere with pretty much zero redeeming qualities you ideally look for in a failed potential guy who now needs to transition over to being fulltime backup QB option.
I forgive you. Early congrats on the 7 figure job with your uncle at Jet Blue we'll find you in a few years from now when they do that "where are they now?" piece.
Idk. The guy has physical traits. And while brattish, doesn't seem to have done anything irredeemable on the personal conduct side. Unless I missed something. I think he'll get another chance. He needs to go somewhere and let it rip. At least then he goes out swinging. (I have no idea where that could be.) I'd rather take a flier on him than McCorkle.
I think Daboll should sign him once released as a backup to whoever they draft in terms of fit but he might need to get out of NYC.
Zach Wilson is basically David Carr 2.0, with the accompanying PTSD from shitty line play and getting beat up. Maybe he can catch on and develop in a better situation, but it will be tough.
The problem is, as I see it, that Zach Wilson is a terrible QB and sucks at everything required to be a good QB.
He's much worse than Mac. And Mac is bad.
It's not just that though. I mean maybe I'm reading to much into what glimpses we do get into locker culture stuff, but nothing there suggests to me that Zach is the kind of guy that will ever be well liked (or much less "one of the guys") in a locker room. I mean other then Rodgers blatantly playing it up for the cameras, or Garrett Wilson's over-the-top fake endorsement of Zach being his guy this year (which 100% btw/imo amounts to a chess move on Garrett's part to at least salvage the opportunity to put up better stats with his league leading target share that has morphed out of it), the guy might as well have been seen sitting alone on the bench in every quick clip of the sideline i can remember seeing of him.
When you are talking about full time backup guys who more or less exist to help prep the people around them, and who you are running out to find a replacement for that following Monday in the event something does happen to your starter, I just think stuff like that matters. Plus I just don't see Zach signing up for that. That's not the dream, and unlike a lot of other guys I'm guessing he likely has much easier time finding/accepting a new path in life that doesn't involve football.
Yeah, I guess Zach would be 3.0.
Darnold's completion and interception percentages match Carr's exactly. But Carr's sack percentage of 10.54% is closer to Wilson's 9.99% than Sam's 7.48%.
I'm baffled who has incentive to leak that? Zach's camp likely doesn't, the Jets look like clowns for going to Boyle, then Sieman then back to Zach.....
I guess maybe Rodgers' guys?
What an amazing cycle for the Douglas/Salah regime:
1. Replace your top 2 pick with a vet (understandable it's Rodgers)
2. Hold onto him as the backup (why not trade him for anything at all?)
3. Do nothing for your O-line, so your aging vet gets injured.
4. "We totally believed in Zach, he's our QB"
5. Don't add anyone to the room who is legit.
6. Make vague statements in coach press conferences implying you don't want to play him and didn't want to draft him.
7. Bench him for a guy who has no business in the league, make a big deal about how he's going to be inactive (ie done with NYJ)
8. When the worst scrub in the league is indeed terrible, go to your terrible 4th stringer.
9. Realize Zach was clearly your best QB, beg him to come back after you spent weeks shitting on him.
Edit- the biggest thing for me is... they didn;t just bench him, they made a bunch of passive aggressive stuff, they made it clear they felt it was all his fault.... now they did that to save their own jobs, but..... you have to stick to it. You can't backtrack it all 2 weeks later. Like even the Patriots who are in a similar spot. They to the end never shittalked Mac publicly, even when they went with Zappe it was "felt Zappe earned a shot". They won't go back to Mac, but even knowing that they handled it professionally.... Jets.
1. Replace your top 2 pick with a vet (understandable it's Rodgers)
2. Hold onto him as the backup (why not trade him for anything at all?)
3. Do nothing for your O-line, so your aging vet gets injured.
4. "We totally believed in Zach, he's our QB"
5. Don't add anyone to the room who is legit.
6. Make vague statements in coach press conferences implying you don't want to play him and didn't want to draft him.
7. Bench him for a guy who has no business in the league, make a big deal about how he's going to be inactive (ie done with NYJ)
8. When the worst scrub in the league is indeed terrible, go to your terrible 4th stringer.
9. Realize Zach was clearly your best QB, beg him to come back after you spent weeks shitting on him.
Edit- the biggest thing for me is... they didn;t just bench him, they made a bunch of passive aggressive stuff, they made it clear they felt it was all his fault.... now they did that to save their own jobs, but..... you have to stick to it. You can't backtrack it all 2 weeks later. Like even the Patriots who are in a similar spot. They to the end never shittalked Mac publicly, even when they went with Zappe it was "felt Zappe earned a shot". They won't go back to Mac, but even knowing that they handled it professionally.... Jets.
Correct. Fuck these guys. If Zach was the best in practice, which he so clearly was . Play him and tell people he is the best QB we have and that is it. Saleh looks like a clown.
Now Jeff Howe reporting that Wilson has said that if the Jets directly asked him to start, he would. Clown show.
Huh.
Earlier heard some speculation Wilson's camp wants him to be cut so he can audition elsewhere given it's clear NY is never going to work.
Seems like he's forcing their hand... either publicly declare me the starter in an admission that benching me was a mistake... or let me go to a team that is interested in rehabbing my career.
Earlier heard some speculation Wilson's camp wants him to be cut so he can audition elsewhere given it's clear NY is never going to work.
Seems like he's forcing their hand... either publicly declare me the starter in an admission that benching me was a mistake... or let me go to a team that is interested in rehabbing my career.
Like, an actual Jet? From EWR? What an odd scene. For the "it can't get any worse" crowd with respect to BB and the Pats, oh yes it can.
View: https://twitter.com/DMRussini/status/1731775804869095636
Good to know that Russini's source is Rodgers or someone close to him.
Good to know that Russini's source is Rodgers or someone close to him.
There is a major and completely contradicting problem to your timeline there. Like I initially was doing myself you are leaving out the part where the same exact FO regime duo benched Zach Wilson mid-season last year, and by every account went into this past off-season 100% committed to the concept idea that Zach could *NOT* be this team's 2023 QB1. To the extent our PR team was even practically falling all over themselves from the instant the offseason opened to get the report out that they Jets would first in line exploring all options to bring in that new QB. With there rationally being only one meaningful variable to that equation that changed between then, and the immediate post-Rodgers injury stance the same regime took a few month latter immediately after Rodgers went down. With that one variable mind you who was then already prepping to lay that foundation of "I'm coming back this year!" claims that would naturally be keeping him in the headlines and his narrative role as this team's savior intact.
If you include that at the start, and without a known instance of the Multiverse opening up a portal and swapping our FO with their early 2021 counterparts.....the inexplicable resurrection of that Zach is Our Unquestioned QB1 stuff driving much of that as a JD/Saleh driven fail just doesn't logically add up. Much less better then a liklihood it was more a product of Rodgers wanting/demanding it. Which if so that traces back to Woody and more of the empowerment he handed out to Rodgers that everybody else has been having to work around from the start.
Can't they just tell him he's starting, and if he refuses, they can probably discipline him without pay?
I'm honestly not sure whatever Rodgers is able to do for the Jets next year is going to make dealing with his nonsense for another year worthwhile.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39048539/aaron-rodgers-defends-zach-wilson-scolds-jets-leaks-media
I don't dispute that Rodgers brings his own brand of nonsense to an organization, but this isn't it. He's right. And good on him for backing up his teammate.
If Wilson is asked to play, instead of answering can he plead the fifth?