2023 Jets: Hello Darkness Retreat, My Old Friend

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I'm looking at teams carrying three QBs, with the thought that they may be willing to trade one of their two backups. Eliminating teams where one of those two is a rookie, and we are looking at guys like Case Keenum, or finding out whether the Steelers will move Trubisky or Mason Rudolph.
 

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Any chance they could fit Stafford into their budget? Rams are obviously rebuilding, and this would increase their odds to bottom out.
The Jets can. They would just take on his salary, which is only 1.5M this season.

But the Rams would have to take on a massive dead cap hit if they trade him.
 

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If on the mentalist they brought in for the 1st episode of Hard Knocks saw this coming.
They needed to buy the Platinum package for things like injury predictions, sex scandals, and criminal charges. They only paid for the Silver package which includes things like “What number am I thinking of?”
 

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When Kevin Durant had a calf injury followed by an Achilles tear, people were KILLING the Warriors for allegedly "rushing KD back." I'm surprised that we have not yet heard similar unhappiness with the Jets' medical staff despite Rodgers seemingly following the same path -- significant calf injury>Achilles tear.
 

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So NY gets it’s first round pick back from GB as pick now becomes 2nd rounder
 

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When Kevin Durant had a calf injury followed by an Achilles tear, people were KILLING the Warriors for allegedly "rushing KD back." I'm surprised that we have not yet heard similar unhappiness with the Jets' medical staff despite Rodgers seemingly following the same path -- significant calf injury>Achilles tear.
This one from May? Doesn't sound significant or recent enough to be what you're referring to. Not 100% sure what prior calf injury we're talking about, I did not watch Hard Knocks so maybe missed something.

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/report-aaron-rodgers-has-calf-strain-thats-considered-minor
 

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So NY gets it’s first round pick back from GB as pick now becomes 2nd rounder
So they were talking about this on the radio today. Saying that the Jets should be willing to trade the first for another QB now. Setting aside whether or not that is a smart strategy my question for people who know more than me is, can they?
I feel like that wouldn’t be allowed because, even though we know Rodgers won’t hit the snap threshold, the trade won’t be fully executed until the season ends.
 

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So they were talking about this on the radio today. Saying that the Jets should be willing to trade the first for another QB now. Setting aside whether or not that is a smart strategy my question for people who know more than me is, can they?
I feel like that wouldn’t be allowed because, even though we know Rodgers won’t hit the snap threshold, the trade won’t be fully executed until the season ends.
I think they could. It would just be conditional in the same way the Rodgers trade was, but both sides would know that it's a first rounder. (A second that becomes a first if....).
 

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So they were talking about this on the radio today. Saying that the Jets should be willing to trade the first for another QB now. Setting aside whether or not that is a smart strategy my question for people who know more than me is, can they?
I feel like that wouldn’t be allowed because, even though we know Rodgers won’t hit the snap threshold, the trade won’t be fully executed until the season ends.
They can trade it but just make it conditional. Like they say it is a 2025 1st round round pick that converts to a 2024 first round pick if the conditions on the Rodgers trade aren’t met.

At least that’s how it works in other leagues but maybe the NFL has a dumb rule.
 
This is really, really wild. Has any big time free agent/ traded player in any sport gone down for the year this quickly ever?
Morbidly, the soccer player Emiliano Sala.

Cardiff City agreed to pay £15m to buy him from Nantes on 18th/19th Jan 2019. Having completed his medical he flew back to Nantes to collect personal belongings and say his goodbyes. Returning to Cardiff on the 21st in preparation for his debut on the 22nd, he and his pilot were killed when their plane crashed in the English Channel.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emiliano_Sala
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transfer_of_Emiliano_Sala_from_FC_Nantes_to_Cardiff_City_F.C.

Cue much unsavoury fighting about whether the transfer fee would or should be paid & various conspiracy theories about the cause of the crash.
 

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I am a Kaep supporter and think what the league did to him over him daring to voice some opinions that are unpopular with a large segment of the NFL fan base is absolute dogshit. But he’s almost 36 now and hasn’t played a down of meaningful football since 2016. It sucks that he was robbed of a bunch of years where at worst he would have been a competent backup QB, but at this point I don’t think he’s a realistic option. Would love to be wrong on this, though.
 

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Kaepernick was mostly shit for a couple years prior to 2016. Can’t imagine he’d be any better than the current crop of scrapheap backups even if he’d been holding a clipboard the last few seasons.
 

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I am a Kaep supporter and think what the league did to him over him daring to voice some opinions that are unpopular with a large segment of the NFL fan base is absolute dogshit. But he’s almost 36 now and hasn’t played a down of meaningful football since 2016. It sucks that he was robbed of a bunch of years where at worst he would have been a competent backup QB, but at this point I don’t think he’s a realistic option. Would love to be wrong on this, though.
I also think it's horeshit how he was treated but if he was really serious about playing he would have figured out a way to put something on tape in the USFL, XFL, CFL whatever in this intervening period. Go dominate and drum up more fan support, put teams in a more difficult position to ignore him. These statements feel like publicity stunts but not a lot more.
 

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I also think it's horeshit how he was treated but if he was really serious about playing he would have figured out a way to put something on tape in the USFL, XFL, CFL whatever in this intervening period. Go dominate and drum up more fan support, put teams in a more difficult position to ignore him. These statements feel like publicity stunts but not a lot more.
Give it 30 years. Teams will start retiring his number.
 

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I am a Kaep supporter and think what the league did to him over him daring to voice some opinions that are unpopular with a large segment of the NFL fan base is absolute dogshit. But he’s almost 36 now and hasn’t played a down of meaningful football since 2016. It sucks that he was robbed of a bunch of years where at worst he would have been a competent backup QB, but at this point I don’t think he’s a realistic option. Would love to be wrong on this, though.
A corollary to the "quickly injured traded player" question is "how long a career layoff is too long?"
 

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but like Icarus, he flew too close to the sun and that was his Achilles heel.
 

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I'd call the Commanders for Jacoby Brissett.
While it makes a lot of sense, that's a team with a coach and GM on the hot seat who went 8-8 last year and went out of their way to upgrade backup QB (signing Brissett on good money), seems unlikely they make that move until the deadline (if they are looking bad).
 

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I'd call the Commanders for Jacoby Brissett.
Sam Howell has thrown 50 passes in the NFL and they only have Jake Fromm on the PS. They also hold delusions of competing. I can't see them trading their only veteran QB.
 

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While it makes a lot of sense, that's a team with a coach and GM on the hot seat who went 8-8 last year and went out of their way to upgrade backup QB (signing Brissett on good money), seems unlikely they make that move until the deadline (if they are looking bad).
Sam Howell has thrown 50 passes in the NFL and they only have Jake Fromm on the PS. They also hold delusions of competing. I can't see them trading their only veteran QB.
I think this applies to nearly every team's backup. Trading your backup today means your season is over if your starter gets hurt. I just don't see how any team is going to get comfortable doing that. As discussed above, maybe teams carrying a third QB would move their third QB, but those guys aren't guaranteed to be better than Wilson.

Another thing to consider: the Jets' schedule before their bye is: @DAL, NE, KC, @DEN, PHI. Not even Aaron Rodgers was winning more than 3 of those games, and winning more than 2 seems incredibly unlikely. Bringing in a guy like Colt McCoy or Matt Ryan today means that he can learn the offense and get into game shape for several weeks before you need him.

Another problem is that since Wilson's salary is significant, it'll be hard to send him over as part of a trade if the Jets wanted to try to sell him as a guy another team might be able to develop into something as a backup (which would lessen the impact of them trading their backup to the Jets).
 

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The Cardinals are really the only team that as of this week can be reasonably said to be not competing for a playoff spot. Yes, Carolina, Houston, Indy, and Washington all have long odds, but you can squint and see those first two divisions being up for grabs and while the NFC East almost certainly isn't, the Commanders can dream on a wild card spot. As such, I just can't see any high quality backup getting traded until week 4 or 5, and it gets late out there early as they say. If Wilson's winning, it's probably not worth significant draft capital, and assuming he's not, how in the race will the Jets be when any of those teams are ready to sell?
 
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It really has to be Wentz. There isn't realistically anyone else out there unless you consider Cam Newton available.
 

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Sam Howell has thrown 50 passes in the NFL and they only have Jake Fromm on the PS. They also hold delusions of competing. I can't see them trading their only veteran QB.
He definitely wouldn't be free. He was brought in for a reason. But I think we're now at a point were he is more valuable to the Jets than he is to the Commanders, so you'd think that delta could be translated to a draft pick and it could be a win for the Jets, Commanders, and Brissett.

While it makes a lot of sense, that's a team with a coach and GM on the hot seat who went 8-8 last year and went out of their way to upgrade backup QB (signing Brissett on good money), seems unlikely they make that move until the deadline (if they are looking bad).
But this is a good point. Rivera probably won't be around to use that pick, so he probably wouldn't look at it as a win for him. If only Washington had an owner willing to get involved in personnel decisions...
 

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The Cardinals are really the only team that as of this week can be reasonably said to be not competing for a playoff spot. Yes, Carolina, Houston, Indy, and Washington all have long odds, but you can squint and see those first two divisions being up for grabs and while the NFC East almost certainly isn't, the Commanders can dream on a wild card spot. As such, I just can't see any high quality backup getting traded until week 4 or 5, and it gets late out there early as they say. If Wilson's winning, it's probably not worth significant draft capital, and assuming he's not, how in the race will the Jets be when any of those teams are ready to sell?
The backups for three of those teams are Andy Dalton, Davis Mills, Brissette (already discussed). Are we sure Mills or the corpse of Andy Dalton is better than Zach Wilson?

Minshew and Sam Ehrlinger are the Colts' backups, but Anthony Richardson is already hurt, so I doubt Ehrlinger is going anywhere.

John Wolford is on the Rams' practice squad. I think I'd sign him if I were the Jets. He's shown some competence at the NFL level. The rest of the practice squad QBs with NFL experience are uninspiring - Jeff Driskel, Brett Rypien, Ben DiNucci, Jake Fromm, PJ Walker.

Just realized that this guy (Nathan Rourke) is on the Jags' practice squad: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/BKWC3uQc2Q0
 

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The backups for three of those teams are Andy Dalton, Davis Mills, Brissette (already discussed). Are we sure Mills or the corpse of Andy Dalton is better than Zach Wilson?

Minshew and Sam Ehrlinger are the Colts' backups, but Anthony Richardson is already hurt, so I doubt Ehrlinger is going anywhere.

John Wolford is on the Rams' practice squad. I think I'd sign him if I were the Jets. He's shown some competence at the NFL level. The rest of the practice squad QBs with NFL experience are uninspiring - Jeff Driskel, Brett Rypien, Ben DiNucci, Jake Fromm, PJ Walker.

Just realized that this guy (Nathan Rourke) is on the Jags' practice squad: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/BKWC3uQc2Q0
Seems like Mills could be better than Zach. Zach can't hit a target.

But you are right, the Jets are scraping the bottom of the bottom of the barrel. The only great option is Tom Brady and that's just a fact.
 

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The Jets are really in a conundrum regarding next season. If Rodgers says he wants to play, great, but it remains to be seen if he can. If he decides to retire then what do they do with Wilson? And if that defense and can carry them to 8-10 wins, then they'll be looking at a QB in the draft likely other than Williams or Maye. Sanders, Penix, Ewers, Nix?

EDIT: And frankly, it's the similar to the conundrum the Patriots face--needing to figure out Jones and his future.
 

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The backups for three of those teams are Andy Dalton, Davis Mills, Brissette (already discussed). Are we sure Mills or the corpse of Andy Dalton is better than Zach Wilson?

Minshew and Sam Ehrlinger are the Colts' backups, but Anthony Richardson is already hurt, so I doubt Ehrlinger is going anywhere.

John Wolford is on the Rams' practice squad. I think I'd sign him if I were the Jets. He's shown some competence at the NFL level. The rest of the practice squad QBs with NFL experience are uninspiring - Jeff Driskel, Brett Rypien, Ben DiNucci, Jake Fromm, PJ Walker.

Just realized that this guy (Nathan Rourke) is on the Jags' practice squad: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/BKWC3uQc2Q0
I was thinking Keenum with Texans, who they just signed this offseason.

I don't disagree these are all bad options outside of Jacoby and Minshew, but I do think almost everyone on an actual roster named is better than Wilson albeit lower theoretical upside.
 

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Seems like Mills could be better than Zach. Zach can't hit a target.

But you are right, the Jets are scraping the bottom of the bottom of the barrel. The only great option is Tom Brady and that's just a fact.
Admittedly didnt see too much of TB12 last year, but from what I did see (and read about) I dont think Brady is a great option for these jets are their O line issues. He might be the best option, but still not a great option.
 

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Admittedly didnt see too much of TB12 last year, but from what I did see (and read about) I dont think Brady is a great option for these jets are their O line issues. He might be the best option, but still not a great option.
No, it's not a great option. But Brady gets the ball out faster than any QB in the league. It's what he did last year when he had a paper mache. But compared to Mills and Dalton and Minshew, Brady is the best NFL QB option. But not ideal, he's 46 years old.

But I really don't see Brady going to the Jets. Because they are the Jets and he had his number retired by the Pats 4 days ago. The Jets team is SB ready, tho, that defense is real and they have two electric players in Breece and Wilson and a very reliable, rock solid player in Dalvin. It is a perfect team for Brady, who you know is absolutely itching to play.