2023 Jets: Hello Darkness Retreat, My Old Friend

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It’s one thing to get into some internet beef, but the Kimmel thing was way over the line. It’s the kind of thing that can get people hurt in real life.
 
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The Athletic with a dive into the Jets: Aaron Rodgers, Robert Saleh and how the Jets’ season fell apart: ‘Something has to change’ - The Athletic


Saleh and Hackett don't come off great.

To better understand the issues that contributed to another failed Jets season, The Athletic spoke to 30 sources in and around the organization, some of whom were granted anonymity to speak freely about the inner workings of the team without reprisal. Those sources described a team riddled with excuse-making, a paranoid head coach, an ill-equipped offensive coordinator and an organizational tunnel vision on the quarterback that rubbed some teammates wrong.
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It’s not uncommon for team decision-makers to consult star quarterbacks on potential roster additions, but the perception around the league was the Jets went beyond the norm. “Rodgers isn’t the assistant GM,” one AFC general manager said. “Joe Douglas is the assistant GM.”
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Saleh, as usual, was hands-off on that side of the ball. Rodgers and Hackett’s relationship dynamic is more frat brothers than player/coach, and Rodgers appreciates having the free will to operate the system as he sees fit. Both Rodgers and Hackett call the offense “quarterback friendly,” but as the Jets learned in 2023, that might only apply to one quarterback.

“That’s what Aaron wants” was a common refrain from Hackett as he told coaches what plays he wanted to run during camp. Often, Rodgers would hear Hackett’s play call and want something else, so the entire offense would reset.
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Hackett struggled to adjust the offense to the team’s new reality. Multiple coaches and players described Hackett as lacking in attention to detail. For most of the season, Hackett would meet with offensive line coach/running game coordinator Keith Carter and passing game coordinator Todd Downing during the week but wouldn’t get together with the rest of the offensive staff until the “last minute” of game prep.
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But behind closed doors, the vibes weren’t always positive, especially when Saleh would see negative press reports. He would often bring up how, in his mind, the Giants don’t get as much negative coverage as the Jets, calling it unfair.

In the aftermath of Rodgers’ injury, Saleh bemoaned his bad luck. Throughout his tenure, he has often wondered aloud if he was doomed to the same fate as Vic Fangio
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Privately, the coach pinned many of the team’s offensive issues on Wilson, the line and the receivers and told people getting to eight wins with Wilson at quarterback would be a “miracle.”
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In the days after, an embittered Saleh conducted research. He wanted to see how teams led by the NFL’s best coaches performed when playing without their star quarterback. He found that Bill Belichick, Mike McCarthy, John Harbaugh, Zac Taylor, Mike McDaniel, Kyle Shanahan and Sean McVay all had losing records in those situations — and that Mike Tomlin was the lone exception.

That became Saleh’s battle cry as the Jets’ losses piled up and criticism mounted: What do you expect? We lost Aaron Rodgers.
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Regarding the report that Wilson was reluctant to play:

When Wilson was benched for Boyle ahead of the Week 12 matchup with the Dolphins, he knew his Jets career was over. According to multiple team sources, in their meeting to discuss Wilson’s benching, Saleh told the quarterback he would be inactive for the rest of the season and that the team would try to trade him in the offseason.

But in the days before the Falcons game, Saleh reversed course and told Wilson to start practicing as if he might play again. He did not play against Atlanta, but after the Jets lost, Wilson knew they were considering starting him again. He expressed reluctance about returning to play and said he would politely decline if asked, based on his previous conversation with Saleh and fears of getting injured behind the Jets’ makeshift offensive line.
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The Saleh stuff sounded like typical middle-manager angst.

The Hackett lack of preparedness suggests he is as shitty as coach as Payton said. And it sounds like he is completely protected by Rodgers armor. Not great news for Jets fans.
 
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Making an overpay on a brittle Tyrod Taylor at 2/$18m to backup a getting brittle in his own right 41yo Rodgers, after already seeing Brissett's market come in at $1/$8m, was pretty Jets thing to do. Not that i expected the defacto GM to sign off on anybody better given the unsaid fine print considerations that came with that $35m paycut.

Jameis Winston was the guy this franchise should have went after last year imo, and he just came in at 1/$8.7m. How many weeks into the season does this team get before we talk about a potential need to trade for him again?

Thanks Rodgers.

2025 and the bubble burst can't come fast enough.
 
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This guy really is the world's biggest attention whore, isn't he?

It was pretty funny the way this news shut down talk of the Saquan/Tiki feud on WFAN this afternoon, at least for the time I was listening.
 
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Aaron may be busy this offseason being the VP candidate for RFK Jr.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/rfk-jr-aaron-rodgers-jesse-ventura-running-mate/story?id=108061971

https://sports.yahoo.com/aaron-rodgers-speaking-pretty-continuously-with-robert-f-kennedy-jr-about-potential-vp-run-per-report-220250899.html
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Give points for consistency...accords perfectly with the tweet Ed Hillel posted earlier:
View: https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1744379652498473291?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1744379652498473291%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=
 
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Sandy Hook deniers are the lowest of the low. And Rodgers being one is the least surprising thing ever.
 
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curly2 said:
Sandy Hook deniers are the lowest of the low. And Rodgers being one is the least surprising thing ever.
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I'm not even going to look this up to confirm it, I'm just going to take your word for it and hope he ends his career with two broken femurs.
 
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The scrutiny on Rodgers if he enters the political sphere will be intense -

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/03/13/politics/aaron-rodgers-sandy-hook-conspiracy-theories/index.html
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Hopefully it will be intense from the moment he wakes until the moment he sleeps until the moment he inevitably whines in victimhood and walks away from the game he's likely too hobbled to play well anymore.
I dont believe he was actually hurt. He was too afraid to play and faked it. I read that on the internet.
 
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I'm sure we have no reason to doubt any of this ...

View: https://twitter.com/AaronRodgers12/status/1768318406560760224?s=20


@AaronRodgers12

As I’m on the record saying in the past, what happened in Sandy Hook was an absolute tragedy. I am not and have never been of the opinion that the events did not take place. Again, I hope that we learn from this and other tragedies to identify the signs that will allow us to prevent unnecessary loss of life. My thoughts and prayers continue to remain with the families affected along with the entire Sandy Hook community.
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Van Everyman said:
I'm sure we have no reason to doubt any of this ...

View: https://twitter.com/AaronRodgers12/status/1768318406560760224?s=20


@AaronRodgers12

As I’m on the record saying in the past, what happened in Sandy Hook was an absolute tragedy. I am not and have never been of the opinion that the events did not take place. Again, I hope that we learn from this and other tragedies to identify the signs that will allow us to prevent unnecessary loss of life. My thoughts and prayers continue to remain with the families affected along with the entire Sandy Hook community.
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He actually thinks he would make a good Vice President.
 
Philip Jeff Frye

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He says "I am not and have never been of the opinion that the events did not take place," but the CNN piece claims that he said it was a government job, not that "the events" never happened at all. So what events does he believe took place?

Wasn't his original 2021 Covid vaccine thing also some carefully worded statement that seemed to say the correct thing but really allowed him to get away with saying something else entirely. "I have been immunized" versus "I have been vaccinated" or something like that? Seems like he's trying to get away with the same thing here.
 
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Philip Jeff Frye said:
He says "I am not and have never been of the opinion that the events did not take place," but the CNN piece claims that he said it was a government job, not that "the events" never happened at all. So what events does he believe took place?

Wasn't his original 2021 Covid vaccine thing also some carefully worded statement that seemed to say the correct thing but really allowed him to get away with saying something else entirely. "I have been immunized" versus "I have been vaccinated" or something like that? Seems like he's trying to get away with the same thing here.
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Came to say the same thing. He is a bullshit artist who has regularly told us who he is. At best, he is a moron who was really good at football.

Also, "not being of the opinion that they did not take place" is not how humans talk.
 
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How he'll spin this: I said "not of the opinion the events didn't take place" because I KNOW IT FOR A FACT.
 
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Philip Jeff Frye said:
He says "I am not and have never been of the opinion that the events did not take place," but the CNN piece claims that he said it was a government job, not that "the events" never happened at all. So what events does he believe took place?

Wasn't his original 2021 Covid vaccine thing also some carefully worded statement that seemed to say the correct thing but really allowed him to get away with saying something else entirely. "I have been immunized" versus "I have been vaccinated" or something like that? Seems like he's trying to get away with the same thing here.
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Agreed, and also never says “I never spoke to that reporter at the Kentucky Derrby and certainly never made such vile comments to her.” What a piece of shit this guy continues to be.
 
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Corey Davis coming out of retirement, with a current need for him here at WR, and then signing with Patriots as their "is this really the best we are going to do?" guy just kinda fits in my head on both ends.
 
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joe dokes said:
For the paywalled among us, did the story or the comments parse his (non-denial) "denial" as has been done here?
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There was some of that, with the most bizarre spins on what plain English words might logically imply. The earmark of this so called dialogue was name-calling, slander and accusations of crimes against nature. I’m a little surprised the moderator didn’t shut it down immediately.

(Doesn’t seem to want to copy.)
 
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Guys, perhaps we should just trust his words from after it happened. His position was very clear:

“I hope that we can learn from this and learn from the signs more and not ever have something like this happen and keep this on our minds because these are things that affect all of us directly or indirectly and this needs to be something we learn from,” Rodgers said in a clip that was posted to YouTube by Fox6 News Milwaukee on July 11, 2013.
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Also, it would appear that Rodgers is currently on a psychedelic outing in Central America:

On Wednesday, Pat McAfee shared that Rodgers was in Costa Rica on a trip to use the psychedelic drug ayahuasca this week as news about being a vice presidential candidate broke. Rodgers appeared in a photoshared by Miami Dolphins safety Jordan Poyer on Wednesday via Instagram.
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Van Everyman said:
Guys, perhaps we should just trust his words from after it happened. His position was very clear:


Also, it would appear that Rodgers is currently on a psychedelic outing in Central America:
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I mean, I have no idea why we would take something he said 11 years ago before he embraced right wing conspiracy theory as indicative of what he said more recently. That's the nature of these things, like most of the 9/11 truthers weren't 9/11 truthers in 2001.
 
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I was under the impression that @Van Everyman was pointing out how twisted and illogical the phrasing was. Though maybe I am not on enough Central American psychedelics.

And if I Roetha.... Rothl...Roesa... Big Ben'd this, my apologies.
 
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Over Guapo Grande said:
I was under the impression that @Van Everyman was pointing out how twisted and illogical the phrasing was. Though maybe I am not on enough Central American psychedelics.

And if I Roetha.... Rothl...Roesa... Big Ben'd this, my apologies.
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ah, i missed it, probably because I went to the article and people in the comments were saying "see he totally always thought it was real"
 
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If Joe D can put the rabbit out of the hat to land Tyron Smith in an obviously very competitive market, and maybe snag OBJ on a cheaper 1 year flyer deal, he'll be deserving of a passing grade for his offseason imo
 
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