AFC and NFC Championship game thread

BigSoxFan

Member
SoSH Member
May 31, 2007
47,887
I have no idea how Cincy will keep Burrow clean against this Rams DL. Figure they'll start the SB similar today with a heavy dose of Mixon, hopefully with better success. Chase vs. Ramsey will be a blast to watch. Higgins might be set up for another big day and Boyd will probably be active as the underneath guy, especially with Uzomah injured. Burrow has some saturn nuts so that combined with MacPherson could be meaningful but ultimately I expect the Rams to take this one.
 

BaseballJones

ivanvamp
SoSH Member
Oct 1, 2015
25,437
I still want to see the Patriots 8 straight conference championship game record in tack. That's why I was hoping Buffalo would knock them out last week.
KC isn't going to four more straight AFCCGs. Mahomes is about to get super expensive and someone will pick them off before then one of these years.
 

BaseballJones

ivanvamp
SoSH Member
Oct 1, 2015
25,437
I have no idea how Cincy will keep Burrow clean against this Rams DL. Figure they'll start the SB similar today with a heavy dose of Mixon, hopefully with better success. Chase vs. Ramsey will be a blast to watch. Higgins might be set up for another big day and Boyd will probably be active as the underneath guy, especially with Uzomah injured. Burrow has some saturn nuts so that combined with MacPherson could be meaningful but ultimately I expect the Rams to take this one.
Burrow will take some hits, but the Rams only have 3 sacks in the last 2 games. They can be ferocious, but they can also be slowed. Let's remember, the Rams finished #15 in scoring defense and #17 in yardage defense this year. They allowed 24 or more points eight times this year, and 23 points two more times. So in 10 of their 20 games, they've allowed 23 or more points. They can be really good but they can also be scored upon. The 86 Bears, they ain't.
 

BlackJack

Member
SoSH Member
Oct 11, 2007
3,516
Worth pointing out that only three teams have gone to three straight SB, with the Chiefs losing today….and all are from the AFCE (Dolphins ‘71-‘73, Bills ‘90-‘93, Pats ‘16-‘18).
J-E-T-S are the only AFC east team to never make 3 straight Super Bowls is how I like to reference the stat…
 

BigSoxFan

Member
SoSH Member
May 31, 2007
47,887
Burrow will take some hits, but the Rams only have 3 sacks in the last 2 games. They can be ferocious, but they can also be slowed. Let's remember, the Rams finished #15 in scoring defense and #17 in yardage defense this year. They allowed 24 or more points eight times this year, and 23 points two more times. So in 10 of their 20 games, they've allowed 23 or more points. They can be really good but they can also be scored upon. The 86 Bears, they ain't.
Definitely not counting Cincy out in this one. Burrow made some nice runs today and he'll probably have to do more of that in the SB. There's also a non-zero chance McVay panics in a big moment in the SB.
 

Red Averages

owes you $50
SoSH Member
Apr 20, 2003
9,346
I have no idea how Cincy will keep Burrow clean against this Rams DL. Figure they'll start the SB similar today with a heavy dose of Mixon, hopefully with better success. Chase vs. Ramsey will be a blast to watch. Higgins might be set up for another big day and Boyd will probably be active as the underneath guy, especially with Uzomah injured. Burrow has some saturn nuts so that combined with MacPherson could be meaningful but ultimately I expect the Rams to take this one.
This is exactly where I am. I think Burrow will be under pressure all game, but the Rams aren’t set up to run away with it. 24-13 Rams. Both teams come out nervous and both normally aggressive coaches are a little bit less so given the stage. Either way incredible to see both teams reach this game given where things were a month ago.
 

BigSoxFan

Member
SoSH Member
May 31, 2007
47,887
This is exactly where I am. I think Burrow will be under pressure all game, but the Rams aren’t set up to run away with it. 24-13 Rams. Both teams come out nervous and both normally aggressive coaches are a little bit less so given the stage. Either way incredible to see both teams reach this game given where things were a month ago.
Yup. Given all the permutations of games I would hate (i.e., Chiefs winning, Packers winning, etc.), I absolutely take this matchup. Burrow basically goes to join Mahomes on the media darling stage and Stafford goes to finally get the monkey off his back and completely change the perception of his career, a la Matt Ryan in 2016.
 

Red Averages

owes you $50
SoSH Member
Apr 20, 2003
9,346
Burrow will take some hits, but the Rams only have 3 sacks in the last 2 games. They can be ferocious, but they can also be slowed. Let's remember, the Rams finished #15 in scoring defense and #17 in yardage defense this year. They allowed 24 or more points eight times this year, and 23 points two more times. So in 10 of their 20 games, they've allowed 23 or more points. They can be really good but they can also be scored upon. The 86 Bears, they ain't.
Rams have won 8 of their last 9 games largely becuase of their defense.
 

singaporesoxfan

Well-Known Member
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Jul 21, 2004
11,969
Washington, DC
I might be the only one, but I enjoy the Rams’ approach to roster construction. I find it boring that every other team tries to build through the draft. I like that the Rams are showing that there’s more than one path to success. I also like that good players get paid under the Rams’ method, instead of achieving success by underpaying talent on rookie salaries.
 

BaseballJones

ivanvamp
SoSH Member
Oct 1, 2015
25,437
I might be the only one, but I enjoy the Rams’ approach to roster construction. I find it boring that every other team tries to build through the draft. I like that the Rams are showing that there’s more than one path to success. I also like that good players get paid under the Rams’ method, instead of achieving success by underpaying talent on rookie salaries.
This isn't very sustainable over more than a pretty short period of time though, I wouldn't think.
 

Red Averages

owes you $50
SoSH Member
Apr 20, 2003
9,346
I might be the only one, but I enjoy the Rams’ approach to roster construction. I find it boring that every other team tries to build through the draft. I like that the Rams are showing that there’s more than one path to success. I also like that good players get paid under the Rams’ method, instead of achieving success by underpaying talent on rookie salaries.
You must love the Florida Marlins
 

Mystic Merlin

Member
SoSH Member
Sep 21, 2007
47,834
Hartford, CT
I might be the only one, but I enjoy the Rams’ approach to roster construction. I find it boring that every other team tries to build through the draft. I like that the Rams are showing that there’s more than one path to success. I also like that good players get paid under the Rams’ method, instead of achieving success by underpaying talent on rookie salaries.
How many good teams don’t pay their premium veteran talent?
 

Red Averages

owes you $50
SoSH Member
Apr 20, 2003
9,346
Doesn't change my post at all.
Right. You took a statement no one made (“rams are the ‘86 bears”) and made it into a post. The point was the Rams defense is really good. And the Bengals vulnerability is their OL. Feel free to post stats from Sept to disprove me.
 

BaseballJones

ivanvamp
SoSH Member
Oct 1, 2015
25,437
Right. You took a statement no one made (“rams are the ‘86 bears”) and made it into a post. The point was the Rams defense is really good. And the Bengals vulnerability is their OL. Feel free to post stats from Sept to disprove me.
No, I made the statement that the Rams aren't the 86 Bears. Their defense is good and at times can be very tough. But they've been handled quite a bit this year. We don't have to go back to September to show that. Come on now.

They gave up 27 points and 359 yards to Tampa last week. Two weeks before that they gave up 27 points and 449 yards to San Fran.

I was simply responding to a post that expressed some doubt as to how Cincy would be able to keep Burrow upright in two weeks. I affirmed that he might take a pounding. But also pointed out that the Rams' D isn't this irresistible force or anything like that. They can be had.

I don't know why you think I'm somehow out of line for pointing this out.
 

trekfan55

Well-Known Member
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Oct 29, 2004
11,742
Panama
Yeah, the Niners have found too many ways to make us angry.

As painful as the losses were with Hatbaugh as coach, at least in the Super Bowl and in the NFCCG vs Seattle theyvwere behind, with a chance to win on the final play. Kyle Williams notwithstanding.

Here Shanahan has shown no ability no manage 10:point leads in the 4th quarter twice, and Jimmy G has proven that he is not a championship QB. I mean how many people credit Tent Dilfer with leading the Ravens to a Super Bowl win? Exactly. As much air was drawn out by the Tart drop, those last two drives by Jimmy were stupid. And Shanahan also let about 30 seconds burn off the clock before the 2 minute warning.

Shanahan will probanly get more leash,, and maybe he should. But I’m 100% ready for Jimmy G’s time to end in SF. They spent the draft capital to get Lance, use him. I hope he learned a lot this year because the keys to the car should be his.
 

heavyde050

Member
SoSH Member
Nov 17, 2006
11,259
San Francisco
Yeah, the Niners have found too many ways to make us angry.

As painful as the losses were with Hatbaugh as coach, at least in the Super Bowl and in the NFCCG vs Seattle theyvwere behind, with a chance to win on the final play. Kyle Williams notwithstanding.

Here Shanahan has shown no ability no manage 10:point leads in the 4th quarter twice, and Jimmy G has proven that he is not a championship QB. I mean how many people credit Tent Dilfer with leading the Ravens to a Super Bowl win? Exactly. As much air was drawn out by the Tart drop, those last two drives by Jimmy were stupid. And Shanahan also let about 30 seconds burn off the clock before the 2 minute warning.

Shanahan will probanly get more leash,, and maybe he should. But I’m 100% ready for Jimmy G’s time to end in SF. They spent the draft capital to get Lance, use him. I hope he learned a lot this year because the keys to the car should be his.
I just hope the 49ers can get a 3rd round pick back for Jimmy.
 

ZMart100

Member
SoSH Member
Aug 15, 2008
3,260
KC isn't going to four more straight AFCCGs. Mahomes is about to get super expensive and someone will pick them off before then one of these years.
Maybe Mahomes will be expensive. KC could put off the pain for a few years by continual restructuring. He could play for under $14m cap hit next season and under $21m and $30m the two years following that. Then he gets to $35m+/year, but maybe that won't be so bad in 4 years.
 

Mystic Merlin

Member
SoSH Member
Sep 21, 2007
47,834
Hartford, CT
Yeah, the Niners have found too many ways to make us angry.

As painful as the losses were with Hatbaugh as coach, at least in the Super Bowl and in the NFCCG vs Seattle theyvwere behind, with a chance to win on the final play. Kyle Williams notwithstanding.

Here Shanahan has shown no ability no manage 10:point leads in the 4th quarter twice, and Jimmy G has proven that he is not a championship QB. I mean how many people credit Tent Dilfer with leading the Ravens to a Super Bowl win? Exactly. As much air was drawn out by the Tart drop, those last two drives by Jimmy were stupid. And Shanahan also let about 30 seconds burn off the clock before the 2 minute warning.

Shanahan will probanly get more leash,, and maybe he should. But I’m 100% ready for Jimmy G’s time to end in SF. They spent the draft capital to get Lance, use him. I hope he learned a lot this year because the keys to the car should be his.
I think it would be a huge shocker if Jimmy G is back with the Niners. They open up 25.5M in cap space by trading or cutting him, so unless Lance is an epic dud Jimmy is gone.

I’m not sure how much Jimmy on a 1y/25M deal is worth in terms of draft compensation. How many teams with that kind of cap space want him, and at the cost of a good pick? Can’t imagine that’s a hot market.
 

BigSoxFan

Member
SoSH Member
May 31, 2007
47,887
I think it would be a huge shocker if Jimmy G is back with the Niners. They open up 25.5M in cap space by trading or cutting him, so unless Lance is an epic dud Jimmy is gone.

I’m not sure how much Jimmy on a 1y/25M deal is worth in terms of draft compensation. How many teams with that kind of cap space want him, and at the cost of a good pick? Can’t imagine that’s a hot market.
Yeah, you go all in on Lance in the 2021 draft, you have to give him a real shot and clear the deck, like the Pats did with Mac. If he can't succeed throwing to Deebo, Aiyuk, and Kittle while handing the ball off to Mitchell, Mostert, Sermon, etc., then something is wrong there.
 

E5 Yaz

polka king
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Apr 25, 2002
91,886
Oregon
Tartt was stand-up about the drop

“I feel like I let me brothers down,” Tartt told reporters. “My play was a crucial one that I left on the field.”
He said that when he saw the ball in the air, “I thought, ‘He fucked up. We’re about to win this game.”
Tartt called the situation a “moment of truth,” and he acknowledged that he failed to deliver.
“I didn’t drop a ball in practice all week,” Tartt said. “Caught everything that came my way.
You only get that moment when you get it. . . . When it was in the air, I was like, I’m gonna be that guy. I just didn’t come up with it.”

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/01/30/jaquiski-tartt-potential-interception-was-moment-of-truth-and-i-failed-to-deliver/
 

BigSoxFan

Member
SoSH Member
May 31, 2007
47,887
Tartt was stand-up about the drop

“I feel like I let me brothers down,” Tartt told reporters. “My play was a crucial one that I left on the field.”
He said that when he saw the ball in the air, “I thought, ‘He fucked up. We’re about to win this game.”
Tartt called the situation a “moment of truth,” and he acknowledged that he failed to deliver.
“I didn’t drop a ball in practice all week,” Tartt said. “Caught everything that came my way.
You only get that moment when you get it. . . . When it was in the air, I was like, I’m gonna be that guy. I just didn’t come up with it.”

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/01/30/jaquiski-tartt-potential-interception-was-moment-of-truth-and-i-failed-to-deliver/
9 minutes to go and only cost them 3. He’ll take a disproportionate share of the blame but, man, you just can’t drop that. Reminds me of that Denver safety who botched the Flacco deep ball in 2012 or so. Was far from over even if he does catch it but would have swung the odds quite a bit.
 

E5 Yaz

polka king
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Apr 25, 2002
91,886
Oregon
9 minutes to go and only cost them 3. He’ll take a disproportionate share of the blame but, man, you just can’t drop that. Reminds me of that Denver safety who botched the Flacco deep ball in 2012 or so. Was far from over even if he does catch it but would have swung the odds quite a bit.
On replay, he looks it all the way into his body ... seemingly wanting to cradle the catch ... instead of trusting his hands.
 

Justthetippett

New Member
Aug 9, 2015
2,860
I might be the only one, but I enjoy the Rams’ approach to roster construction. I find it boring that every other team tries to build through the draft. I like that the Rams are showing that there’s more than one path to success. I also like that good players get paid under the Rams’ method, instead of achieving success by underpaying talent on rookie salaries.
Ditto. I don’t think it’s sustainable, and it depends a lot on injury luck, but I like that they are committed to it and trying something different. Their smugness if it works will be insufferable however.
 

BigSoxFan

Member
SoSH Member
May 31, 2007
47,887
On replay, he looks it all the way into his body ... seemingly wanting to cradle the catch ... instead of trusting his hands.
Yup. I think his footing was the culprit. Was basically caught flat footed going back on the ball.
 

Rudy's Curve

Member
SoSH Member
Jul 4, 2006
2,357
Congrats @Rudy's Curve

I feel like the Pats just won. Fuck off Kansas City. Wish you had the 3 at the end of the half now, right?
Just holy fuck. I'm absolutely dead. They just came back from 21-3 at Arrowhead Stadium against the two-time defending AFC Champions. 21-10 at the half without the ball. Had to hold them at the end in regulation. Didn't get the ball in OT. Didn't fucking matter. This is just unfuckingreal. Wow!
 

singaporesoxfan

Well-Known Member
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Jul 21, 2004
11,969
Washington, DC
How many good teams don’t pay their premium veteran talent?
Yes, good teams pay their premium veteran talent; it was rookies I was thinking about. I just don’t like the thinking that the only route to success in the NFL is to underpay premium talented players on rookie contracts, like how people discuss KC’s success being in part due to the fact that Mahomes didn’t cost his team a lot in the past. I like the Rams coming in and being all DGAF about that line of thinking
 

singaporesoxfan

Well-Known Member
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Jul 21, 2004
11,969
Washington, DC
This isn't very sustainable over more than a pretty short period of time though, I wouldn't think.
How sustainable is the usual approach to team building? The Rams have been decently successful for five straight seasons since Sean McVay came in, going to the playoffs 4 of those years and reaching the Super Bowl twice. During that time (2017 onwards) they have had zero first round picks. Sure, it might blow up in a couple of years, but even so have the results been any worse or shorter-lived than the conventional wisdom on how you “should” build a team?
 

coremiller

Member
SoSH Member
Jul 14, 2005
5,949
We certainly have. But the Niners have also had some great victories over that time. Even with the brutal losses, I'd much rather have this than something like the last decade in Detroit or Cleveland or the Jets or a bunch of others.

And if Lance is good, the Niners are set up to compete for the several years with a pretty good core of Deebo, Kittle, Aiyuk, Bosa, Armstead, Warner, etc. They need some better corners and an upgrade at RT but in a conference with no true juggernauts they should be right back in it next year (obv. Lance dependent).
 

nattysez

Member
SoSH Member
Sep 30, 2010
8,881
We certainly have. But the Niners have also had some great victories over that time. Even with the brutal losses, I'd much rather have this than something like the last decade in Detroit or Cleveland or the Jets or a bunch of others.

And if Lance is good, the Niners are set up to compete for the several years with a pretty good core of Deebo, Kittle, Aiyuk, Bosa, Armstead, Warner, etc. They need some better corners and an upgrade at RT but in a conference with no true juggernauts they should be right back in it next year (obv. Lance dependent).
I've lived out here for 20 years, so I follow the Niners pretty closely. I agree with your assessment - if the money freed up by moving on from Jimmy G is used properly and Lance can play, their future is pretty bright.