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"Red Sox acquire Robbie Ross for Anthony Ranaudo" -- @bradfo
"Red Sox acquire Robbie Ross for Anthony Ranaudo" -- @bradfo
vadertime said:That's all you could get for Ranaudo? You should've been able to get more for him, and if not then keep at Pawtucket for depth.
Ross and Breslow seem interchangeable and you already have Breslow. And you still have Britton too if Breslow fails. I don't get it.
vadertime said:That's all you could get for Ranaudo? You should've been able to get more for him, and if not then keep at Pawtucket for depth.
Ross and Breslow seem interchangeable and you already have Breslow. And you still have Britton too if Breslow fails. I don't get it.
He's a two pitch guy who lives up in the zone. His upside is back end starter or decent reliever if his stuff plays up in the pen. Even with Webster and RDLR out the door he was still behind at least Owens, Rodriguez and Barnes, and probably Johnson too.vadertime said:That's all you could get for Ranaudo? You should've been able to get more for him, and if not then keep at Pawtucket for depth.
Ross and Breslow seem interchangeable and you already have Breslow. And you still have Britton too if Breslow fails. I don't get it.
TomRicardo said:
Robbie Ross was a rushed left handed pitcher who is 25 and has several options.
Corsi said:
Tim Britton @TimBritton 3m3 minutes ago
Ross, like Drake Britton, is out of options. Only see one of them in the Opening Day bullpen.
Corsi said:
Tim Britton @TimBritton 3m3 minutes ago
Ross, like Drake Britton, is out of options. Only see one of them in the Opening Day bullpen.
bosockboy said:Koji, Tazawa, Mujica and Varvaro from right.
Ross and Breslow from left.
One spot open.
bosockboy said:Koji, Tazawa, Mujica and Varvaro from right.
Ross and Breslow from left.
One spot open.
Ross career OPS v lefties: .771RIrooter09 said:
Probably Workman as the long man right? I doubt they carry three lefties so I guess that's it for Tommy Layne.
Dan to Theo to Ben said:Whatever team with a top end overpriced starter will be in the selling position come end of July, I really doubt they would want Ross over AR.
AR is 25 too. Isn't there an unwritten rule of thumb you don't trade a starter for a non-lights-out reliever. Especially when you don't have an ace.
I'm not upset over it, but don't really see the potential of the trade.
Jnai said:Ross:
Basic description of 2014 pitches compared to other LHP:
His fourseam fastball has heavy sinking action, is a real worm killer that generates an extreme number of groundballs compared to other pitchers' fourseamers, has less armside movement than typical and has essentially average velo. His slider is much harder than usual and has less than expected depth. His sinker is a real worm killer that generates an extreme number of groundballs compared to other pitchers' sinkers, has slightly above average velo and has some natural sinking action. His curve has little depth and has primarily 12-6 movement. His change generates a high number of swings & misses compared to other pitchers' changeups, is much firmer than usual, results in somewhat more flyballs compared to other pitchers' changeups and has some natural sink to it.
Jed Zeppelin said:He's a two pitch guy who lives up in the zone. His upside is back end starter or decent reliever if his stuff plays up in the pen. Even with Webster and RDLR out the door he was still behind at least Owens, Rodriguez and Barnes, and probably Johnson too.
snowmanny said:Career OPS of RHP vs Ross: .712
LHP vs Ross .771
Edit: But had a normal split last year: .892 v RHB & .766 v LHB
Occam's razor: the Sox brain trust, along with scouts from other teams, have concluded that AR isn't likely to develop into that starter you're referring to.Dan to Theo to Ben said:Whatever team with a top end overpriced starter will be in the selling position come end of July, I really doubt they would want Ross over AR.
AR is 25 too. Isn't there an unwritten rule of thumb you don't trade a starter for a non-lights-out reliever. Especially when you don't have an ace.
I'm not upset over it, but don't really see the potential of the trade.
we really don't know the conclusion of any other teams than the Rangers.P'tucket said:along with scouts from other teams, have concluded that AR isn't likely to develop into that starter you're referring to.
No, but if any other teams out there thought AR was going to be much better, Ben presumably could have acquired more talent for him.Dan to Theo to Ben said:we really don't know the conclusion of any other teams than the Rangers.
Since most good relievers are failed starters, I would have liked to see the Sox try him in the pen but not a huge deal. Unless, of course, he becomes a shutdown reliever. . . .He's a two pitch guy who lives up in the zone. His upside is back end starter or decent reliever if his stuff plays up in the pen. Even with Webster and RDLR out the door he was still behind at least Owens, Rodriguez and Barnes, and probably Johnson too.
value, with any asset, is determined in the actual marketplace, with actual completed transactions, not with presumptions.P'tucket said:No, but if any other teams out there thought AR was going to be much better, Ben presumably could have acquired more talent for him.
Right. But I'm not the one who assumed we traded a "starter" for a "non-lights-out reliever," with the implication being it wasn't such a great idea. Renaudo fetched a good deal less than one might expect for a "starter," which led me to suggest that he's not viewed as such by the Sox or any other team. As you say, the market is the market.Dan to Theo to Ben said:value, with any asset, is determined in the actual marketplace, with actual completed transactions, not with presumptions.
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Dan to Theo to Ben said:Whatever team with a top end overpriced starter will be in the selling position come end of July, I really doubt they would want Ross over AR.
AR is 25 too. Isn't there an unwritten rule of thumb you don't trade a starter for a non-lights-out reliever. Especially when you don't have an ace.
I'm not upset over it, but don't really see the potential of the trade.
I think this take is dead on correct.Red(s)HawksFan said:
I think it's fairly simple. Cherington took a 25-year-old RH pitcher with a low ceiling as a starter (and no useful data as a reliever), limited MLB experience, and two options remaining, and flipped him for a 25-year-old LH pitcher with a low ceiling as a starter, 2+ years of MLB experience as a reasonably effective reliever, and two options remaining. Basically he took a redundant resource and turned it into a slightly different but, given the state of the roster, more useful resource.
http://espn.go.com/boston/mlb/story/_/id/12239101/boston-red-sox-send-anthony-ranaudo-texas-rangers-robbie-rossThe 6-foot-7 Ranaudo is headed to the team he failed to sign with after being drafted out of a New Jersey high school in the 11th round of the 2007 draft.
Ranaudo then went to LSU and was taken by Boston as a supplemental first-round pick in the 2010 draft.
"He is a guy we like, we've liked for a long time," Texas general manager Jon Daniels told The Associated Press in a call from the Dominican Republic. "When this trade came down, we liked the value."