86spike said:Champ had 4 tackles (tied for the most on the team) and held Antonio Gates to 10 yards. He had a fine game.
It was hard to tell, honestly, since San Diego waited 45+ minutes to actually throw the ball more than 5 yards.
86spike said:Champ had 4 tackles (tied for the most on the team) and held Antonio Gates to 10 yards. He had a fine game.
Denver let them hang around with errors:Ed Hillel said:Maybe I'm buying into how well the team has played the last month or so, but I think these are about even teams on a neutral field right now, all things considered. Maybe Denver as high at +1.5. So I'd say 6-6.5 was pretty high, and I think it gets bet down to around 3.5. I think the Pats secondary actually matches up well, and I think Collins really helps with what Thomas can do. Talib is a solid matchup with D. Thomas, Dennard should be able to keep up with Decker fine, though the height difference is an advantage for Denver, and Welker honestly doesn't worry me too much these days. I think I'm more worried about the run than anything, especially since BB may overplay the pass and see what the Denver O Line and Moreno can do. Still, Siliga and Hightower's improvement give me more confidence in that area than when these two met the first time, and our pass rush has also gotten better with Siliga taking up more blockers.
Offensively, I think this offense puts up 30+ on this defense probably more than half the time, and even 40 wouldn't surprise me, depending on what time of game it is in terms of possessions per team. We can talk about how Denver outplayed San Diego, and that's true, but holy shit did San Diego make a TON of mistakes. Dropped INTs, poor clock management, terrible throws, drops, really Godawful playcalling, the offsides-go-round...I'm struggling to figure out how San Diego was even in that game. I don't think Denver punted once, and I would be willing to bet that isn't repeated next week.
I don't know, I like this Pats team right now maybe more than some of you, but I think the past 3 games they have really found their identity. They're also playing with house money and will be considered underdogs heading into the game, so I think they'll come out relaxed and playing their game. I never would have said this 6 weeks ago, but they may be playing the best football in the NFL right now, other than maybe the Niners. And they've got the best man you could possibly ask for preparing them. I like their chances. A lot.
Ferm Sheller said:SD had the dumbest offensive game plan I've seen ever and they still lost by only 7 points.
They also dropped balls that should have been caught, and probably will be next week.86spike said:Denver let them hang around with errors:
Missed a FG: -3 points for Denver
Decker tripped on the KR, then that drive ended with the tip-INT in the end zone: -3 to -7 points for Denver
Decker butter-fingered the Onsides Kick: +3 points for SD
That's a 9 to 13 point swing.
AGAIN: the passing game opened up when Chris Harris went out and the corpse of Quentin Jammer subbed in. Rivers had no open receivers early and took some sacks trying to find them.Ed Hillel said:It was hard to tell, honestly, since San Diego waited 45+ minutes to actually throw the ball more than 5 yards.
86spike said:Denver let them hang around with errors:
Missed a FG: -3 points for Denver
Decker tripped on the KR, then that drive ended with the tip-INT in the end zone: -3 to -7 points for Denver
Decker butter-fingered the Onsides Kick: +3 points for SD
That's a 9 to 13 point swing.
Then there was the SAME 5 stupid SD flags that allowed DEN to convert on almost all of their 3rd downs…. I dont know the last time I saw a team make the same mistake 5 times….. If that was cut in half, the game could also be different I think86spike said:AGAIN: the passing game opened up when Chris Harris went out and the corpse of Quentin Jammer subbed in. Rivers had no open receivers early and took some sacks trying to find them.
86spike said:AGAIN: the passing game opened up when Chris Harris went out and the corpse of Quentin Jammer subbed in. Rivers had no open receivers early and took some sacks trying to find them.
86spike said:AGAIN: the passing game opened up when Chris Harris went out and the corpse of Quentin Jammer subbed in. Rivers had no open receivers early and took some sacks trying to find them.
86spike said:AGAIN: the passing game opened up when Chris Harris went out and the corpse of Quentin Jammer subbed in. Rivers had no open receivers early and took some sacks trying to find them.
The question asked was "how did SD stay in the game playing so sloppily?"Dogman2 said:What about the missed SD FG and their 5 defensive offsides? +10 points to Denver.
86spike said:AGAIN: the passing game opened up when Chris Harris went out and the corpse of Quentin Jammer subbed in. Rivers had no open receivers early and took some sacks trying to find them.
That has been SD's scheme all year. Mike McCoy called boatloads of that when he was OC in Denver too. Not sure why anyone found that surprising. They never divert from the rush first attack.Ed Hillel said:They ran the ball on first down every single first down until the fourth quarter, with the exception of maybe one swing pass, and a number of times on second down as well. They were not playing aggressively at all. When they did throw downfield, they had 3-4 drops and Rivers made some shit throws, too. Brady has torched this defense the last few years, and this is still an excellent offense, even without some of the weapons he's had, and he clearly has the best running attack going now that he's had in a very long time. There's probably 60-75 points scored in this game, with good conditions.
Awesome. He can cover Hooman on Sunday.86spike said:Champ had 4 tackles (tied for the most on the team) and held Antonio Gates to 10 yards. He had a fine game.
It was so bad I don't think there was a game planFerm Sheller said:SD had the dumbest offensive game plan I've seen ever and they still lost by only 7 points.
I hate this kind of analysis because it is almost always the case that it goes both ways, and that certainly happened today. San Diego missed a field goal; they dropped an interception on a drive where Denver ended up scoring a TD;they got a penalty to knock them out of field goal range early in the game; they had a broken coverage that allowed the Broncos to convert on 3rd and 17 late; etc. Just those plays alone are a 13 to 17 point swing, and there were others as well, especially numerous penalties by SD.86spike said:Denver let them hang around with errors:
Missed a FG: -3 points for Denver
Decker tripped on the KR, then that drive ended with the tip-INT in the end zone: -3 to -7 points for Denver
Decker butter-fingered the Onsides Kick: +3 points for SD
That's a 9 to 13 point swing.
Yeah; not sure where that comes fromBigSoxFan said:Sizable advantage at QB?
phragle said:It's no coincidence to me that Hightower and Collins have played well since Siliga got here. It all starts up front and he's getting it done. I'm really happy with his development and even happier that he's signed through next year.
I like the Pats in this one. I think they have an advantage on defense, and a sizable advantage at coach and QB. The only thing that really worries me is seems like Denver gets all the calls at home.
bigsid05 said:
I think the Pats are playing well but this is way too optimistic IMO. Sizeable advantage on D and at QB? Peyton's playoff struggles aside, Brady didn't look like a world-beater yesterday. The secondary is also still a concern after giving up huge bombs to Indy.
if that happens…….Norm Siebern said:I'm thinking there will be a minimum of 3 brutal calls against the Patriots next week. I don't think think the NFL wants the Patriots to play in the Super Bowl (again) over Peyton Manning and the Broncos. This game will have all the sublety of a WWE match where Bill Polian is the guest referee. I'm not saying the Patriots will lose, but to win, they will have to overcome more than the Broncos, Manning, oxygen depletion and the road game. That is a helluva lot to overcome.
So, overcome it.
Norm Siebern said:I'm thinking there will be a minimum of 3 brutal calls against the Patriots next week. I don't think think the NFL wants the Patriots to play in the Super Bowl (again) over Peyton Manning and the Broncos. This game will have all the sublety of a WWE match where Bill Polian is the guest referee. I'm not saying the Patriots will lose, but to win, they will have to overcome more than the Broncos, Manning, oxygen depletion and the road game. That is a helluva lot to overcome.
So, overcome it.
Look I have as much of an issue with NFL officiating as anyone, but do you really believe the league would instruct officials to favor one team over another? If so, I have two comments:Norm Siebern said:I'm thinking there will be a minimum of 3 brutal calls against the Patriots next week. I don't think think the NFL wants the Patriots to play in the Super Bowl (again) over Peyton Manning and the Broncos. This game will have all the sublety of a WWE match where Bill Polian is the guest referee. I'm not saying the Patriots will lose, but to win, they will have to overcome more than the Broncos, Manning, oxygen depletion and the road game. That is a helluva lot to overcome.
So, overcome it.
Norm Siebern said:I'm thinking there will be a minimum of 3 brutal calls against the Patriots next week. I don't think think the NFL wants the Patriots to play in the Super Bowl (again) over Peyton Manning and the Broncos. This game will have all the sublety of a WWE match where Bill Polian is the guest referee. I'm not saying the Patriots will lose, but to win, they will have to overcome more than the Broncos, Manning, oxygen depletion and the road game. That is a helluva lot to overcome.
So, overcome it.
bigsid05 said:
I think the Pats are playing well but this is way too optimistic IMO. Sizeable advantage on D and at QB? Peyton's playoff struggles aside, Brady didn't look like a world-beater yesterday. The secondary is also still a concern after giving up huge bombs to Indy.
Ed Hillel said:He was trolling guys, at least about the QB part. Head coach obviously, and I think it's certainly reasonable to say the Pats are the better D of the two.
good for us if truelambeau said:http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_24898558/chris-harris-broncos-cornerback-undergo-mri-exam-injuries
Chris Harris knee injury "serious"--"almost certain" not to play against Patriots, per Denver Post staff.
Who primarily covered Jimmy Graham in the NO game?RedOctober3829 said:In terms of covering the TE, it's a harder job than on Fleener. It might be insane, but he needs to be the Collins we saw last night again. I don't see anybody else who can cover him. Secondary has it's hands full with the WRs.