Brooklyn Nets 2016-17 (the Year of the Swap)
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He has torn both ACL's and an MCL before the age of 20. Top recruit Ray Smith just torn his for the 3rd time and has announced that he's retiring at age 18!
You can have Giles to me he's undraftable in the high lottery with so many other elite options.
I'm with you here, I want no part of Giles. Guys whose knees are held together with duct tape and baling wire are destined for short NBA careers. Especially big men.
This is trending correctly. 7gm losing streak since beating the lowly Suns. The celts actually scored the fewest pts against them w a paltry 111 in this current stretch.
I want Fultz so bad it hurts.
I want Fultz so bad it hurts.
I'm not advocating using a high lotto pick on Giles but it's too bad his knees are crap because he would be a great fit for what we need. I still remain hopeful that we can trade the pick for an established all-star caliber vet.
The greater the uncertainty and the closer we get to the pick, the higher the volatility of the value of the pick. I've said this for years on here now......these Brooklyn lottery tickets are virtually untradeable until AFTER that particular years lottery when both sides know the true value of the draft pick. Neither side is going to make a trade without knowing the proper value of that current years pick.......and that only happens until the lottery has established that value.
Future first round picks are traded all the time. Those future picks have no more uncertainty than the Brooklyn picks.
Most have some kind of protection attached, which does add quite a bit of certainty.
Are you referring specifically to the unprotected Brooklyn picks? It sounds like you are speaking of regular future picks which you are correct do carry a fair amount of certainty.....as we know the tight range a team will have their pick in most cases. Brooklyn is much different as that pick will be based on the result of lottery balls while carrying huge volatility from being #1, Top-3 or mid-lottery. Nobody is trading these risks as they cannot be properly valued until after the lottery.
It's not likely but I wouldn't rule it out. If the Kings, for instance, are committed to dealing Cousins for whatever reason, they have to take the best possible package. They would know that the Brooklyn picks are both likely to be high lottery picks - whether that ends up at 1 or 5 doesn't really matter if it's the best offer they receive.
I think the hesitation would come more on Boston's end. Unless they're getting a young all-star, Danny has no incentive to trade the pick since 2017 should be a good draft and he's almost guaranteed to get one of the top guys.
I think the hesitation would come more on Boston's end. Unless they're getting a young all-star, Danny has no incentive to trade the pick since 2017 should be a good draft and he's almost guaranteed to get one of the top guys.
This is my point. It takes two parties to agree on the value of a pick that we don't have any clue of its value. That isn't going to happen. Also, there is a massive difference in this being a #1 pick or a #4/5 pick. Being simply a high lottery pick doesn't differentiate this gap.......over the past few drafts that gap could have been Simmons/Bender, Towns/Hezonja, Wiggins/Gordon, Davis/Waiters, etc.
Honestly the list of guys I would trade a top five pick next June for is pretty short and pretty unavailable. It would probably be Anthony Davis, Russell Westbrook, Karl Anthony Townes, Jimmy Butler, and that's probably it.
I'm as big a Boogie fan as you'll find here, but at this point I wouldn't trade a top five pick next year for him. He's officially a short timer now and the risk of him going Full Dwightmare on you are just too high to be worth it.
I'm as big a Boogie fan as you'll find here, but at this point I wouldn't trade a top five pick next year for him. He's officially a short timer now and the risk of him going Full Dwightmare on you are just too high to be worth it.
That's the main issue - the very real possibility (but not certainty) of the pick being #1. If Brooklyn was obviously headed towards just missing a playoff berth, then the pick could be dealt pretty easily with some top 3 protection.
Beyond that, the Celtics aren't really in any position to offer any kind of protection. They could offer an option to swap it for the next Brooklyn pick, but no one knows what that would be worth either. And they have no other potentially comparable draft picks in their stock of "resources".
No, there's a negative chance of them being traded. The first list is of guys that there's a negligible chance of them being available. I guess maybe George might move up to negligible chance if Indiana craps out again.
Townes only made the first list because Minnesota's determined to be Sacramento 2: The Revenge and the ongoing clownshow means that there's an actual negligible chance of trade if a player of equivalent value is to be had (which, frankly, would be 2018 and DeAndre Ayton anyway, so I should probably pull him off this year's list).
Townes only made the first list because Minnesota's determined to be Sacramento 2: The Revenge and the ongoing clownshow means that there's an actual negligible chance of trade if a player of equivalent value is to be had (which, frankly, would be 2018 and DeAndre Ayton anyway, so I should probably pull him off this year's list).
Did Minnesota re-hire Kahn or something? This organization is on the right track. But overall I agree that our Brooklyn picks are too valuable to trade unless for a slam dunk player. I'd probably trade 2017 in a package for Cousins but I understand the argument against it.
No, they hired a coach that might not exactly be the best guy in the world to handle kids and added zero vets with experience winning, while the one they had retired. They may indeed get lucky, but I wouldn't bet on it. They have an immense amount of talent, but no one that understands what it takes to win, which is why they've already blown so many big leads this year.
I prefer that Pouffy play well enough that someone makes an offer for him. The sooner he moves on the faster the losses pile up.Somebody needs to step on Brook Lopez's foot.
Doesn't matter, Nets are proven to be terrible. Won games like this last year too.
Doc blew this one when he let the Nets crawl back into it against his bench. Still a crappy in-game coach.
Doc blew this one when he let the Nets crawl back into it against his bench. Still a crappy in-game coach.
Nets win at least a few home games per year because they are based in a fun city and the road team is hung over.
With so few wins determining seeding EVERY win for the Nets matters a ton. Doc blew this one when he decided that Blake would sit out due to "rest."
Here's a primer: http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/article-1/Intentional-Safety-Was-Even-Better-Than-Super-Bowl-Trick--In-Execution/5a46ceb1-1839-48cb-b809-08368f66b5f1. Bottom line: 1st team All-American from Cinci who wasn't drafted and clawed his way to the NBA while learning how to shoot the 3. Good story. I will root more for him starting in 2019.
Kilpatrick is a lot of fun to watch. He did most of his work last night in isolation, getting blow-by after blow-by. He's got a legitimate repertoire of dribble-moves and is crafty around the basket.
But I'm not worried about that Net's pick. The Nets are still terrible terrible terrible on D.
But I'm not worried about that Net's pick. The Nets are still terrible terrible terrible on D.
The technicals on Doc were fireably awful by Kenny Mauer---a shame that impacts our draft pick!
I sure hope this is investigated by the league and Mauer is suspended/fined. He absolutely overstepped his boundaries and wasn't even involved in the conversation which had already been rectified.
