drleather2001 said:
OK, so much for the notion that he doesn't 100% think he was released because of his activism.
drleather2001 said:
Dirty Sanchez Forever said:
No, I wrote it on purpose. He is just a punter and I'm sure he's painfully aware of that place within the hierarchy of an NFL lockerroom, which has in part driven his desire to be noticed over the years. .
DRYS. Poised for a rebound.OilCanShotTupac said:
Got any stock tips?
ZP1 said:Wow. I lost a lot of respect for Kluwe in that USA Today interview. I wasn't really buying the "this guy is arrogant" commentary that some people were making, but I absolutely believe it now. Guy came off as a completely self righteous entitled asshat in that interview.
johnmd20 said:
He's been coming off like that the entire time. His cause is quite just but his narcissism does seem to shine through in most of what he says. So is he doing it for the cause or is he using the cause to promote himself? It's hard to tell.
Shelterdog said:
I suspect he likes the cause but like a college freshman who's really, really, really into politics for the first time ever he also digs being political and stuff. All of the sudden all these important people are saying nice things about him and he's showing the world he's more than just a meathad punter part of a new cool crew and thinking he's smart because he has the right ideas.
Reverend said:
This isn't a bad description of the arc the quality of many posters take as they become members--solid, get good feedback and quality deteriorates with inflated sense of self, and then calming back down and settling into a better rhythm.
maufman said:I firmly believe Chris Kluwe would still be punting in the NFL if he kept his mouth shut about gay rights. I also believe Tim Tebow would be on a NFL roster if was just another football player who loved Jesus and hadn't done a variety of things -- some intentional, some not -- which drew attention to his religiosity.
JimBoSox9 said:1) Person A says X
2) Person A has negative personality trait Y
3) A logical hypothetical relationship can be constructed between X and Y
4) Therefore, X is untrue
rinse and repeat
DrewDawg said:
So, are you in phase 2 or 3?
I kid, I kid.
mt8thsw9th said:
I think it's slightly offensive to put Kluwe (who believes that people should not be discriminated against because of something they can't change) and Tebow (who believes the world is 6,000 years old) in the same category.
mt8thsw9th said:
I think it's slightly offensive to put Kluwe (who believes that people should not be discriminated against because of something they can't change) and Tebow (who believes the world is 6,000 years old) in the same category.
What exactly makes it more offensive to treat someone badly because of their opinions on the existence or not of improvable omniscient sentient forces than because they say let's not shit on gay people?maufman said:It's quite a bit more offensive to treat someone badly based on their religion than their political views.
Blacken said:What exactly makes it more offensive to treat someone badly because of their opinions on the existence or not of improvable omniscient sentient forces than because they say let's not shit on gay people?
I'm not getting how that makes it more offensive, instead of just legally protected. To me, being fired for saying "don't shit on gay people" is a hell of a lot more offensive. (And I read your posts, I get your stance on the issue, but I don't understand how being mistreated because you're standing up for someone else is less offensive than being mistreated for metaphysical beliefs.)maufman said:Because for better or worse, political beliefs aren't privileged in our society in the same way as one's religious faith. Most of us are expected to keep our politics to ourselves at work. It's illegal to expect someone to do the same with their faith -- and at the risk of going Godwin, there are compelling historic reasons to privilege religious faith in that manner.
In a five-hour meeting Friday with investigators, Halunen said Kluwe identified Walsh and long snapper Cullen Loeffler as witnesses to what Priefer allegedly said numerous times in 2012 special teams meetings involving the punter, kicker and long snapper., and that [director of player personnel Les] Pico was told about it after the fact. Halunen noted that Kluwe told investigators he is willing to take a polygraph test.
Les Pico was allegedly advised of Priefer's conduct in late April/early May of 2013, and did nothing. Halunen therefore claims the Vikings initial comment on the matter on January 2—that "the Vikings were made aware of Chris Kluwe's allegations for the first time today."— was a lie. Vikings owner Zygi Wilf released a statement today, quickly clarifying that ownership was "entirely unaware of Chris Kluwe's allegations prior to the Deadspin article earlier this month.''
Former Vikings punter Chris Kluwe is still considering a lawsuit against the Vikings, who he says cut him in part because he advocated for gay marriage. Kluwe says Vikings special teams coordinator Mike Priefer made homophobic comments and created a hostile environment for him after Kluwe began publicly supporting gay causes. “It would obviously be wrongful termination,”
"At no time during the July 14 meeting (was) Halunen (told) that the Vikings 'would not provide a copy of the report to either Kluwe or the public' as Halunen's press release of this morning states. At the meeting, Halunen agreed to meet with Vikings representatives on Thursday, and that meeting is still scheduled. It is anticipated that issues relating to the investigation will be discussed at that meeting."
Just three weeks ago, Halunen expressed optimism about the report, saying he was told it would be released in "a couple of weeks" and would be about 150 pages long.
"I've never seen a report with 1,600 citations, so I'm sort of interested in seeing how that will look," Halunen told the Pioneer Press. "It was quite a thorough investigation. ... I'm optimistic that the outcome will be favorable (to Kluwe), and I do believe that the Vikings will take responsible action."
MentalDisabldLst said:Kluwe to file employment discrimination suit. (not a ton of new facts for those here, just an ESPN consolidation)
EvilEmpire said:Looks like the Vikings are doing some of what Kluwe wants. What is he referring to with regard to them playing dirty?
Sprowl said:
The Vikings are conceding only as much as they can't defend themselves against. The implication seems to be that the team made private threats to Kluwe (presumably that they would release information compromising to Kluwe), and Kluwe is upping the ante by taking it public.
Seriously. I can't believe he hasn't had someone take away his computer and phone and fax machine and telegraph and campfire and then duct tape his mouth shut just for good measure.EvilEmpire said:I bet Kluwe's lawyer is thrilled too.
I thought that at first, but I don't think he's stupid. I have to think that he hasn't said anything he hasn't had cleared by his counsel.EvilEmpire said:I bet Kluwe's lawyer is thrilled too.
You, on the other hand...Pete Williams said:Chris Kluwe proving once again that he's an attention whore.