It was the stupid start of it all. But without Peter Thiel's money, Hogan's lawsuit would've gone away quietly.I wonder if any of the Defector gang is going to bring any of the blame pie to AJ Daulerio? His stupidity with the Hulk Hogan video is the one that kick started all of this trouble for them and Gawker.
I wonder if any of the Defector gang is going to bring any of the blame pie to AJ Daulerio? His stupidity with the Hulk Hogan video is the one that kick started all of this trouble for them and Gawker.
Why would they ever do that? That would require admitting that they’re like everyone else on earth who makes moral compromises in their working relationships.I wonder if any of the Defector gang is going to bring any of the blame pie to AJ Daulerio? His stupidity with the Hulk Hogan video is the one that kick started all of this trouble for them and Gawker.
This is very true. But like someone said up thread, don't hand a guy a gun who's trying to kill you. Daulerio was absolutely reckless in his stewardship at Deadspin. It made Barstool look like Sports Illustrated circa 1965.It was the stupid start of it all. But without Peter Thiel's money, Hogan's lawsuit would've gone away quietly.
I read Will Leitch's substack every week and every so often he writes about Daulerio and always in glowing terms, never blaming him for the beginning of the end of the most famous thing he ever created. I can't tell whether Leitch is a genuinely good person or is just a terrific actor. I'd have been apoplectic.Never, and I doubt it'll ever happen. Daulerio's been on an image rehab tour the last few years (following a stint in actual rehab). I haven't seen anyone be particularly hard on him, and he even did an interview with Jenn Sterger as part of the tour.
Also very true.Why would they ever do that? That would require admitting that they’re like everyone else on earth who makes moral compromises in their working relationships.
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/maryanngeorgantopoulos/the-biggest-mistake-of-my-life-court-records-detail-the-builI wonder if any of the Defector gang is going to bring any of the blame pie to AJ Daulerio? His stupidity with the Hulk Hogan video is the one that kick started all of this trouble for them and Gawker.
I don't agree with that. Leitch had a pretty good view of what he wanted and I don't think he dipped too much into the frat guy bullshit that Barstool does. Dauliero, probably. But not Leitch.In its early days Deadspin as far from the likes of Barstool as they'd like to think.
But Leitch left and Dauliero promptly wrote articles about Eli Manning being drunk at frat parties.I don't agree with that. Leitch had a pretty good view of what he wanted and I don't think he dipped too much into the frat guy bullshit that Barstool does. Dauliero, probably. But not Leitch.
Which gave it a much bigger profile than it ever had when it was pretty much just Will Leitch's personal blog. It became essential reading during Dauliero's tenure -- not because it made such high quality content, but because it set the conversation. Post-Dauliero is really when the content matured and it became one of the best websites -- full stop -- on the internet. And the writing is of an even higher quality in the Defector era. There's no one else who does what Defector currently does.But Leitch left and Dauliero promptly wrote articles about Eli Manning being drunk at frat parties.
This is a pretty good tell that you haven't actually read Drew Magary in a decade or so.That's definitely true. It was pretty douchey for a long time. Defector mostly keeps away from that stuff but Magary's still very much the same as he ever was
I’d argue the opposite. The funbag and jamboroo are fratty KSK throwbacks, playing the hits to his fans. He still does good work elsewhere but his regular bits haven’t changed.This is a pretty good tell that you haven't actually read Drew Magary in a decade or so.
There are elements of that. But his own bits at the beginning and his responses to letters are often thoughtful and nuanced. He also frequently acknowledges his own shortcomings, a quality in short supply.I’d argue the opposite. The funbag and jamboroo are fratty KSK throwbacks, playing the hits to his fans. He still does good work elsewhere but his regular bits haven’t changed.
Burneko's eulogy / dancing-on-the-grave (linked by SJH) seems to principally blame the Florida jury for buying what Thiel was selling, more than either of its cofounders.It was the stupid start of it all. But without Peter Thiel's money, Hogan's lawsuit would've gone away quietly.
Really? I honestly thought Daulerio was gone by then.I wonder if any of the Defector gang is going to bring any of the blame pie to AJ Daulerio? His stupidity with the Hulk Hogan video is the one that kick started all of this trouble for them and Gawker.
I am almost 100% positive that he did. I may be conflating this with something else, but I think that there were some Deadspin staffers asked him to reconsider and told him not to run it, but he did anyway.Really? I honestly thought Daulerio was gone by then.
You are correct on both counts.I am almost 100% positive that he did. I may be conflating this with something else, but I think that there were some Deadspin staffers asked him to reconsider and told him not to run it, but he did anyway.
He is an idiot.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A._J._Daulerio#cite_note-11On October 4, 2012, Daulerio posted a short clip of Hulk Hogan and Heather Clem, the estranged wife of Todd Alan Clem, having sex.[6] Hogan sent Gawker a cease-and-desist order to take the video down, but site founder Nick Denton refused. Denton cited the First Amendment and argued the accompanying commentary had news value. Judge Pamela Campbell issued an injunction ordering Gawker to take down the clip.[7] In April 2013, Gawker wrote, "A judge told us to take down our Hulk Hogan sex tape post. We won't."[8][9]
Hogan successfully sued Gawker and Daulerio for $115 million. During the trial, the jury was shown a taped deposition where Daulerio said that he would only consider a celebrity sex tape non-newsworthy if the subject was a child under the age of four.[10] He later told the court he was being flippant in his response.[11]
Buried in the rant was this:Burneko's eulogy / dancing-on-the-grave (linked by SJH) seems to principally blame the Florida jury for buying what Thiel was selling, more than either of its cofounders.
It was a pretty good rant, I do have to say. Worthy of a nomination to the player-hater's ball.
Interesting to me because Josh Marshall at Talking Points Memo has had a back and forth this week with some tech-type claiming this is not the case and that he (not Marshall) is succeeding with such advertising (which TPM has dropped in favor of a subscription base; which is also Defector's model.). It was a little deep in the weeds for me, but Marshall did some digging and concluded that the tech-type was not nearly as successful as claimed and had burned through millions (hundreds of?) in VC funding with no sustainable product in place. (I realize this is quite a superficial description, but anything beyond "advertising vs. subscriptions" is pretty much beyond me).The death of programmatic advertising as a sustainable way to fund a media business would have come for the site's profitability eventually in just about any plausible timeline,
Holy crap, TPM is still around? I used to read them, Daily Kos, and some blog called Atrios or Eschaton or something...like 20 years ago. Wow.Interesting to me because Josh Marshall at Talking Points Memo has had a back and forth this week with some tech-type claiming this is not the case and that he (not Marshall) is succeeding with such advertising (which TPM has dropped in favor of a subscription base; which is also Defector's model.). It was a little deep in the weeds for me, but Marshall did some digging and concluded that the tech-type was not nearly as successful as claimed and had burned through millions (hundreds of?) in VC funding with no sustainable product in place. (I realize this is quite a superficial description, but anything beyond "advertising vs. subscriptions" is pretty much beyond me).
Yeah. He's built it into an actual journalism enterprise. There's still plenty of opinion, but a lot of actual reporting. It's far, far, far from a series of half -thoughts/opinions updated 50 times a day.Holy crap, TPM is still around? I used to read them, Daily Kos, and some blog called Atrios or Eschaton or something...like 20 years ago. Wow.
Atrios (the economics guy) is the main guy on Eschaton... he has like one or two other people that are moderator types and occasionally post the open threads/other stuff smaller stuff... and he's still around too, but still in the same format that he was doing 20 years ago.Holy crap, TPM is still around? I used to read them, Daily Kos, and some blog called Atrios or Eschaton or something...like 20 years ago. Wow.
I just went over there and it looks exactly the same as it did in the early GWB years except I have a 4k monitor now so the writing is smaller.Atrios (the economics guy) is the main guy on Eschaton... he has like one or two other people that are moderator types and occasionally post the open threads/other stuff smaller stuff... and he's still around too, but still in the same format that he was doing 20 years ago.